Narconon "intel dump", evidence gathering list

Discussion in 'Narconon' started by tinfoilhatter, Mar 10, 2014.

  1. DeathHamster Member

    Start with the oldest Narconon Chilocco article and work forward.
    FrontCite News Archive

    There's not much deep dirt, but the pattern of delays, derails and appeals until the state ran out of money are instructive.
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  2. rickybobby Member


    In the US, there is very little difference in practice between an MD and a DO or Doctor of Osteopathy. The DOs sit for the boards just like MDs, and legally can practice exactly the same medicine-- including surgery. They have full hospital and prescribing privileges, just like MDs. While their education is slightly different, in reality the vast majority of them practice the exact same allopathic medicine that those with an MD do. They are NOT naturopaths, nor chiropractors. They provide what you would think of as "traditional" medical care indistinguishable from that provided by MDs.
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  3. tinfoilhatter Member

    Hmmm, I am glad i mentioned this now. The 990 i was looking at listed this person as an "outside contractor". If this is a real professional, and not associated with the cult, would they have stayed with the narconon facility? Also, what happened to cause them to bring in a doctor? This was at the oklahoma facility, and the Doctor in question is one Gerald D wootan DO.

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  5. tinfoilhatter Member

    I have to point out that it took me a while to find this 990. I am 80% sure that this is the only facility that has a doctor listed as part of the staff. I say 80% sure because its really easy to look over that section of the pdfs.

    Is Dr wootan part of the cult? If so, then they should not have listed him as an outside contractor.
  6. tinfoilhatter Member

    This thread is only a week old and already its filling up with damning dox, relevant articles, useful information, and its raising some intriguing questions.
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  7. Anonymous Member

    If you examine all those Narconon 990s in the Discussion Thread, you will have bizarre anomalies show up quite frequently.

    It was the "Loan" to Mary Rieser (Georgia Narconon) that first startled me, but you will find NN 990s with family members that run companies brought into the NN game on various levels - providing services and/or renting properties.
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  9. tinfoilhatter Member

    Attached is a screen capture from the "Scientology handbook". According to ex-Scientology sources, this is the origin for the 76% success rate for narconon.

    According to ex-Scientology accounts, the reason behind the narconon 76% success rate is that 20% of the population is "suppressive", and that the other 80% is not. However, narconon believes that the general population would not accept an 80% success rate, so they have changed it to 76% in the hopes of making it more believable.

    If this is correct, then that means that narconon is not a rehab at all, but is Scientology recruitment.

    What gives this allegation merit, is that there is no other metric for narconon to have achieved the 76% success rate.

    The incidents of relapse, violence, and death are significantly higher then other rehabs.

    Please note, that to this date, this is the only explanation for the narconon 76% figure

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  10. DeathHamster Member

    It's always worth checking Clear Body, Clear Mind. Between Hubbard and Root, it's the source of a lot of the myths in the program.
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  11. tinfoilhatter Member

    above link goes to thread documenting a study paid for by narconon that claims positive results from the narconon program.

    However, because narconon paid for the study, the results are questionable. the huge payment $153,052 is also questionable. Group paid was Chestnut global partners llc from bloomington IL.

    This incident occurred in 2007.
  12. tinfoilhatter Member

    some more history on chestnut
    taken from their website:

    2010 ----- Chestnut Global Partners, LLC established a private limited company in Delhi, India known as Chestnut Global Partners Employee Assistance Solutions of India Private Limited.

    2008 ----- Chestnut Global Partners, LLC formed a joint venture with Corporate Health, LLC in Moscow, Russia with Harris, Rothenberg International, Inc. (HRI) and Alexandre Shtoulman of Russia and Baron Konstantin von Vietinghoff-Scheel, Corporate Counselling Services Sarl in Luxembourg.

    2007 ----- Chestnut Global Partners, LLC purchased interest in Solutions Latin America (SLA), a Brazilian Limitada in Sao Paulo, Brazil.

    2006 ----- Chestnut Global Partners, LLC formed a Brazilian limited liability company in Sao Paulo, Brazil, known as Chestnut Global Partners do Brasil, LLC.

