Discussion in 'Narconon' started by The Wrong Guy, Apr 3, 2015.
boy do they need copies of these two pics!
The scribd link to Hambo's 29th suit filing was added to the FNP comments today. It has all the good pictures as attachements if they want them real quick. Also a lot of good stuff about the scam, and claiming to use CBT, which they don't.
Yes, all the Council members and concerned citizens have seen or have a copy of the Bridge image and numerous other dox that were emailed or handed out. Now, to warm up the Council Fax Machines.
Why would they try to open a narconon as Group home, according to the admission standards
B. A group home may not admit an individual if the individual:
(1) Has a primary diagnosis of alcoholism, drug addition, or severe brain damage; or
(2) Shows current violent or antisocial behavior.
I know Tim. He used to be CO/OSA EUS. Use to spend right much time in DC with his SO wife. Is charismatic but hard core OSA all the way thru.
Pictures of the people who died at NN Arrowhead too?
Yeah. The trashing of Clark Carr and Narconon International suggests that Miscavige has put the boot in.
A hard-core OSA goon showing up as an ABLE rep? I doubt he's there to hand out copies of TWTH.
More likely there to make it understood the "religious discrimination" lawsuit card will be played if SBPI/narCONon doesn't get their way.
I'm in the USA now and we'll see who plays the next lawsuit card.
Nope, they've said that NarCONnon is a secular program based on Hubbards writings too often for that to stand.
My point is that's why SBPI, a different front, is the actual purchaser of the property for use by narCONon. In 2009 SBPI changes it's status from "Tax Exempt - Other" to "Tax Exempt - Religious". No idea how they justified the change, but it let them stop filing IRS Form 990's and lets the play the "religious discrimination" card if they don't get their way. They already did it in Florida, fronting for another narCONon, and won.
WFMD 930: Citizens Group Fighting Narconon's Plans For Drug Treatment Center
Which Narconon was that?
I don't think SBPI has been involved in Narconon Spring Hill or Gulf Coast, and they didn't play the religion card in either of those. (Except to keep mention of Scientology out for Spring Hill.)
This is the best argument I've seen so far against adding Trout Run to the historic registry, namely that it would be couter-productive since the point of the registry is historical preservation for the people's enjoyment, but a Narconon would close the location off to the public's use.
The Frederick County Council is considering a proposal to place the Trout Run property on the local registry of historic places. That would clear the way for Narconon to open up its drug treatment facility. But Long says if that happens, it would negate the intent of the historic preservation ordinance. "It's to preserve that piece of history for the education and enjoyment of Frederick County citizens," he says. "Well, if Narconon runs this facility, people won't have access into this property anymore. They won't be able to enjoy it. They won't be able to be educated by it. It really takes it out of the whole system of Frederick County and isolates it."
Plan to Preserve and Use Maryland Site for Scientology-Backed Rehab Angers Locals
By Andrew Siddons, New York Times, May 20, 2015
David Love, who entered a Narconon drug-treatment program in 2008, spoke against the prospect of Narconon turning the property into a group home. Credit Drew Angerer for The New York Times
“Narconon doesn’t treat addiction whatsoever,” said David Love, who, when battling an addiction to prescription pills, entered a Narconon treatment program in Montreal in 2008.
Narconon does not employ doctors or nurses, he said, only former addicts who have gone through the program. They isolate patients from friends and family, he said, by transplanting them to distant cities (Mr. Love moved to Montreal from the west coast of Canada for his treatment). Treatment, he said, consists of quitting drugs cold turkey and studying the writings of L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology.
“Every word that was in the Scientology books was in the Narconon books,” Mr. Love said. “There’s nothing in there about drug addiction.”
When asked, Narconon was open about its use of Scientology’s writings, but it disputed the rest of Mr. Love’s claims. However, dozens of lawsuits filed against Narconon in states such as California, Florida, Georgia, Michigan and Oklahoma contain many similar allegations.
According to one lawsuit, a program in Florida required “students to spend five hours per day for five weeks in a sauna at temperatures between 160 and 180 degrees Fahrenheit.” Some lawsuits claim that generic drug rehabilitation websites, which ostensibly offer multiple options to those seeking treatment, lead people exclusively to Narconon.
