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N24 interview with norbert potthoff

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  1. indeedindeed Member

  2. anonimo Member

    Re: N24 interview with norbert potthoff

    This posting contains:
    1) the English translation of the first part of the interview
    2) the German transcript of two thirds of the interview


    In order to gather all the material available I will post the first part of the transcription and its translation. Both were posted in the thread linked to above.


    Translation
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    Transcription
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  4. anonimo Member

    Re: N24 interview with norbert potthoff

    Update:

    First sentence:
    Second part (continues where the transcript from N24 breaking news thread stops):
    Ganz toll!". Und Bestätigung ist das, was einen weitermachen lässt. Und dann ging es ziemlich schnell. Die Veränderung in Gestik, in Sprache fiel dann auch meinen Freunden auf, sie zogen sich zurück...

    Q: Was hat sich da verändert?

    A: Ich muss wohl ein Stück weit fanatisch geworden sein, dass ich jetzt Andere überzeugen wollte... „Schau mal, mir geht’s gut. Ich möchte, dass es dir auch gut geht.“ Das ist also der nächste Effekt, den die Scientologen anstreben, dass man für die Organisation Andere anwirbt. Das ist also deine Pflichtaufgabe. Ich hatte gar nicht gemerkt, dass ich also schon mitten in einer Missionierungsphase sozusagen war, hätte das auch damals strikt geleugnet, wenn das jemand behauptet hätte. Aber es war wohl so. Und die Folge war, dass ich den bürgerlichen Kontakt in Krefeld verlor und als Trotzreaktion bin ich dann ganz in die Gruppe reingegangen.

    Q: Haben Sie dann eine Karriereleiter ein Stück erklommen?

    A: Ich hab meine Karriere als Graphikdesigner, als Werbefachmann dann in der Scientology-Organisation gesucht und auch erst einmal gefunden.

    Q: Und diese Karriere ist dann einmal fachlich, dass man sich fortbildet, aber dann auch geistig oder trainigsmäßig oder wird man Lehrer oder was heißt das „Man macht eine Lehre in Scientology“?

    A: Die Karriere ist: man produziert. Das ist das A und O des scientologischen Systems, dass man effektiv produziert. Ein Schlagwort des Gründers Hubbard als [[?]] „produce, produce, produce“, das ist alles, was zählt. Und...

    Q: Das ist ganz modern für die Wirtschaft.

    A: Natürlich, das ist auch das, was Scientology heute noch in vielen Bereichen attraktiv erscheinen lässt, weil das Wirtschaftssystem ähnlich funktioniert - ich will nicht sagen „gleich“, aber in gewisser Hinsicht ähnlich - und auch in der Wirtschaft die „slow machine“ [[?]], der Mensch als Maschine gesehen wird, als Humankapital, das es auszubeuten und zu nutzen gilt. Also da gibt es fatale Berührungspunkte zwischen moderne Wirtschaft, Kapitalismus und Scientology. Und in meinem Fall war es so, dass ich durch [[?]] meine Fachkenntnisse im Bereich Marketing, Public Relation, Webestratgien, Anwerben neuer Leute, Aufbau neuer Gruppen äußerst erfolgreich war. Und das führte dann zu einer Beförderung im System. Geistige Weiterentwicklung fand natürlich nicht statt, ich wurde nur dressiert, ohne es zu merken.

    Q: Dieses „produce, produce, produce“, was steckt dahinter? Ist der Mensch laut dieser Scientology-Lehre jemand, der nur einer ist, wenn er was geleistet hat? Das wäre ja ganz im Gegensatz zu dem abendländischen Menschenbild, wo wir von Gnade sprechen, der Mensch ist auch etwas wert an sich, er ist auch dann wertvoll, wenn er nicht etwas leisten kann.
    Ist das so, das so, dass dann dort in der Lehre etwas drinsteckt „Du bist nur etwas, wenn du etwas geleistet hast“?

