Narconon - Could This Be One : Brenda Herzog

Discussion in 'Narconon' started by Intelligence, Jul 15, 2011.

  1. Anonymous Member

    American University of NLP LOLZ*

    quack quack quack

    NLP practitioners are the perfect fresh meat for Scientology already suckered by woo and snake oil fake healers

    James Aurthur "Death" Ray was heavy into NLP

    For LOLZ google James Aurthur Ray see what hes up to these days
  2. Intelligence Member

    Where do you see yourself going from here?

    It's really amazing how some things can fall into place and substantiate previous allegations and witness statements.
    Some, not seeing what they are being baited into, offer far more in posts and email messages than I ever expected.

    Perhaps some "Valence Auditing" is in order for the confused trolling and "quacking" newbees?

    No wonder at all why L. Ron Hubbard became a boozing drug addict. Even attempting to get one's mind
    around all of his absurd and insane thoughts, writings and behaviour, is enough to drive a researcher/reader
    over the deep end,..., LOL :)

  3. Yeah, a patent is essentially the opposite of a trade secret. If it's patented, you tell everybody but they have to pay you to use it.

    While patents in the medical field are common, the idea of a secret treatment method is kind of anathema. You shouldn't be doing anything to patients outside of a clinical trial unless there is documented evidence that the specific thing you are doing is valid.
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  4. This page has has been disabled since last night, part 1:

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  8. Pique Member

    link still visible for me
    but good job to grab it Harold
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  9. Intelligence Member

    No more messages, posts, or anything from these ^^^^^ "armchair", confused slander lawyers.

    Perhaps they realized the didn't know what the hell they were talking about concerning Libel and Slander?

    I think the only in injury was to their pride and vanity - -

    If they ever file suit against me, they better have deep pockets, with a law firm who has plenty
    of "Printer Toner."

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  10. Xenu Is Lord Member

    What is amazing to me is that he says the Con is drug free. Yeah, to a fault. People can often not get their non related drugs if needed. What the fuck does he think is going on with the human body when he is taking near lethal doses of Niacin? Dugs bad but Niacin good? Also doctors do not automatical put you on meds in most treatment programs, they evaluate each persons needs and then discuss your options. This mentality feeds the turnkey psychiatry industry of death drool these idiot push.

    He might want to read this before endorsing his quackery.

    Pharmacological doses of niacin (1.5 - 6 g per day) occasionally lead to side effects that can include dermatological conditions such as skin flushing and itching, dry skin, and skin rashes including eczema exacerbation and acanthosis nigricans. These symptoms are generally related to niacin's role as the rate limiting cofactor in the histidine decarboxylase enzyme which converts l-histidine into histamine.[citation needed] H1 and H2 receptor mediated histamine is metabolized via a sequence of mono (or di-) amine oxidase and COMT into methylhistamine which is then conjugated through the liver's CYP450 pathways. Persistent flushing and other symptoms may indicate deficiencies in one or more of the cofactors responsible for this enzymatic cascade. Gastrointestinal complaints, such as dyspepsia (indigestion), nausea and liver toxicity fulminant hepatic failure, have also been reported. Side effects ofhyperglycemia, cardiac arrhythmias and "birth defects in experimental animals" have also been reported.[18] The flush lasts for about 15 to 30 minutes, and is sometimes accompanied by a prickly or itching sensation, in particular, in areas covered by clothing. This effect is mediated by prostaglandin and can be blocked by taking 300 mg of aspirin half an hour before taking niacin, or by taking one tablet of ibuprofen per day.
    Although high doses of niacin may elevate blood sugar, thereby worsening diabetes mellitus,[18] recent studies show the actual effect on blood sugar to be only 5–10%. Patients with diabetes who continued to take anti-diabetes drugs containing niacin did not experience major blood glucose changes. Thus looking at the big picture, niacin continues to be recommended as a drug for preventing CVD in patients with diabetes.
    Hyperuricemia is another side effect of taking high-dose niacin, and may exacerbate gout.[23]
    Niacin in doses used to lower cholesterol levels has been associated with birth defects in laboratory animals, with possible consequences for infant development in pregnant women.[18]
    Niacin, particularly the time-release variety, at extremely high doses can cause acute toxic reactions.[24] Extremely high doses of niacin can also cause niacin maculopathy, a thickening of the maculaand retina, which leads to blurred vision and blindness. This maculopathy is reversible after niacin intake ceases.[25]

    Furthermore the cult and Narconon say toxins are stored in the fat and the Purf releases them. Really? Because Niacin does just the opposite!!!!