    2005 ----- Employee Assistance and Workplace Services became a wholly-owned subsidiary of Chestnut Health Systems and was renamed Chestnut Global Partners, LLC.

    2005 ----- Chestnut Global Partners, LLC formed the equity joint venture Psychcn-Chestnut Global Partners, Inc. in Beijing, China with Psychcn Technology Development Co., Ltd. and Xinyueyinhe Culture Development Co., Ltd.

    2002 ----- Employee Development Associates was renamed Employee Assistance and Workplace Services to better reflect the division's products and services.

    1996 ----- Chestnut, in collaboration with Mental Health Centers of Central Illinois, an affiliate of Springfield Memorial Hospital, created a joint venture limited liability company, Memorial Employee Assistance Services to provide employee assistance services to Springfield area business and industry.

    1980 ----- Employee Development Associates was created as a division of Chestnut Health Systems to offer employee assistance services to employers of Central Illinois.

    Chestnut Health Systems: is ANOTHER REHAB
    Possible cult front?
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  13. tinfoilhatter Member

    Case Manager (Former Employee), Southern region – October 6, 2013
    Pros: great vacation time.
    Cons: poor and non-qualified management. unethical practices. low pay. not concerned with consumers lives, only keeping them happy for their own financial gain.
    Poor supervision from people that claim high values, but are only concerned with their own financial advancement. Low pay for the work that is expected of the employees

    this review was taken from
  14. Anonymous Member

    I don't think so.

    It appears to me to be another one of those corporations that operate as hubs for a broad spectrum of medical services and medical services management.

    From this page:

    Addiction Treatment Services

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    I found no mention of Narconon or any of its re-branded names anywhere on that particular site.

    Also, this listed item eliminates any direct connection to the cult of scientology:

    Screen Shot 2014-03-20 at 7.54.31 AM.png
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  15. tinfoilhatter Member

    So its not a cult front?

    Yet this company received over 150k American to do a study for narconon. However, after looking at what they have acquired overseas, this organization looks very shady.

    The next step is to read the narconon study that they did, and also read other reports for other rehabs that they have done as well. Perhaps they make money off of writing studies for clients?

    It is important to note that former employee ratings mention chest nut to be a non-profit entity as well, the 5 star ratings stink of being paid reviews.

    The damning thing about narconon is every time you find something connected to them, it stinks of being shady.
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  16. Anonymous Member

    It might be shady and as dirty as shit, but it has no visible connection to the cult of $cientology, except for the entry in the NN International 2012 990 about the "outcomes study" allegedly done by "Independent Contractors."

    Where is this "outcomes study" ?

    I found this with Google:

    5.41 minutes of pure propaganda (a waste of your time).

    The $153K may have been charged to organize one or several of these "outcomes" conferences.

    On WWP, we've seen a few "papers" written by cult apologists and sympathizers. These are provided by sketchy people in the academic and/or medical professions.

    It is very possible that Narconon International has a back-room relationship to Administrators (or others) in the Chestnut Factory, but without whistle blowers, all that will stay well out-of-sight.

    Here's a link to search for "narconon outcomes studies" --

    There's a large number of links to prowl through and I'm short on time right now.
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  17. Anonymous Member

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  18. Anonymous Member

    One of the unfortunate unintended consequences of having a "live" Internet - megatons of disinformation.

    This is a recent report on the new, exciting, digital industry and workforce:

    From Slashdot, November 20th, 2013…

    An anonymous reader sends this news from Al-Jazeera:

    "BP has been accused of hiring internet 'trolls' to purposefully attack, harass, and sometimes threaten people who have been critical of how the oil giant has handled its disaster in the Gulf of Mexico.

    The oil firm hired the international PR company Ogilvy & Mather to run the BP America Facebook page during the oil disaster, which released at least 4.9 million barrels of oil into the Gulf in what is to date the single largest environmental disaster in U.S. history.

    The page was meant to encourage interaction with BP, but when people posted comments that were critical of how BP was handling the crisis, they were often attacked, bullied, and sometimes directly threatened. ... BP's 'astroturfing' efforts and use of 'trolls' have been reported as pursuing users' personal information, then tracking and posting IP addresses of users, contacting their employers, threatening to contact family members, and using photos of critics' family members to create false Facebook profiles, and even threatening to affect the potential outcome of individual compensation claims against BP.”