    A: Ich will’s mal an einem Beispiel deutlich machen: die Scientology-Organisation, die sich in Teilen auch „Kirche“ nennt, verweist auf Kirchenthesen. Unter anderem heißt es da „Wir von der Kirche glauben, dass der Mensch grundlegend gut ist“. Das hört sich erstmal schön an. Wenn man aber die Sprache der Scientologen kennt, dann weiß man, das Wort „Kirche“ heißt intern „Technologiezentrum“, „Mensch“ heißt intern „Maschine“, „gut sein“ heißt intern „produktiv sein“. Wenn man also diesen Satz korrekt übersetzt in unser Verstehen, dann heißt es „Wir vom Technologiezentrum glauben, dass der Mensch eine produktive Maschine ist.“ Und nur danach wird er bewertet.
    Das Wort „Ethik“, dass sie in ihrem Titel der Sendung ja haben, hat im scientologischen Denken eine andere Bedeutung. Ethik heißt Produktivsein, und da fängt es an, gefährlich und auch menschenverachtend zu werden.

    Q: Wer nichts produzieren kann, der ist nichts.

    A: Eben. Und wer nicht produziert ist krank, muss ausgesondert werden. Da kommt ein zweiter schlimmer Fall hinzu, dass Menschen, die nicht produzieren, dass man denen nicht hilft, sondern, dass man die praktisch wegwirft. Sie müssen aus eigener Kraft wieder zurückfinden und wenn nicht, dann ist es nicht schade drum.

    Q: Wie haben Sie das erlebt dieses Wegwerfen, wie ging das vor sich?

    A: Mit Freunden innerhalb der Gruppe, die dann plötzlich nicht auftauchten, die auf der Ethikliste auftauchten

    Q: Leistungsliste... [[[?]]]

    A: Die wurden als Unterdrücker, als ganz schlimme Menschen bezeichnet, bis hin zu Hausverbot oder Verfehmung innerhalb der Organisation. Und das nahm dann zunehmend stärkere Formen an, und wenn ein neuer Freund dann plötzlich verschwand, dann begann auch die Nachdenklichkeit Stück für Stück.

    Q: Wenn Sie davon jetzt so erzählen, dass Sie das sieben Jahre ausgehalten haben, wie konnte das sein?

    A: Ja, das habe ich mich anschließend auch gefragt, und das war die harte [[?]] Zeit, mit mir selbst wieder ins Reine zu kommen, denn ich mochte es mir [[?]] überhaupt nicht verzeihen. Obwohl ich aus der Kirche ausgetreten war, war ich doch vom Grundgerüst her ein katholischer Christ und da spielten Begriffe wie Nächstenliebe und Hilfe und Mitgefühl eine entscheidende Rolle und all diese Begriffe waren in Scientology verpönt, sogar verfehmt. Und das waren also ganz schwierige Jahre, mit mir ins Reine zu kommen, warum ich das nicht früher gemerkt habe.

    Q: Was war denn der Auslöser, dass Sie gesagt haben, ich steige aus?

    A: Ja, Auslöser ist ein Prozess, der Druck wird größer. Und der letzten meiner Phase meines Scientology-Lebens geriet dieser Druck in meine unmittelbare Nähe. Meine Frau wurde bedroht und ich sollte gezwunden oder wurde gezwungen, über meine Frau Ethikaussagen zu machen, sprich „Wo versagt sie?“. Und das war das erste Mal, wo ich mich weigerte einen Befehl auszuführen und dann selbst ein Ethikfall wurde. Ich musste für Tage dann Toiletten reinigen, Fenster putzen in Kopenhagen. Und das war das Letzte, was ich getan hätte, meine eigene Frau ans Messer liefern. Und da kam erst richtig klar zum Bewußtsein, die Grenze ist überschritten.

    Q: Wie das dann weitergegangen ist und ob Sie sich heute noch bedroht fühlen, darüber reden wir gleich nach der Pause. Bleiben Sie dran!

    Schön, dass Sie wieder da sind bei N24 Ethik „Um Gottes Willen“. Ich spreche heute mit einem Scienotology-Aussteiger. Herr Potthoff, als Sie dann ausgestiegen waren, Sie hatten gemerkt, meine Frau kann ich nicht verraten. Sie haben selber sich erniedrigen lassen in dieser Phase des Ausstiegs. Wie ging’s dann weiter?

    A: Meine Frau stieg mit mir zusammen aus, aber es dauert nur wenige Wochen bis sie den Lockrufen, auch dem inneren Druck nicht mehr gewachsen war.

    Q: Und dann ist sie wieder zurückgegangen?

