Narconon Arrowhead Under Fire

Discussion in 'Narconon' started by Intelligence, Jun 24, 2012.

  1. anon walker Moderator

    There are state senators, then there are United States senators. The former meet in state capitols. The latter are those mutts in Washington.
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  2. anon walker Moderator

    Have you forgotten who we're dealing with? They don't need permission, they are the Authoritahs!
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  3. mama2mudbugs Member

    The next thing your going to say is, "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!"

    Bad Tom joke :D

    I get what your saying but it would seem they would tell me orally and not have such proof standing out there on the front page. I could even see them typing the words of the company but not using the trademark symbols. I could be wrong ... the more I read the dumber they are becoming in my book:eek:
  4. When has trademark stopped them before? Although the bahhh when their 'copyrights' are ignored is one of the reasons this lulzy damn website exists in the first place.
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  5. This guy looks kinda famliar, Thank God, he did not drink the Scientology kool-aid.

    I almost feel sorry for all Scientologists who do and will then justify horrible scams for the greedy cult.

    Dear Scientologist / Narconon worker: Look at all the 'Entheta' and you'll see it's not lies, it was designed to control you and is currently doing so.

    I hope every Scientologist sese the light as this scam is exposed more and more and stop condoning the abuses that they are committing or looking the other way themselves. Wake-UP!

    Very telling vid from 2010, keep on keeping on em, David, Thx........

    Your work continues to help so many abused addicts, their families and countless others who will never go to a Narconon.......
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  6. Older vids investigating the Scientology/ Narconon and Arrowhead connections years ago, very well done........
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  7. BigBeard Member

    Ummm...The National Association of Addiction Treatment Providers (NAATP) doesn't certify or accreditate anything. It's basically a trade association and lobbying group. Some interesting names in the membership list at:

    And there's also this interesting tidbit regarding their lobbying from the 'Membership Benefits' page:

    Makes me start thinking William Kent McGregor had some help in dragging CARF down the rabbit hole.

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  8. Intelligence Member

    OMG, that's an aweful Video of me. OUCH!!! LOL :) - - I was pissed back then and had been Fair-Gamed etc - I'm much more tame now.

    IT WAS FREEZING COLD and I couldn't stand still or feel my feet:)


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  9. Anonymous Member

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  12. Anonymous Member

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  21. patriot75 Member

    Heads up....NN AH is still coming for another visit to the ADA Boys and Girls Club on 8/1/2012!!!!!!! POONS REQUIRED
    Boys and Girls Club of Ada
    (580) 332-3717 no email....I tried to explain the situation but was told that they will handle it in house.
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  22. patriot75 Member

    ^^^^I will start a new thread on this.
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  23. Anonymous Member

    Here is a good laugher: [DOT] html

    Critics of the Narconon Program
    When something is as successful as the Narconon Program, it will undoubtedly draw critics, whether out of competition and jealousy, biggotry or just plain lack of correct information. There are a few websites run by a small number of people that try to post negative information about Narconon and scare people away from getting effective help. The result has been that, over the years, some people have died from substance abuse without getting a chance to go through a program like this. The blood is on the hands of the critics, yet they would of course never admit it.

    Unfortunately, there is no program out there that will always help 100 percent of people get off drugs. Substance abuse is a very insidious personal, familial and societal infliction, and scaring someone away from a program that has a better chance at helping them than traditional mental health practices is actually pure evil. A good question to ask yourself is: Why would someone not support a group of people and organizations that are helping people get off of drugs?

    The Oklahoma Fiasco
    Some of the information on the sites is completely out-dated, such as the public fiasco in Oklahoma around 1990. A few individuals sent alarming and false information to a reporter in Newkirk, OK when it was discovered that Narconon was opening a very large residential rehabilitation center. From there it escalated to the Board of Mental Health being sued by Narconon after not granting them certification, despite passing the inspection. The suit was later dropped when Narconon was accredited by CARF and therefore legally allowed to operate. Obviously it was a very big misunderstanding as to what Narconon actually does accomplish, otherwise the state wouldn't have since granted them licensing and certification to operate successfully over the last 16 years in that state. Proof of this is on the Narconon Certifications page of this website.
    There are also a few letters from disgruntled clients who really wanted to place blame on Narconon. Keep in mind that this is only a very small number of people over the years that have done this, compared to the literally thousands of people who were very satisfied with their rehabilitation program.