The lawsuits almost uniformly state that participants in Narconon treatment, advertised as a secular program, are told to study books about Scientology.
Narconon and church officials say the program respects the religious freedom of its participants. “You do not have to become a member of the religion to do the program,” said Sylvia Stanard, a Scientology spokeswoman.
The lawsuits tend to be settled before they go to trial, said Ryan A. Hamilton, a lawyer from Las Vegas who is involved in multiple lawsuits against Narconon.
“Certainly somebody could come to the conclusion that Narconon does not want to show this program to a jury,” he said.
Edited to add that after posting this:
The New York Times has changed the title of the article to Camp David Neighbors Fight Historic Designation to Keep Out Scientology-Backed Center
This NY Times story will be in newspapers across the USA tomorrow ... email in from NY Times stated earlier today. More news stories about Trout Run expected next week.
WTF is wrong with people?
the vote should not be about it being historic or not, as the decision to let these vampires in.
It should be
"do you want to let this outfit in with unproven quackery methods with a non medical staff come in and potentially harm and or kill people who are from out to state or not? "
Would they allow a restaurant to serve uncooked meats to open?
Damn man, the New York Times???? You are the king of the internet.
Last paragraph of the NYT article:
Request for Assistance re: Scientology Narconon Trout Run Issue
Reporting on people and politics in #FrederickMd@frednewspost.
Frederick, Marylandjenfifield.com/aboutJoined October 2011
Hmm. Send her this, if she hasn't seen them yet:
Category: Police logs
you guys rock
Sent her a note point over to narCONon Reviews. Tons of narCONon info in one place there.
May as well just post this here since it was someone I contacted from Maryland who advised
me on some points. Some of the 'Content Images' will be used in the Montreal lawsuit along
with other pages referred to in the book by Piro. The entire book was used by the Quebec Human Rights Commission.
Narconon Scientology pseudoscience quackery a deadly mixture for patients
The Cult Examiner found contradicting information on page 31 of Narconon Course Book 8 – ‘The Way to Happiness’ that states, “do not take alcohol in excess.” Unlike Narconon, most science-based rehab centers would never teach or instruct patients that it’s ok to drink alcohol in any amount, and especially when the alcoholic or addict is nearing the completion of their treatment and about to go home soon.
This morning, the Cult Examiner contacted a licensed alcohol and drug counselor (LCADC) in Maryland, USA. She went on record, stating: “Abstinence is the goal and is the standard for people wanting to establish a strong sense of personal autonomy without having to resort to alcohol use to cope with feelings and situations of any degree of importance, both positive and negative. No one ever dies of alcohol deprivation.
Moderation Management is another support group that espouses what Narconon suggests here: [do not take alcohol in excess] harm reduction. It is only "reduction" -- the operative word. All it takes is that little addictive voice to say, "just this once …" - which can lead to a full-blown relapse. The endorphin receptors become dormant in abstinence. They do not atrophy.”
^^^I knew someone who was an alchoholic that abstained for 6 years. He went to a picnic where there was 'hard' cidar, and no one told him. One cup, and he was gone on a 3 week binge. narCONon should be shut down just for that one piece of crap in their training.
For sure this ^^^. I know some who didn't make their flight home because of going into an airport Bar
... just for a drink or two before their flight.
Me twiddling thumbs while waiting for the OK to publish something coming from Maryland ... I love
the sauce on this next one and would love to serve a plate of it to Sylvia Stanard and Belotte and DM.
While waiting, I will finish an IRS/COS/NN story being published later today.
Myths obscure Trout Run’s past | The Frederick News-Post
The ramps beside the stone steps were not built for President Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s wheelchair. No president ever slept in the retreat’s stone-walled cabins. The name “Trout Run” was not its first name and likely won’t be its last. The 40-acre site at 12929 Catoctin Hollow Road near Thurmont has been shrouded in more fiction than fact during the past few months it’s spent in the spotlight.
While dozens clamor to weigh in on the County Council’s decision for the site, and a handful of paid representatives work to quash rumors, one voice speaks from decades of experience. “To me, that place was like my own home,” said Louise Barry. She was the caretaker for the property from 1981 until 2012, but she knew it as Little Hunting Creek Lodge.