    A: Sie war anders als ich abhängig geworden von diesem System, ein Leben außerhalb von Scientology war für sie nicht mehr vorstellbar. Ich hatte zumindest mehrere gute Berufsausbildungen als Graphiker, als Bildhauer, als Fotograf, und hatte dann auch Mut wieder ein bürgerliches Leben zumindest mal in Angriff zu nehmen, aber den Mut hatte sie nicht. Und das waren dann nochmal schlimme Monate, diesen Verlust wegzustecken, denn ich hatte überhaupt keine Chance an sie ranzukommen. Es gab dann einen Trennungsbefehl, der besagt, dass der Kontakt grundsätzlich verboten ist, bis sie ihre Ausbildung - sprich „ihr Auditing“, ihre Indoktrination - abgeschlossen hat. Das ist natürlich dann nie abgeschlossen, also die Ehe war zwangsweise seitens Scientology beendet.
    Es kam dann mit zunehmendem Abstand und auch mit der Klärung „Was hast du falsch gemacht?“ – also die Selbstkasteiung, die dann glücklicherweise wieder mündete in einen tiefen Glauben. Ich bin also in dieser Phase wieder Christ geworden, ein anderer Christ als mit 17 Jahren und ein erwachsener Christ mit viel mehr Sicherheit und Klarheit, was es bedeutet, so zu denken und auch sein Leben auf dieser Basis mit Produktion auf der einen Seite und dem Unendlichen der Gläubigkeit auf der anderen Seite zu einem Ganzen zusammenzufügen.

    Q: Was haben Sie denn am Christsein entdeckt? Was war für Sie dann das Neue, Faszinierende, was sie da gesehen haben?

    A: Etwas Unglaubliches, es gibt Verzeihen. Und die Chance so bei dieser Frau, die Ehebruch begangen hat, wenn sie [[?]] dich nicht verurteilen, dann kann ich das auch nicht, „Geh, und tu’s halt nicht wieder.“. Und das schien mir auch mein Motto zu werden, „Geh in Frieden, bau dir ein neues Leben auf und tu das nicht wieder, was du da gemacht hast“

    Q: Und das Verzeihen war dann zunächst einmal, sich selber zu verzeihen.

    A: Ja. Und das war wieder der Schritt zurück in erstmal in die eigene Anerkennung, um sich dann auch wieder die Anerkennung von Eltern und früheren Freunden und Menschen, die man gut kennen wird, zu gewinnen, denn ich bin offensiv mit meiner Mitgliedschaft umgegangen, hab mich an Journalisten gewendet und hab auch über Dinge berichtet, die damals völlig unbekannt waren. Das hat natürlich dann dazugeführt, dass ich sehr rege befragt worden bin, von Journalisten aufgefordert wurde, Vorträge zu halten... Auch für mich ein völlig fremdes Gebiet. In allen meinen Schulzeugnissen stand „Norbert ist zu still“. Also plötzlich auf einer Bühne zu stehen und anderthalb Stunden frei zu reden, das war schon eine enorme Herausforderung, aber auch ein tolles Gefühl, in sich plötzlich andere Fähigkeiten zu entdecken, was wohl auch mit meinem wiedergefundenen Glauben zu tun hat. Das man Wertvolles findet, nicht indem man Dinge, die die Umwelt anders haben will zu verbessern, wie zu Beginn, sondern indem man sich [[?]] selbst die Dinge entdeckt und die zur Reife bringt.

    Q: Keine Außensteuerung, sondern zu entdecken, Gott hat mich geschaffen und ich habe eine Sendung in dieser Welt.

    A: Genau. Aus eigener Kraft und eigener Lebensfreude und Gestaltungsfreude das zu machen, das war ein völlig neues Lebensgefühl.

    Q: Aber wenn Sie jetzt so auf die Bühne gegangen sind, haben Sie nicht auch Angst gehabt, ich meine Scientology hat ja auch seine Beziehungen und Sie reden ganz offen und sehr kritisch sagen Sie, was Sache ist. Ist das nicht auch gefährlich, können wir beide so ganz unbedarft miteinander reden oder müssen wir auch ein bisschen Angst haben, dass da ein System irgendwo da ist, so wie das ja so oft dargestellt wird, das uns gefährlich werden kann, auch ihnen gefährlich werden kann.
    Ist es ihnen mal gefährlich geworden im Nachhinein?