    Lipid-modifying effects
    Niacin blocks the breakdown of fats in adipose tissue. These fats are used to build very-low-density lipoproteins (VLDL) in the liver, which are precursors of low-density lipoprotein (LDL) or "bad" cholesterol. Because niacin blocks the breakdown of fats, it causes a decrease in free fatty acids in the blood and, as a consequence, decreases the secretion of VLDL and cholesterol by the liver.[11]
    By lowering VLDL levels, niacin also increases the level of high-density lipoprotein (HDL) or "good" cholesterol in blood, and therefore it is sometimes prescribed for people with low HDL, who are also at high risk of a heart attack.[12][13]
    The ARBITER 6-HALTS study, reported at the 2009 annual meeting of the American Heart Association and in the New England Journal of Medicine[14] concluded that, when added tostatins, 2000 mg/day of slow-release niacin was more effective than ezetimibe (Zetia) in reducing carotid intima-media thickness, a marker of atherosclerosis.[15] Additionally, a recent meta-analysis covering 11 randomized controlled clinical trials found positive effects of niacin alone or in combination on all cardiovascular events and on atherosclerosis evolution.[16]
    However, a 2011 study (AIM-HIGH) was halted early because patients showed no decrease in cardiovascular events, but did experience an increase in the risk of stroke. These patients already had LDL levels well-controlled by a statin drug, and the aim of the study was to evaluate slow-release niacin (2000 mg per day) to see if raising HDL levels had an additional positive effect on risk. In this study, it did not have such an effect, and appeared to increase stroke risk.[17] The role of niacin in patients whose LDL is not well-controlled (as in the majority of previous studies with niacin) is still under study and debate. However, it does not seem to offer benefits via raising HDL, in patients already lowering LDL by taking a statin.
  11. Intelligence Member

    This ^^^^^ , they think they can get away with "administering" high, toxic doses
    of Niacin because in most patients, the damage is not seen.

    And this will not continue in Canada unchecked; it is costing tax payers millions. Our Canada
    health care system under our government; all have coverage according to their income.

    Following investigations, one College has already seen how much damage this can cause and
    from a recent expert physicians advice to the College, there are huge issues on the horizon for
    any rehab administering this dangerous regime of toxic Niacin.

    Treating patients in Canada with organ damage is very expensive to our system and prevention
    is the key to eliminating undue tax burdens. Prevention begins with shutting down any "known" health hazzard:)

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  12. xenubarb Member

    I'm thinkin some rep from a Narconon front group (of a front group) might be feeling a little nervous today.

    I don't blame her.
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  13. The page is working for me now, it is one of those Narconon sites that con people to Naconon progams.

    John Vereecke was trying to promote Turning Point as a Narconon program, I wonder what the circumstances are now that are making Brenda Herzog claim it has no connection to Narconon. Maybe David Love has made the Narconon name so negative they no longer want to admit to it.
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  14. xenubarb Member

    Q: Dear Narconon, you wouldn't treat a client with organ damage, would you?
    A: No, we'd treat them with niacin.

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  15. Intelligence Member

    I don't blame them either - - I would be nervous too, having messed with certain people who are
    not afraid to counter and "EXPOSE>"

    Going to be a wonderful weekend indeed. Will post videos as they are processed:)

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  16. A (cont): Just kidding. We'd give them both.
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  17. Anonymous Member

    Just noticed a youtube comment, we now have names to look up:
    "The sauna and vitamin protocol are based on the research of Dr. Linus Pauling and Dr. Abram Hoffer"
  18. Anonymous Member

    I LOVE my advisors, monitors, and editors who catch me on possible mistakes.

    I Canada, ALL have the same access medical treatments and care coverage
  19. Intelligence Member

    WTF!!! The edit button is GONE?

    All Canadians have access to the same medical care regardless of income and pay monthly/yearly
    fees according to and in relation to their income:)

    No edit button - - this is not good for me,..., LOL:)

  20. ^If this is true why is Brenda Herzog referring people to Turning Point? It is a "Narconon based referral business":

    John Vereecke, Turning Point founder:
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  21. Pique Member

    I think because you posted anonymously. Take a breath David.
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  22. Anonymous Member

    Heres a place to Start
    The Pauling Blog

    this blog posts Dr. Linus Pauling was aware of Hubbard and possibly Met him and Hubbard was Absolutely aware of who Dr Pauling was and
    studied some of Paulings works

    Dr. Linus Pauling was a doctor Jekel and Mr Hyde He won two Noble Prize awards and was very respected in some circles
    some of his theories have earned him the quack label

    Hubbard Came up with the Nician and vitamin drug bombs long after Dr. Linus Pauling and Dr. Abram Hoffer were proponents of it.

    Hubbard had a propensity to plagiarize others ideas and take credit for them, it may be a case here

    protip google Abram Hoffer +Niacin

    some other search terms to possibly dig into are
    Linus Pauling + L Ron Hubbard
    Dr. Abram Hoffer + L Ron Hubbard

    some thing I found on a quick serch

    I don't have alot of time to dig.' today

    but maybe someone can pick up the ball and see whats out there
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  23. Anonymous Member

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  24. Looks like they are both proponents of "megavitamin theory", though they seemed to focus on things other than addiction and the general consensus was that their claims were not substantiated by the evidence.
  25. Anonymous Member

    Linus Pauling may have speculated about vitamin cures, but he was a first rate scientist and a founder of quantum theory. Given evidence that he was mistaken he would have immediately admitted that he had been mistaken.