President Dwight Eisenhower fished there, and his wife, Mamie Eisenhower, stayed at Trout Run. But the president never slept there. A wooden bridge across Little Hunting Creek, built by Barry’s brother-in-law, currently bears a sign with the name “FDR Bridge.” The bridge was built in the 1980s, Barry said — Roosevelt never saw it. As for the ramps built into the stone walkways, Roosevelt never saw them either. They were built for the use of electric and gas golf carts, Barry said.
Howard Haugerud, the owner who sold the site to Narconon’s representatives, put up signs and planted tall tales to increase the property value, Barry said. “It’s all wrong, because it’s not historic in the first place,” she said.
Frederick County Council prepares for vote on Trout Run historic designation | The Frederick News-Post
Frederick County Council members say the vote they are scheduled to make Tuesday isn't about whether to allow the Church of Scientology, or its teachings, to come to Frederick County.
The vote is about whether the 40-acre Trout Run campus in the forest of the Catoctin Mountains, with its rustic lodges and cottages, is so historically significant that it should be listed on the Frederick County Register of Historic Places.
If the council votes to add the property to the register, Narconon will be able to move forward with its plan to open a substance abuse treatment center on the site, off Catoctin Hollow Road near Thurmont. This would upset many members of the community who have been clear that they do not want that to happen, given Narconon's connection to Scientology.
But the council members say that's not what this is about.
The council is set to vote on the topic at 4:30 p.m. Tuesday, but which way the decision will go, or whether the council will actually vote, is up in the air.
Council President Bud Otis said last week it is his hope that the council will make a decision Tuesday. Still, he said at the time that he had a few more questions for county staff.
Considering the record
The council vote is key because Narconon will not be able to operate on the site if it is not listed on the historic register.
The property is zoned in a way that does not allow certain uses. But the county's board of appeals decided in October 2013 that Narconon could operate on the site under a special exception for a "group home" as long as the property is on the historic register.
After holding two meetings on the topic, the Historic Preservation Commission recommended to the council that the site be listed on the register.
The council has held two public meetings on the topic so far, and decided to postpone the vote and close the record at its last meeting, April 21. The council received new information from the applicant that day, so a few members of the council said they wanted more time to review the documents.
M.C. Keegan-Ayer, the council vice president, said she also wanted time to look back at the historic commission's meetings on the topic.
Keegan-Ayer said Thursday she got the information she was seeking about the commission meetings Thursday, and she was planning to look at it that night.
Councilwoman Jessica Fitzwater said last week she planned to meet with Keegan-Ayer to review the information, as she had some questions about the commission meetings as well.
Otis said that he has spent the last month considering the history of the site and its effect on the county.
Councilman Kirby Delauter is the only elected official who declared his stance on the topic in April. He said at the last meeting on the topic that it is pretty clear that the property should be designated historic.
The rest of the council declined to comment about their opinions at this time.
The county gave The Frederick News-Post all testimony the council received on the topic between April 7, the first public hearing, and April 21. It includes the following:
Information the applicant gave to the council April 21, including a response to a resident's comments about the applicant's plans for the site, and a document detailing the state of deterioration of each building on the property.
A letter from a Narconon representative meant to correct the public record on false statements. The letter explained the history of Narconon, why Narconon chose Frederick County, the transparency involved in the process of coming here, the company's plans for the property and the legitimacy of its program.
A letter from the client's historical expert explaining the historical significance of the property.
More than 25 emails, and a few phone calls, from community members and others from across the nation, to the council. Most of them stated they were against either Narconon or the historic designation, but some were in support of the plan.
Scope of the vote
Kai Hagen, a former county commissioner who opposes granting the historical designation, believes the council should be able to consider more than whether the property is historic when voting.
At the last meeting, Michael Chomel, a county attorney, advised the council to make its decision considering only whether the historic commission was correct in recommending the property for the list. If the commission was correct, he said, the council should approve the property for the list.
Chomel read the county ordinance on the topic, which states that the county's elected officials "may designate boundaries" for a property if it is historic in specific ways defined in the ordinance.
"So it's really a limited role of yours in the process," he stated.