    A: Man hat es versucht, ich selbst...

    Q: Wie zum Beispiel?
  5. nonnonanon Member

    Re: N24 interview with norbert potthoff

    A rough translation here. It's quite a hard document (OK that's an excuse for being inadequately learned...) and someone should show it to an ex-scientologist and a Christian and see if they can figure out which bits probably started out as Scientologese or Biblical quotes... I hope it is more useful than a blank page :text:


    Welcome to N24 Ethics "By God's will". Our guest here today is an ex-scientologist.

    Second part (continues where the transcript from N24 breaking news thread stops):

    Great!" And the certification enables you to continue. And then it went pretty fast. The changes in gesture, in speech were noticed by my friends, and they recoiled...

    Q: What changed there?

    A: I must have become a bit of a fanatic, as I wanted to convince others... "Look, I'm feeling great. I want you to feel good too." So that's the next effect, because Scientologists aspire to recruit others for the organisation. It's your responsibility. I hadn't noticed at all that I was right in the middle of a missionary phase, so to speak, and I would have strongly denied it if anybody had pointed it out. But that's how it was. And the result was that I lost contact with the normal people of Krefeld and as an act of defiance I went right towards the group.

    Q: Did you clamber up the career ladder a bit?

    A: I was looking for a carrer as a graphic artist and advertising specialist in the scientology Organisation and initially I found it.

    Q: And this career is vocational, so one improves ones' skills, or is it also spiritual or a type of training or do you become a teacher, or what does it mean to say that "You study Scientology"?

    A: The career is: you produce. That's the alpha and omega of the Scientology system, that you produce effectively. A proverb of the founder, Hubbard, is "Produce, produce, produce", that's all that counts. And...

    Q: That's a very modern economic view.

    A: Naturally. It's also what makes Scientology seem to remain attractive today still in many ways, because the economic system functions similarly - I don't want to say that it works the same way, but in some ways similarly - and also in the economy the "Slow machine" [?], the individual is seen as a machine, as human capital, that is there to be exploited and used. And there are some nasty points of contact between the modern economy, capitalism and scientology. And in my case it was that via my domain knowledge that I succeeded in the areas of marketing, PR, advertising, recruitment of new people, building new groups. And that resulted in advancement within the system. Spiritual development naturally didn't happen, I was just drilled, without paying attention to it.

    Q: This "produce, produce, produce", what's behind that? Is the individual according to these Scientology teachings someone, who is only considered somebody, when he has accomplished something? That would really be the opposite to the occidental way of looking at things, where we speak of mercy, the individual has intrinsic worth and is then also valuable when he is not able to achieve something. Is it the case that somewhere in the teachings there is "You're only something, if you've managed to achieve something"?


    A: I'll give an example to clear it up: the Scientology organisation, who in parts also refer to themselves as a "church", refer to Church doctrine. Amongst other things it's, "We from the church believe that Man is essentially good". That sounds great to start with. When you know the language of Scientology, though, then you know that the word "Church" internally means "Technology centre", "Man" internally means "Machine", "to be good" really means "to be productive". When you translate the phrase correctly according to meaning, then it would be "We from the technology centre believe, that Man is a productive machine". And only after that translation happens does it mean anything.

    The word "Ethics" that you have in the title of this program, has another meaning in scientologist thought. Ethics means productiveness, and there it starts to be both dangerous and also contemptuous of the individual.

    Q: Someone who can't produce anything is a nobody.

    A: Quite. And someone who doesn't produce is ill, and should be weeded out. There comes a second, worse case behind, that people who don't produce, that you don't help them, but that you practically throw them away. They have to find their way back under their own steam, and if they can't well then, so what?

    Q: How did you experience this, this discarding[disconnection?], how did that happen?

    A: With friends within the group, who suddenly stopped showing up, who appeared on the ethics list.

    Q: Merit list[?]

    A: They were described as suppressive persons [unterdruecker == pressure downwards, sounds right?], as really awful people, right up to being forbidden or outlawed within the organisation. And then it took stronger forms, and when a new friend suddenly disappeared, then a bit at a time you'd start to think about it.

    Q: As you describe that now... you tolerated this for seven years. How could that be?