    That's why science trumps religion when it comes to knowing things.

    Science: gather evidence, develop a theory to explain the evidence, test the theory with more evidence, revise or reject the theory, repeat.

    Religion: gather evidence, develop a theory to explain the evidence, never change anything and attack anyone who questions the theory, violently if necessary.
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  26. Anonymous Member

  27. DeathHamster Member

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  28. Yes, sorry. Didn't mean to disparage Pauling in general. On this topic, the consensus was that he was making claims beyond those supported by the evidence.
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  29. Standard Scientology assumptions: any good things in your life are the result of Scientology, any bad things because of SPs, psychs, etc.
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  30. Intelligence Member

    &quot;Holy Mother&quot;! - - You Anons are sure keeping OSA busy with this Thread,..., LOL.

    LOVE it:)


    But for a good cause:
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  31. Anonymous Member

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Dianazene was the name given by L. Ron Hubbard to a vitamin supplement containing iron, Vitamin C, and various B vitamins, including especially large doses of niacin. Hubbard promoted it as a form of protection against radiation poisoning during the 1950s, saying that "Dianazene runs out radiation - or what appears to be radiation. It also proofs a person against radiation in some degree. It also turns on and runs out incipient cancer." [1]

    In 1958, the Food and Drug Administration seized from a company with ties to the Church of Scientology, the Distribution Center Inc., and destroyed, 21,000 Dianazene tablets because they were falsely labelled as a preventative and treatment for radiation sickness.[2][3][4]

    Vitamins continue to play a large role in the Scientology Purification Rundown and the secular version in the Narconon program, where it is similarly claimed that large quantities of niacin and other vitamins, combined with the heat in a sauna, can "purify" the body by allowing it to release toxins stored in cellular tissue and to "run out" or ameliorate prior radiation exposure including sunburn.[5]
    [edit] Ingredients

    A standard dose of Dianazene, according to Hubbard's 1957 book All About Radiation, contained the following ingredients:

    * Vitamin B3 (Niacin): 200 mg
    * Iron (Ferrous gluconate): 10 g
    * Vitamin B1 (Thiamine): 25 mg
    * Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin): 50 mg
    * Vitamin C (Ascorbic acid): 200-500 mg
    * Calcium (Dicalcium phosphate): 15-20 g [1]
    Dianazene - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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  32. grebe Member

    10 grams of iron? Isn't that like, the size of a nail?

    And 20 grams of calcium? Must be a typo.
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  33. Triumph Member

    Hubbard Invented this fancy Pill dispenser

    overdoses were a bit of a problem
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  34. grebe Member

    "Based on the research of..." --we don't do that anymore. Why? Because we have learned that humans are cherry-picking bastards. They see evidence that confirms their ideas and are somehow blind to contradictory evidence. Sometimes the blindness is intentional but usually not.

    Also, file drawer effect.

    You must do a systematic review of *all* the evidence relevant to the hypothesis under discussion. Quite often that is a fucking couple of years of work, just reviewing everything. And you need explicit inclusion and exclusion criteria, so people can double-check and make sure no cherry picking is going on.

    Systematic review + publication + time for the hive mind to double-check = scientific consensus.

    Not a systematic review, but some interesting commentary about the down side of vitamins:
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  35. xenubarb Member

    Shuddup and eat yer nails, you!
  36. Must be a typo. It's supposed to be 10 grams of L.Ron.
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  37. Triumph Member

    NLP stuff Is quackery
    Carly Crutchfield Pals Brent Williams and Dale Beaumont are way into it..

    I'm sure some of you have seen the ads &quot;How to pick up women&quot; or &quot;3 words that drive women crazy&quot; &quot;how to seduce beautiful women&quot; the snake oil they are selling Is NLP Neuro-Linguistic Programming...and do same with &quot;Penis enlargement&quot; adverts *LOL*

    Hypnotize yourself and your &quot;Chopper&quot; will grow 10x through the power of NLP *LOL*
    I've heard the rumor that Cruise and Miscaviage could use some Pecker enhancement

    they pimp NLP as a pseudo-Scientific gobbledygook can fix all your problems

    Barbra Herzog gets her certified training from Steve G Jones....*LOL
    Danny Bonaduce *LOL* lets get a washed up celebutard.screw him up some more with NLP and film it
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  38. NLP seems to be essentially a form of hypnosis. People have been attributing all kinds of magic powers to hypnosis since the days of Mesmer.

    As I understand it, like hypnosis it can be a useful therapeutic tool in some contexts but it isn't a bag of magic beans.
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