Hagen points out the word "may" in the ordinance, stating that word allows leeway, compared with the word "shall."
"Nothing in the law dictates what the County Council is able to consider, or what is a reasonable basis for making their decision," he said.
Council members Jerry Donald, Fitzwater, Keegan-Ayer, Otis and Billy Shreve said last week they will only be considering whether the site is historical when making their vote.
"Trying to bring too many issues into it is just muddying the waters," Fitzwater said.
Shreve said he has been ready to vote on this since April.
"This really simple decision has been clouded by a lot of outside influences, and it has made a mockery of the council," Shreve said.
If the council votes to place Trout Run on the historic register, it will still be months before Narconon can operate on the site.
The applicant will work on county and state approvals concurrently, said Bruce Dean, the attorney representing Narconon. The county still has to approve the site plan, and then the property owner has to go through Historic Preservation Commission approvals of all exterior renovations it has planned.
The earliest date the historic commission could review proposed renovations would be in early July, said Denis Superczynski, a county planner.
Also, the applicant is still working out issues with the septic system on the site with the state, Dean said.
The estimated timeline for renovations is about four to six months, given ideal weather conditions once permits are pulled, said Yvonne Rodgers, Narconon's East U.S. executive director.
"We have done some emergency repairs and look forward to getting the construction started before the elements further deteriorate these beautiful historic structures," she wrote in an email.
Narconon's team of professionals is researching the licensing criteria to operate in the state and is working with Maryland Department of Health and Mental Hygiene on exactly what will be needed for the level of care that Narconon will provide, Rodgers said.
If Narconon is considered by the state as a drug and alcohol treatment program, it will need to get a license from the state. The state defines the treatment programs to include outpatient programs, residential programs, corrections programs and DUI/DWI education programs, according to Christopher Garrett, communications director for the state's Department of Health and Mental Hygiene.
If Narconon is considered recovery housing, there are no regulations that address that term, Garrett said.
Narconon has asked for the state's requirements for licensing, but has not formally submitted an application, Garrett said. It takes the Office of Health Care Quality up to eight months to review the initial application for drug and alcohol treatment programs, he said. This includes reviewing policies and procedures, the program service plan, fire marshal inspections and other documents, and then inspecting the location, Garrett said.
The plan is to have the licensing steps and renovations occur concurrently, Rodgers said.
"It is Narconon's goal to open within four to six months on the site," she wrote.
What makes Narconon a "group home"?
Narconon will be allowed to operate at Trout Run only through a special exception for the zoning of the land, which will be finalized if the site is placed on Frederick County's register of historic properties.
The county's board of appeals found in 2013 that Narconon's use of the property for an alcohol and drug treatment facility could be considered a "group home" and would be acceptable for the site.
The appeals board did not discuss at the time what exactly a group home is.
The county's legal definition states that a group home is "a residence that admits at least 9 but not more than 16 individuals who require specialized living arrangements and provides health services and supervision to those individuals."
Narconon's latest site plan states that there will be 20 people living on the campus: 12 students and eight full-time staff. There will also be eight more employees living off campus, if the site plan is approved.
The board of appeals was willing to allow more residents than that. Narconon stated in its special exception application to the board that up to 23 adults would receive services at the site.
Kai Hagen, a former county commissioner against the historic designation of the property, said the definition of group home in no way includes Narconon's planned use.
In a letter to the council, Bruce Dean, an attorney representing Narconon, stated that the council can't substitute its judgment for the appeals board's judgment, and the council has no jurisdiction over whether the use is appropriate or should be allowed.
The board of appeals decision was not approved, he said.
— Jen Fifield
Source, and open comments:
Contact Kirby Delauter
ASK him and any other people on this council who are considering letting NN in.
Ask Kirby (who by the way is running for Council?) (you have to wonder if the COS promised him anything?)
Ask him if he wants his name on the approval list for letting these vampires in.
Ask Kirby why MD would approve of a treatment center that has no scientific proof of working, is not written in any medical journals about having any success and ask him if he knows their success rates are all lies.
Ask Kirby if he knows that the staff will not be medically trained.
Ask Kirby if another patient suffers physically or worse dies, if he wants that on his head.
