Discussion in 'Narconon' started by Intelligence, Apr 18, 2012.
P>S> I am straight!
Your sexual orientation is of no consequence to us. Everyone here is a faggot. You however, are a troll. Or someone who is drinking the Scientology koolaid.
My husband lived and loved the sauna. I agree there are bits of this regiment I don't agree with but fir certain types of addicts it works. I do have my concerns about Arrowhead. I will be truthful about what they are...drugs are being brought into the facility. The newest one being the "bath salts". By who? I can only assume by patients who have the liberty of leaving the premises for/during "family visits". And yes as far as the phone calls being eavesdroped on - I believe this is true too. But at Arrowhead it seems like most there are kids forced into rehab by their parents and/or to prolong their obligation to (their) imposed prison sentence. Yet in the end there are some there that need the structure Nn has to offer. I just can't wrap my head around all of the hostility surrounding this rehab. In one way or another every rehab, be it directly or indirectly preaches some sort of "religious" belief. I am truely not trying to downplay anyone's concerns...just very worried that the man I committed my life to gets better.
OKLAHOMA STATE BOARD OF MEDICAL LICENSURE AND SUPERVISION
Lyle Kelsey, C. A. E., Executive Director
P.O. Box 18256
Oklahoma City, OK 73118
(405) 848-6841/ Fax: (405) 848-8240
So if Scientology's Narconon hurts (and kills) others you are not concerned, as long as it seems to work for you?
No DO medical Board actions for Wootan in Oaklahoma
Religion is free. Scientology is neither.
You need to educate yourself about the "religion" behind Narconon. Scientology is a scam and Narconon is one of the ways money is funneled into the Church of Scientology. There is no scientific basis behind the Narconon rehab program - it was made up by science-fiction writer and Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard. It's so-called "detox" sauna and use of unapproved toxic doses of Niacin have been shown to be dangerous.
quote="Anonymous, post: 2126823, member: 10537"]So if Scientology's Narconon hurts (and kills) others you are not concerned, as long as it seems to work for you?
That's cold.[/quote] I am a recovering addict who (by and and on my own) found and have maintained sobriety for nearly 10 years. I am not looking to pick a fight with anyone. But this I can say for sure....when I was young (very young) I drove my mother to a hospital in California. She checked herself into rehab and during her time there a patient passed. That patient who passed was under medical supervision 24/7. That patient had underlying conditions they didn't disclose. I'm not saying, "whatever works for me and f@#k the rest. All I am doing is searching for answers and being bombarded by pissed off angry replies. Such hostility wont further your cause...not with this dame that's for sure. So, please, b4 u start shaking fingers realize I am am simply looking for answers. I am not a Scientologist, I am a mother of 2 looking out for my husbands best interest. Calm down.
The hostility is against a medically dangerous mistreatment which is ineffective and places the paying customers under greater risk than if they'd stayed out while profiting hugely and bloviating to the world at large about how they're saving these poor poor people (for whom, in reality, it has no concern). If narCONon had any concern for its patients, it would have stopped witholding prescription medicine after the first deaths. Instead, they're continuing exactly as L Ron Hubbard told them to, disregarding the deaths (Jocelyne Dorfmann in France was one person who died in 1984 after having her epilepsy medical treatment taken away from her - a lifetime for narCONon to learn but they didn't).
Now, it shouldn't have to be this way and you have been misled. You are certainly entitled to assume that a treatment centre which is certified has the best interests of its customers at heart. I'm sorry to have to be part of the group that tells you that narCONon not only does not have your husband's interests at heart (other than it would like to recruit him into a cult - not a religion, there is a difference) but it is placing him at danger. We're glad he survived the sauna - some people don't.
All I can say is that hopefully your being informed at an early stage will help you down the road. narCONon practises a primitive "cold turkey" withdrawal - that might give you some background information about how to proceed when your husband comes back. The important thing is that he gets better, and that any potential involvement with the $cientology organisation becomes an informed one, not one dominated by the carefully cultivated ignorance in which the $cientologists would like him to remain.
You may or may not be straight, but Anonymous is not your friend.
Seriously, this site has a mix of the sensible and the outrageous (and the $cientological - they show up here to make the site seem hostile, which it sometimes is and sometimes isn't).