    Narconon and Scientology
    Another point of contention is Narconon's connection with the Church of Scientology. While the program was developed by L. Ron Hubbard and uses his research and discoveries in the field of drug rehabilitation, it is not the Church of Scientology. In fact, Narconon Centers are not even allowed to use Scientology religious teachings by the Church itself. If someone wanted to know more about Scientology, then going to a Church or reading a religious text would have to be where it's done. You can read more about that on the Narconon and Scientology page of this site as well. Also, there have been some fears that Narconon is a recruitment tool for Scientology, but the small amount of people who do go on to learn more of Hubbard's developments in comparison to the thousands of people who are helped and returned back to society as a member of their own religion is miniscule. And for those that do become Scientologists, well, they're still returned back to society as a drug-free, contributing member.

    Since critics of Narconon stem from people criticizing other organizations associated with L. Ron Hubbard, Religious Freedom Watch has information about anti-religious hate groups and individuals attacking organizations such as the Church of Scientology. However, what you'll see is that many of these biggots attack some traditional religions as well as ethnic groups. Check it out for yourself who these people really are exposed before you take what they have to say as being fact.

    Traditional Medical/ Mental Health Validity
    Critical websites have talked about Hubbard's research not being in line with traditional medical or mental health practices. Guess what? That's the whole point! Traditional medicine today and mental health services are relying more and more on the use of pharmaceuticals to treat conditions. However, someone can not be considered fully rehabilitated if they're still taking these drugs! While Narconon centers do have medical directors and medical staff, the program does not claim to be a medical center - that's what hospitals and medical detoxes and other medical clinics are for - Narconon is a longer-term, drug-free rehabilitation program.

    Narconon's Measurement of Success
    The published success rates of Narconon have also been attacked and the information from them has been spun into saying something completely different. The fact that Narconon does routine follow-up and graduate aftercare is miles ahead of most programs. A well-known 12-step program in Minnesota proudly boasts on their website that they are one of the only centers that does their own outcome research - and they claim, by their own statistics, that barely over half of their clients remain clean and sober for one year after completing treatment. This is fantastic for most treatment centers that use that model, but Narconon's own outcome research, showing greater than 70 percent of their graduates being drug-free two years after completing is so good that people attack it and don't believe it.

    Most treatment centers wouldn't dare to inspect their actual drug-free success rate, so that fact that Narconon does so in itself is ahead of the field. Additionally, the definition of success is relative. While Narconon considers success as being someone alcohol and drug-free two years after completion of the program, the national standard has actually been set much lower than that.

    The largest national survey of drug rehab results was completed in 1993 and sponsored by the National Institute of Drug Abuse. It was called the Drug Abuse Treatment Outcome Study (DATOS). In this study that covered 96 treatment centers across the country and approximately 10,000 individuals going through treatment, the best results they found for long-term residential treatment were that there was a 67% reduction in WEEKLY DRUG USE for cocaine and only a 54% decline in weekly heavy alcohol consumption at the one-year follow-up mark. This means that even if someone used drugs twice per month on a regular basis it was still counted as a success. Additionally, 60% of the clients in long-term residential programs had previously sought treatment. And for retention, the very best retention rate they could find was that only 65% of clients stayed in treatment for 3 months or longer, and the worst was only 21%, meaning an average was around 45% retention for that length.

    From this data you can see that while there is some success to more traditional programs, their measurements are minimal and pale in comparison to Narconon standards, so of course some envious individuals and groups would try to shoot holes in Narconon follow-up outcomes statistics - simply because they're better.
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  24. Anonymous Member

    tl;dr justifications

    Why do these people always sound like 14 year old girls?
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  28. Anonymous Member

    The pathological (diseased) nature of these NN people is utterly astounding and revolting at the same time. Throwing out that carf crap, they NN are so far ahead of medical science, what a joke. I've quickly breezed some of their so called MD's with sub-par education practicing medical Quakery. JT even admitted his kid had autism, bet you he wishes (that is if his mind still functions) that he had gotten that kid some help. Success rate ex;
    For the click to lead ratio and me only making lke2 20 bucks and these type of businesses profiting 10k plus per sales, I think that they did better than me. Disabling my account would be a mistake, because a lot of people that see this are people that are trying rehab for the 2nd and 3rd time a trust my judgement. I'm one of the top salesman.

    I think that the brainwashing is so successful, if they get you good, your mind is toast. Grad students in the future will be writing thesis papers on this mind-warping cult for decades. ah well
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  29. Xenu Is Lord Member

    The person that signed this document needs to do some explaining
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  30. Intelligence Member

    David Love has no patience for anyone with the ability to help save lives, who simply sit
    on their ass too afraid to do anything? Now I'm not saying this Governor is doing that, but
    I do know she has the CLOUT to do something.

    We're not talking about stopping Genetic Engineering of Vegetables, designing better hip
    relacement joints, etc - - we ARE talking about putting an end to the deaths at this unconcionable
    Scientology Rehab Center, Narconon Arrowhead.

    Trust me when I say the "Hubbard Tech" at Narconon Arrowhead WILL NOT CHANGE OR MODIFY!