Ask Kirby how he feels about the 9 people who died in OK Narconon.
Ask Kirby if he knows that the "victims" at Narconon MD will be from out of state .
Ask Kirby if he knows anything about the teachings of NN and that "victims" will be getting indoctrinated into Scientology and forced to sit in saunas for hours and hours, for days after days and ingest oil and dangerous mega bombs of vitamins that are extremely harmful to people with compromised livers.
Ask Kirby if COS is padding his pockets, because that seems to be the only logical explanation on letting Narconon in. And if he isn't getting his pockets padded, that people will think that they are being padded. This is IMO.
Ask Kirby if he knows that the COS has already delved into anybody on the council committee's personal info and has tried to dig up dirt on them. This is just an educated guess by myself
Ask Kirby want the COS has on him.
Amusing article on Kirby. Looks like Kirby doesn't like freedom of speech!
Posted: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 12:30 am
Frederick News-Post Editorial Board | 140 comments
"Knowing Councilman Kirby Delauter as we do, we weren't surprised that he threatened The Frederick News-Post with a lawsuit because we had, he says — and we're not making this up — been putting Kirby Delauter's name in the paper without Kirby Delauter’s authorization. Attorneys would be called, Kirby Delauter said.
In fact, we spent quite some time laughing about it. Kirby Delauter, an elected official; Kirby Delauter, a public figure? Surely, Kirby Delauter can't be serious? Kirby Delauter’s making a joke, right?"
"Enough. Seriously. What's Kirby Delauter going to do? Sue everyone who's making fun of him on Twitter using the #kirbydelauter hashtag, or on Facebook? Boy, his attorney will be able to retire off that.
Reasonable men (and women) are required to move Frederick County forward. All Kirby Delauter is doing yet again is displaying his inability to control his temper, embarrassing himself, his district, the county and those who voted him into office. If he wants to govern like a taxpayer, he needs to respect the taxpayers whose money provides his paycheck, stop this silly, inflammatory nonsense, and get to work."
From the lawsuit mentioned above:
“Use my name again unauthorized and you'll be paying for an Attorney,” Delauter wrote. “Your rights stop where mine start.”
Delauter did not respond to multiple calls for comment Monday.
Terry Headlee, The News-Post's managing editor, said the newspaper typically does not seek permission or authorization to publish a person's name or reference, except in the case of children.
"Kirby Delauter can certainly decline to comment on any story," Headlee said. "But to threaten to sue a reporter for publishing his name is so ridiculously stupid that I'm speechless. It's just a pointless, misguided attempt to intimidate and bully the press and shows an astonishing lack of understanding of the role of a public servant.”
Lee Palmer Redmond
12 E. Church St.
Frederick, MD 21701
Myths obscure Trout Run's past May 30, 2015, Sylvia Carignan, Frederick News-Post
It looks like West Coast Property Investments is the front's front for SBPI, at least in 2013.
Rehabilitation centre for drug addicts proposed for Mono-Adjala Townline August 1, 2013, Orangeville Citizen
^from that article
"Narconon International has been a nationally recognized charity in the United States since 1972. Formed in 1966, it’s a drug-free social education model aiming for stable, permanent recovery.
“We don’t use substitute drugs. The people who would use our program would not be on medication, they would be people who had stopped all drugs and would be doing basically an educational program,” said Mr. Carr. “People who need medical withdrawal would do it elsewhere before they came to Narconon. You cannot enroll in the Narconon program unless you are medically approved by a proper medical doctor as ready to do this program."
Lying liars that lie
"basically an educational program" = "learn how much Niacin you can jam in your mouth".
And when they can get away with it, their "medical doctor" is a chiropractor or naturopath.
This just arrived via e-mail alert from Narconon Reviews:
Narconon Reviews and Tipping Point under DDoS attack
Written by Ann on May 31, 2015
Yesterday morning, Narconon Reviews and the Reaching for the Tipping Point forum (currently down) fell under what was described by the web host as “a fairly massive DDoS attack”. Both sites reside on different servers with different IP addresses. The IP addresses of both were changed, and the attacks followed to the new IP addresses, thus proving that the sites were indeed the targets, that it wasn’t just happenstance. They subsided yesterday afternoon and evening, but the attacks resumed again this morning.