The important thing is that this should encourage you to find out more about the criminal organisation known as the "church" of $cientology and their toxic drug "treatment." Never mind what people on the Internet say, go find out what actual health professionals think. We're sorry you have to go through this added burden (well, some of us are), but we didn't place you in that position.
more on Jenks Health team
They list 'general surgery' yet they are family practitioners, so they are doing surgery. This was common especially in rural areas but not any more.
This is interesting- the list of medical insurances Wootan accepts.
Aetna - Choice POS II
Blue Cross and Blue Shield - BlueCard PPO
Cigna - Open Access
Coventry Health Care of OK HMO
First Health PPO
Great West Healthcare PPO
Humana - Choice Care PPO
MultiPlan - PHCS PPO
United HealthCare - Choice Plus POS
United HealthCare - Options PPO
Whats the info on insurance plans that pay for Narconon or is it all just cash?
That's good news.
You seem to be saying that because people sometimes die in rehab, it's not necessarily the fault of the rehab. That's true in general, but that's not what is happening in Scientology's Narconon. Scientology's Narconon is responsible for harming the health of the people who are denied their medication, are forced to take dangerous overdoses of niacin, are forced to submit to Scientology training which is psychologically harmful for people in a vulnerable state of mind, such as someone trying to control an addiction.
I'm glad you are researching. The evidence that Scientology is harmful is freely available. Scientology's Narconon was shut down by health authorities in Quebec for being harmful. The same may happen at Arrowhead. The only people promoting Scientology's Narconon are Scientology and Narconon, because it's a for profit business with the profits ending up in the Scientology corporation's bank accounts.
I can tell you that the Jenks Health team appear to be an independent practitioner group that contracts directly with the carriers you list above. The reason I say this is because some providers will say, "I take Aetna/Cigna/etc" but what that means is that they will take the money from these carriers (on an out-of-network basis) but they do not necessarily CONTRACT with them. Contracting means that you agree to certain reimbursement rates and you have to pass several credentialing steps and you agree to many conditions (including methods of grievance resolution).
Further, these providers accept HMO which means that there's no out-of-network (indemnity) coverage so they are most definitely contracted with the carriers they indicate above.
What is interesting is that this group also takes Medicaid and Medicare, which have even more stringent regulations and avenues for complaint (if we need to do so). Medicaid issues should be handled by the State of OK and Medicare issues should be handled by CMS (the feds). There are many ways to file complaints about these providers if we need it.
So which is it, you are a recovering addict pulling up your own bootstraps, a concerned mother of two who should know something about the actual use of drugs...
Or you are sensationalizing, hopping on the next manufactured horror to gain sympathy for your supposed cause.
If your husband really is in narconon and you really do love him, get him the fuck out and to a real doctor for a liver function panel, toxicology panel and the works. Then get him into a real drug program.
Otherwise, the scent o' clam air freshener is stinking up the room.
AND these 'Bath Salts' are not the Epson-Salts for hot baths, these are dangerous bath salts:
I am reserving my judgement on the Miami thing until toxicology comes in. PCP was notorious in it's day for doing this and many pot smokers encounter a laced joint at least once in their lives.
It's all in the dox. Not saying bath salts are beneficial in any way, but we shouldn't feed batshit hysteria without knowing the facts.
Already illegal in the USA and this was in the Canadian news yesterday:
These ^^^^^ or any drugs inside a Narconon Rehab are not good. NN AH found a variety
just recently during room searches.
Fox 25 OKC will be airing a little piece tonight, but possibly tomorrow. 9pm CST
Do you not understand that the program is dangerous? That withholding medication prescribed to people might have negative affect on their health? That administering vitamins in the dosages they give is dangerous?
That spending hours in a sauna is dangerous?
How is it you can write so much, say so little, and be so clueless all at once? Scientology or not, Narconon's program is flawed, dangerous, and ineffective. The people running it are not trained rehab counselors, they are recently clean substance abusers. What in all of this do you find valuable? L. Ron Hubbard's bullshit? The miracle of niacin? What? Oh..."structure."
I hardly think offering a structured regimen to a recovering addict is any sort of defense for the rest of the utter garbage Narconon is made of.
Bath salts are face-eating good!
Nom, Nom, Nom.