    A: Yeah, in the end I asked myself the same question, and that was a bad time, coming to terms with myself, as I really didn't want to leave [?]. Although I'd escaped the church, I was at my core a Catholic and a Christian and terms like altruism and help and compassion played a decisive role, and all these expressions were frowned upon, even outlawed in Scientology. So those were really difficult years, coming to terms with myself, why I hadn't noticed all this earlier.

    Q: What then was the catalyst, which got you to say, "I'm quitting"?

    A: Yeah, release is a process, the pressure increases. And the last phase of my life as a Scientologist got this pressure right to me. My wife was threatened and I felt forced, or was forced, to make an ethics declaration about my wife, say "Where did she screw up?" And that was the first time, I refused to carry out an order, and then ended up in [I think there is a Scientologist word for this, an ethics case] myself. For days I had to clean toilets, clean windows in Copenhagen. And that was the last that I would have done, to put my own wife to the knife [which is surely a Biblical expression or something?]. And then it finally beame really clear that the line had been crossed.

    Q: How it went on after there, and if you still feel threatened, we'll talk about right after the break. Stay tuned in!

    Great, that you're back at N24 Ethics "By God's will". I'm talking today with an ex-Scientologist. Mr Potthoff, as you left, you mentioned "I can't betray my wife" You did separate during your departure. What happened next?

    A: My wife left the church with me, but it just lasted a few weeks until she stopped being able to deal with the bird-calls, with the internal pressure.

    Q: And then she went back to the church?

    A: She was dependent on the system in a different way to me, a life outside Scientology was no longer conceivable to her. At least I had several good professional skills as a graphic artist, as a sculptor, as a photographer, and also had the courage to have a go at living an everyday life, but she didn't have the courage. And those were again bad months, dealing with this bereavement, as I had no chance at all of getting anywhere near her. There was then a disconnection order, which stated, that contact was utterly forbidden, until she had completed her training - called "her auditing", her indoctrination. That naturally never was completed, so the marriage was compulsorily ended by her Scientology.

    With increasing distance, and also with the review "What have you done wrong", there came the self-recriminations, that were fortunately again absorbed into a deep belief. In this phase I became a Christian again, another Christian to that at 17 years of age, and an adult Christian with a lot more certainty and clarity, what it meant, to think this way and also how to pull together a life on this basis, with work on one side and the depth of belief on the other.

    Q: What have you then discovered within your belief? What was the new, or the fascinating things that you have seen?

    A: Something amazing, there is forgiveness. And the ability -- with this woman, who has asked for a divorce -- when I am not judged, I can't do so either. "Go, and sin no more". And that seemed to me to become my motto, too. "Go in peace, build yourself a new life and don't do again what you did there."

    Q: And as a start, you had to forgive yourself.

    A: Yes. And that was the first step back into acceptance of oneself, to win back the acceptance of parents and old friends and people, who one knew well, as I had actively dealt with my membership, had gone to journalists and talked about things that at the time were totally unknown. That then of course continued, that I was actively interviewed, called on by journalists, to hold lectures... also for me a totally strange area. In all my school reports it said "Norbert is too quiet". So to suddenly have to stand on a stage and talk freely for an hour and a half, that was already a massive challenge, but also a great feeling, to discover new abilities in oneself, which also had something to do with my rediscovered belief. Finding something important, not just improving the environment as in the beginning[no clue, sorry], but something that one can discover and bring to fruition oneself.

    Q: Noone pulling your strings, but the discovery that God has created me and I have a mission in this world.

    A: Exactly. To do it from my own strength and own love for life and satisfaction, that was a whole new feeling in life.

    Q: But when you went public, weren't you afraid, I mean, Scientology has its connections too, and you're talking totally openly and very critical, you say it as it is. So isn't that dangerous, can we two just chat about it with each other or ought we to be a little concerned, that there's a system there somewhere, as it's so often portrayed, that can be dangerous to us, to you? With the benefit of hindsight, did it become dangerous?

    A: It was tried, I myself...

    Q: For example?
  6. Himbeertoni Member

    Re: N24 interview with norbert potthoff

    Very Nice! And affirmation is something that keeps you going on. And then it all went down very fast. The changes in my gesture in my language stroke my friends and they started to turn away from me.

    Q: What did change, what was the difference?