I believe these attacks may be because of the upcoming Frederick County, Maryland Zoning Board vote on whether to allow Narconon (operating under the front group name, Social Betterment Properties) to occupy and turn Trout Run into another Narconon facility. If you have not read about this latest move, more information can be found here: Kudos to Citizen Action – Efforts to Keep Narconon Out of Maryland. I believe the DDoS attacks are an attempt to keep the citizens and zoning board members from getting the information they need to make their decision.
I just confirmed that Reaching For The Tipping Point is down...
Here are a couple of related Twitter searches:
As of 5:30 PM (PST) both Narconon Reviews and Reaching For The Tipping Point is down.
One heck of a post at #NoNarcononatTroutRun FB page.
"I am the owner of Allied Counseling Group, an alcohol and drug treatment agency in Frederick, operating as a licensed and certified program since 1990.
I am concerned about the applications for site plans and permits for the proposed Narconon program at Trout Run as being touted as a "group home."
I am intimately familiar with the regulations [COMAR] for operating all levels of alcohol and drug treatment programs, and I have questions as to how Narconon and any/all of their affiliates have approached county officials about the exact nature and scope of services that they plan to provide if Trout Run is approved for historic designation in order for Narconon to operate a group home.
COMAR, as it pertains to implementing and operating residential treatment for substance abuse, requires specific language and protocols to be in compliance with the level of care intended to be delivered.
COMAR refers to individuals seeking treatment services as either "patients" or "clients"; however, Narconon refers to these individuals as "students," which is curious, given their informed consent on the site plan to use the terminology and classification of their program as "drug and alcohol rehab" and "treatment."
Inpatient [Level III.1] facilities for substance abuse treatment are NOT "group homes." Although a "group home" does require a license by DHMH to open and to continue operating with oversight by DHMH, there is no provision in COMAR to allow residential, Level III.1, alcohol and drug treatment facilities to be licensed and operate as "group homes."
Narconon advertises and markets their services as being residential "drug and alcohol treatment programs." In order to be approved by Maryland DHMH to operate as such, they must first apply for, and be approved for, a certificate of need.
Otherwise, their only option is to house their residents in the Trout Run cottages as tenants, to whom they would lease monthly sober, or transitional, living quarters. No license is required to operate sober living, or transitional living, homes. I assume that the county will have to approve land use for occupancy of rental units in order for Narconon to operate in such a manner.
If Narconon does provide any type of "alcohol and drug treatment program" services at Trout Run, and if they market and advertise these services by using the words "alcohol and drug treatment program," then COMAR requires that they must attain a LICENSE from DHMH to do so, either as Level III.1 residential (as cited above) OR as a Level II.1 intensive outpatient [IOP] treatment program, with the "tenants" renting the cottages for sober/transitional living attending their treatment sessions in the building designated for clinical services.
Narconon advertises their services as "alcohol and drug treatment." Narconon does not treat psychiatric disorders. But if they operate a group home, I do not believe that their services comply with COMAR requirements for residents requiring a group home for assistance in managing chronic mental illness, e.g. Way Station.
If Narconon decides to change their marketing and advertising to exclude the words "substance abuse", "alcohol and drug", "addiction", "treatment", "detox" and "program," then they can legally offer only "recovery coaching" as a secular organization and charge rent to the residents who lease their cottages on site. Although affiliated with the Church of Scientology, Narconon is not a faith-based program and would not likely qualify as one to offer a "recovery ministry."
Again, my intention here is to explain the regulations pertaining to alcohol and drug treatment programs in Maryland, as well as group homes, neither of which Narconon can operate, even with historic designation, unless they first obtain a certificate of need for a residential facility, and then a license for an alcohol and drug treatment program, or for a group home for psychiatric patients.
Narconon has not yet applied to DHMH for a certificate of need for a residential facility, nor for any license for a treatment program or for a group home. Therefore, the plans and permits being issued appear to me to be premature at best, and overly optimistic and perhaps illegal at worst."
Kristin L. Milne-Glasser, LCADC
Scientology's SBPI Narconon TroutRun Issued Permits Dec-Feb
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