    It is a high crime to alter the Tech! So, in effect, there WILL BE ore deaths - - it's just a matter
    of time.

    "Please Governor Mary Fallin - - please do something to stop this suffering of desperate

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  31. patriot75 Member

    "Terri White, commissioner for the Oklahoma Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse
    Services, is a passionate advocate for individuals experiencing mental illness and addiction, and is on the forefront nationally in the advancement of recovery based programs, technological innovations such as telepsychiatry, and the integration of behavioral health care into primary healthcare settings.
    White was named commissioner in May of 2007. She also served as Oklahoma Secretary of Health, for then Governor Brad Henry, from 2009 to 2011. She was the first woman in state history to serve in this capacity.
    Before becoming commissioner of ODMHSAS, she previously held the positions of Deputy Commissioner for Communications and Prevention; Director of Communications and Public Policy; Management Analyst; and, executive director of two ODMHSAS facilities – the Tulsa Center for Behavioral Health Co-Occurring Unit and the Central Oklahoma Community Mental Health Center.
    As Commissioner of the ODMHSAS, White serves as the CEO for one of Oklahoma’s largest state agencies. The ODMHSAS has an annual budget of approximately $300 million, and employs 1,800 Oklahomans in facilities dedicated to the care of individuals with mental illness and addiction, and holds contractual relationships with over 100 private providers in a partnership to expand access to care throughout Oklahoma.
    In 2011, she was inducted into OU’s Anne and Henry Zarrow School of Social Work Hall of Fame. She received both her Master of Social Work and her Bachelor of Arts in Social Work from OU.
    White is a three-time honoree of The Journal Record’s “50 Making a Difference” program and a 2011 inductee into its Circle of Excellence. She is a member of the National Association of State Alcohol and Drug Abuse Directors, the National Association of State Mental Health Program Directors, and a founding member of the For Youth Initiative.
    She and her husband, Scott Reed, have one son, Asher."

    Terri White, M.S.W.
    Oklahoma Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services
    Executive Department
    P.O. Box 53277
    1200 N.E. 13th
    Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
    Phone: (405) 522-3877
    Fax: (405) 522-0637
    E-mail: (page 4)
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  32. JohnnyRUClear Member


    Needs moar TC face shooping. Alternatively, big caption "AUDITING COMPLETE" (flashing, for extra internets) and someone ordering "Cut him loose!"
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  33. Intelligence Member




    August 2, 2012 - David Love compilation video of how and most importantly, WHY he does what he does to help shut down Scientology Rehab centers, Narconon. As David has said on many occasions "It's not a matter of "IF" another patient will die while in Narconon, it's a matter of "WHEN?" Many parents, families and loved ones, are grieving today because the unscientific medical practices at Narconons around the globe are staffed with incompetent caregivers. Patients are dying on a regular basis. Please help stop these horrible deaths. Join the Narconon Arrowhead protest on August 25, 2012. Go to Facebook Narconon Exposed for details.

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  34. Intelligence Member

    I have to help myself remember to enjoy satire and humour when I'm a wee busy - - helps
    feed my "feeling-good" endorphines. I pray and hope that MANY people show up to support
    the Victims of NN AH. I feel so VERY sorry for the Parents - - I could not imagine losing one
    of my children to this Cult?

    I need some good sleep - going to bed SOON:)


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  35. grebe Member

    Everyone who hires a shitty PR firm winds up "passionate" about something and "a leader" or "on the forefront" of another something.

    But you know what? They are gonna change so they can keep their toe in the healthcare door.

    This is what they will do:
    - They won't insist that people stop their prescribed meds, including psych meds.
    - They won't make taking all those vitamins a condition of treatment.
    - Patients won't have to stay in the sauna if they don't feel like it.

    They will, however, continue to tell people that they will get better results from the detox program if they do all the above.
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  36. anon walker Moderator

    Do you remember who we're dealing with?

    They will claim all the above, and then not do it. It's how they roll. And then, something else will happen and all this will blurp up all over again and it will be determined that they were lying about modifying the program after all.
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  37. Intelligence Member

    I'm going to Oklahoma for five days to help and support Colin. This ^^^ is a Link to
    the Oklahoma State Laws/Codes that WILL help close NN AH doors. I will post excerpts
    from my 204 page submission to Canada authorities that helped close NN TR doors.

    The USA and Canada have similar Common Laws that are VERY powerful. The Politicians and Health Authorities do not like to be seen contravening these:)

    Especially once they KNOW or SHOULD HAVE KNOWN.

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  38. Anonymous Member

    Narconon's going down faster than John T in a massage parlor
  39. Anonymous Member

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  40. tigeratbay Member

    Get 'em tiger Love. Kudos and love to you!

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