    Be it book reviews for Amazon, customer reviews of any number of 'services,' or "ratings" for global corporations like the Chestnut Factory, a new workforce has taken its place at the consoles. Its "job" is to manufacture lies. It sometimes appears that they are taking lessons from $cientology.
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  19. tinfoilhatter Member

    The sketchy papers are a problem. Unfortunately, as long as they exist and have not been disproved, they can be used in any attempt to legitimize narconon.


    If we have a pattern of them paying for sketchy reports, especially such large amounts of money for them, then that would be very helpful for establishing evidence of fraud.

    On a different note, if we can completely invalidate these reports with factual evidence, and make these invalidations public, then we will be successful in wasting cult funds.
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  20. tinfoilhatter Member

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  22. DeathHamster Member

    UmbraXenuWiki (If it doesn't quickly switch to the wiki, it may be down.)



    I'm still stringing together the categories of categories, but all the articles are there.
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  23. tinfoilhatter Member

    post #502

    Post 502 is a video taken inside an IAS meeting. IAS stands for International association of scientologists. This meeting describes narconons purpose as a recruiting arm for Scientology. this completely counters the claim narconon has about being a rehab. Part of the video details how the narconon staff is supposed to review the credit information of patients to "demonstrate" how they can afford to go up the "bridge"( a term in Scientology for paying for spiritual enlightenment)
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  24. tinfoilhatter Member

    Above article talks about 14 year old teen passing out due to drinking too much energy drinks.

    connection to narconon is due to niacin. Most energy drinks contain large amounts of niacian, article mentions public health official stating that they "have not heard of such a powerful response to caffeine consumption, however there are other things inside the energy drinks too".

    This is a somewhat important connection due to the narconon providing the purif to children in parts of south america, as well as in the states. the teen in the above article suffered kidney failure, which has been linked to over exposure to niacin. While the teen in the above article's condition may not have been solely connected to the niacin exposure, it is still an important concern.

    This also debunks Narconon's claims about detoxification. If niacin was effective at removing drugs from the system, then people drinking energy drinks would never fail drug tests.
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  25. Anonymous Member

    Some shit from the "Independent Scientology" Forum, regarding the "purif rundown" horseshit:

    On making the Scientology Purification Rundown safe and acceptable

    On making the Scientology Purification Rundown safe and acceptable.

    From the Independent Scientology blog Possibly Helpful Advice. Despite the title that will be objectionable to some, the article has some good analysis.

    On making the Purification Rundown safe and acceptable
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  26. Anonymous Member

    Here's a Blogger, Miss Fortune, that does very good work exposing Per Wickstrom's Narconon fraud.

    It's productive to have a Google Alert Set to Narconon for any and all of Miss Fortune's Posts.

    The latest posting (it's quite explosive):

    WHO'S WATCHING THE WATCHERS? Miss Fortune's Exclusive Report Reveals Per Wickstrom's Best Drug Rehabilitation Failed Its Last Annual Inspection; Best Drug Rehabilitation "Never Investigated" An Employee Complaint Alleging "Inappropriate Relationships" Between "Recipient Rights Officer" and Clients.

    Miss Fortune Blog Photo.jpg
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  27. tinfoilhatter Member

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  29. tinfoilhatter Member

    Summary in regards to post number 66.

    Independent invistiagtion done on "best drung rehabilitation" another rehab operated by scientology.:

    This adds validity to the connection between scientology and narconon. This is a different rehabilitation facility, yet despite not being a narconon, it is operated in a similar manner, has the same titles an employee "comand structure", offers the exact same type of "treatment", and also gives money to Scientology. This is a disturbing correlation between Scientology and rehabs, and mirrors the synonon incident of the 70's and 80's.
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  30. Anonymous Member

    Anecdotal, but...
    ... there are several very similar reports around.
  31. tinfoilhatter Member

    Not quite anecdotal when compared with other similar reports from different narconons and other scilon rehabs. It stops being "anecdotal" and starts becoming a pattern. These are the patterns we, and the feds, are looking for.