Bottom line is that NN Executives KNOW that NN is NOT any solution to being drug free unless
the victim carries on into the COS and does the NED Drug Rundown.
Their own Dox and Statements are their own worst Enemy
As evidence documents prove, Narconon is nothing more than a recruitment center for the Church of Scientology, to expand its cult practices into the secular community using Scientology coercion and exploitation of vulnerable and very ill patients.
I think I'm gonna make me a protest sign with words to this effect upon.
AND - LOL >> "What kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself." - -- Abraham Lincoln
Another Fox News 25 Follow-Up tonight.
Published on Jun 6, 2012 by Intelligenceplus
June 6, 2012 - Fox News 25 Oklahoma follow-up on the three deaths at Narconon Arrowhead in Oklahoma. Narconon executive director demands that Colin Henderson sign a release so that the Scientology Rehab center can breach patient confidentiality to Fox News 25 without facing legal problems. Colin refused to give his permission for Narconon arrowhead to release his confidential medical information.
I suggest that addiction transference occurs. The patient who was formerly addicted to street or prescription drugs becomes addicted to cigarettes and scientology. I have never seen any sort of regression therapy, like dianetics, cure an addiction.
Naturally, comparing CoS to a skunk is unfair, to the skunk.
I've been at close range with a few skunks, kept calm and we both went on our ways. A skunk mainly uses its weapon as a last resort or in panic. With CoS, it's always their first calculated move.
Yup, and their statements that they don't recruit students into the COS is a farce too, because
they definately DO recruit them to be Staff. To be staff, you must take more specific Scientology Courses
in the Staff Academy where they indoctrinate pure COS doctrines and policy, incuding being Hatted etc.
Then Ahern at NN TR states to CBC TV National that he only knows of five grads who went onto be with
the COS - - then states "but of course we don't follow everyone after they leave."
Then how the ***F_ _K*** do they calculate the 76% success rate??!!! In fact there was NO Grad Officer when I took the Post. So there was NO follow-up whatsoever.
This Certification Committee in Oklahoma needs to dot all their "I's" - cross all their "T's" - - grow
some balls and revoke NN AH cerification. Period! If they don't, when there IS another death, they
could be liable for a hefty law suit against them. They don't "HAVE to KNOW" - the law states in these
types of cases that "They SHOULD Have Known" if they had performed their due diligence to find out
the truth after receiving complaints and evidence.
Oh, so NOW they want a release before breaching patient confidentiality? LOL! (Like that's ever stopped them before?)
speaking of which...
started Narconon Arrowhead coverage roundup similar to your Trois-Rivieres coverage. Now I just have to play catch-up...
Request for wiki contributor to update about the deaths and the current Fox25 reports, including links to all ( provide fox and McAlester News links) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narconon
Look Lady you don't have to believe a word we say about the program... why not consult an expert
this is written by a PROFESSIONAL SCIENTIST... someone who knows a thing or two about how the body works, and how drugs actually effect the human body. Not by some scam trying to sell you detox.
Who are you going to believe? the people trying to sell you something or the scientist with nothing to sell you and a specialty in the field????
You can believe whatever crazy mojo you want.. I never cared about that part of the scam. But when you Claim as a buisness to have a 75% recovery rate you'ld better by God have the FACTS to back it up and these people Don't!!! In fact the statistics that have been compiled on the program show that more of their "students" would recover without any "help" at all. Going cold turkey on your own has a better recovery rate then narCONon.
I have never been one to call someone else's beliefs a cult... People can believe whatever crap they want to it's America that's out right. But you can't target people and LIE to them about what you are doing. You can't say you are one thing and be another... that's NOT ok in my book.
Oh and in case you missed it concerned mother of two...
that link is from a PROFESSOR at CARNAGE-MELLON UNIVERSITY that in itself should impress you and it's hosted on their university server... which means that the university as a whole is liable if it is inaccurate in anyway... and with how sue happy Scientology is... if it was wrong, don't you think they would have sued by now?
Not quite, his area is computer science and he hosts the page on Narconon on the side. AFAIK he has not produced any original research to discredit the claims of Scientology's Narconon, but has nonetheless collected quite a substantial amount of evidence in the form of lawsuits, government reports, scientific reports, etc.
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