    Good catch
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  33. tinfoilhatter Member

    1. Narconon -

    2. Scientology -

    The above links are from the rip off report, and list several complaints about narconon and scientology. This helps estabish a connection between business patterns, and demonstrates both a connection and pattern of fraud.
    This site lists several similar complaints about narconon.

    The shear volume of complaints from many different sources is quite disturbing. it shatters the lie that narconon has a 76% success rate. \

    Thanks to Night Owl for pointing out these links.
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  35. Anonymous Member

    An early (2010) but useful WWP thread about debunking narconon:

    Christian Shire is the keyword here:


    Narconon Drug Rehab, It’s Cheap, and Still not Worth the Money

    Scientology affiliated Narconon drug alcohol rehabs offer “alternative” treatment for people struggling with any type of chemical dependency.

    Narconon rehab programs boast a 75% – 85% success rates, and success is defined as sobriety for life. When patients finish a Narconon drug or alcohol rehab, they are said to be cured, and have no need for any continuing participation in aftercare or other therapies that so often endeavor to help recovering addicts maintain sobriety.

    Narconon offers fairly inexpensive treatment, and some facilities will offer 3 to 6 months of drug and alcohol rehabilitation for as little as $10,000 and even the more expensive Narconon rehabs will unlikely charge more than $30,000 for the same duration, which when compared to the treatment costs of competitive and conventional private rehabs, is quite a bargain.

    But there are a number of serious issues with the Narconon methodology of care, and so grave are these reservations that even very low cost treatment may be overpriced.

    Problems with Narconon

    1) They operate all therapies and care based on science that has since been proven wrong, yet they do not change their methods.

    All therapy is based on the philosophies and work of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, and although he was a man of very limited Scientific understanding and background, his work is Scientology Gospel, and remains the internally unchallenged work on which Narconon programs are based.

    2) They won’t give you needed medications.

    Narconon faithful advocate a complete break from drugs of all kind ( the dangers of narconon ) . The mentality is that since drugs have created the addiction and the accompanying problems, the use of more drugs in treatment only worsens the ultimate problems.

    While seemingly rational, this philosophy actually makes little sense, and there are certain drugs very unrelated to drugs of abuse. Their no drug policy actually endangers people in withdrawal from cetain drugs, and needing medications for safety.

    3) They operate as a recruitment ground for Scientology.

    There have been numerous and persistent complaints from Narconon graduates of the indoctrination efforts of Narconon staff upon participants in drug and alcohol rehabs. People at their most vulnerable, while recovering from addiction, are targeted as the next converts to swell the ranks of the Church of Scientology.

    Ask your doctor what he or she thinks of Narconon

    No reputable medical organization endorses the Narconon program of treatment, and some in fact (the AMA) condemn it as unsafe. If you need drug or alcohol treatment, you deserve access to a drug or alcohol rehab that offers you a legitimate chance at sobriety, and one that uses proven and scientific therapies in your care.

    Don’t take a chance with your recovery and even with your life by entrusting your care to any Narconon affiliated organization. Do your homework, ask a trusted doctor, ask around, learn the truth about Narconon, and find a real drug treatment program.

    Christian Shire is an addictions professional writing about all matters pertaining to treatment and recovery. If you need help making a decision about treatment visit Choosehelp to read more.
  36. tinfoilhatter Member

    No reputable medical organization endorses the Narconon program of treatment, and some in fact (the AMA) condemn it as unsafe. If you need drug or alcohol treatment, you deserve access to a drug or alcohol rehab that offers you a legitimate chance at sobriety, and one that uses proven and scientific therapies in your care.

    do we have verification on this? Does the AMA openly say its unsafe? I mean, offical AMA documents?
  37. Anonymous Member

    We gotta search for that kind of thing. Currently, I don't know of a location for it.
  38. tinfoilhatter Member

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  39. fishypants Moderator

    Rechallenge with crystalline niacin after drug-induced hepatitis from sustained-release niacin.

    Yaakov Henkin, Karen C. Johnson, Jere P. Segrest
    JAMA, The Journal of the American Medical Association
    July 11, 1990

    This was published in the Journal of the AMA, which is not the same thing as a statement from the AMA itself. Interesting nontheless.
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