    A: Well i must have been quite fanatic, in a way that i wanted to persuade others ... "look i´m so happy, i want you to be happy aswell." This is the next effect Scientologists aim for, you are to recruit others. This is a must! I didn´t even realise that i was already in a kind of "proselytization phase" and if someone would have told me i probably would have strictly denied that. But i think it was like that. The consequence was, that i lost all the contact to the normal people of Krefeld and as an act of defiance, totally joined the group.

    Q:Did this improve your carrer?

    A: I was looking for a carrer as a graphical artist and commercial expert in the scientology Organisation an in the beginning i found it.

    Q: And this carrer is it that you do some kind of vocational training or is it also something spiritual or more like a training or do you become a "teacher" of some sort or what does it mean? "you make an apprenticeship in Scientology?"

    A: The carrer is: you produce. This is the Alpha and the Omega of the scientological System, to effectivly produce. A keyword of Hubbard the founder is [[?]] "produce, produce, produce" that is all that matters, and ...

    Q: Well that is quite modern in an economical system.

    A: Of course, that is also something, that makes Scientology look attractive in many ways even today, because the economic system works similar - i don´t want to say "the same way", but somehow similar - and also in the economic system "the slow machine", you know, man is regarded as a machine, as human resources, that you have to use and exploit. There are some fatal points of contact between modern economy, capitalism, and Scientology. In my case i was very successful due to my professional skills in marketing, PR, strategical advertisment, recruiting new people and founding new groups. This lead to my own advancement in the system. There was no spiritual development i was only drilled, without realising it.

    Q: And this „produce, produce, produce“, what was it about? Is man according to the teachings of Scientology someone, who is only accepted as a human, if he or she has accomplished something? That would be in contrast to the occidental idea of man, where we talk about grace, and where a man also has a value because he´s man, even if he cannot accomplish anything.
    Is it that these teachings cotain something like "you only are worth something if you have accopmlished something?"

    A: Let me make this more obvious with an exapmle: The Organisation of Scientology, that calls itself partially a "church", always refers to churchlike theses.
    Among other things they say:"We of the church of scientology belief that man is basically good!", that sounds very fine in the beginning! But if you know the language of scientology you know the word "church" internally means "Center of technology", man internally means "machine", to be good means to be "productive". So if you translate that sentence correct it means "We of the center of technology believe that man is a productive machine". And this is everything you are being judged for!
    The word "ethics" that you have in the title of your show here has in the ideas of scientology a different meaning. To be ethic is to be productiv, and this is the point where the whole thing starts to become dangerous and inhuman!

    Q: The one who cannot produce is worth nothing.

    A: Exactly. And the one who does not produce is sick and has to be seperated. And there´s a second very bad thing, people who do not produce ... you don´t help them you throw them away. They have to find back on their own and if they don´t, well then it´s a pity.

    Q: how did you experience this "discarding", how did that happen?

    A: friends inside a group, that suddenly didn´t show up, that did show up on an ethic list

    Q: a productionlist?

    A: They were declared SP, marked as very bad people, they had order to stay away from the church or outlawry inside the organisation. These things becane stronger, and when suddenly a friend disappeared the reflectiveness started little by litlle.

    Q: Now that you tell us about it like that, you stayed in there for seven years, how is that possible?

    A: well i asked myself this question aswell, and it was a hard time to find back to myself again, i couldn´t forgive myself. And even though i left the catholic church, my matrix is the one of a catholic christian and terms like charity, helping others and compassion play a major role and all those things were frowned upon by Scientology even rejected! And so these were very difficult years for me, to find back to myself and why i didn´t realise the whole thing earlier.

    Q: and what was the reason for you to say, i´m leaving!

    A: Yes, the reason is a process, the pressure gets bigger. In the final phase of my life as a Scientologist this pressure became imminent. My wife was being threatend and i should ... i was forced to make ethic reports about my wife, in other words "where is she failing?". This was the first time i refused to carry out an order, and i became unethical myself. I had to clean toilets for days in Copenhagen (capital of denmark) but it would be the last thing on earth i would do to send my wife to doom. And at this point it came to my mind that i missed the deadline.

    Q: And we will continue to talk how all these things went on and if you are still feeling threatened after a short break, please stay tuned.

    Thank you for watching this is N24 Ethik "for Gods sake". Today i talk with ex scientologist Mr. Potthoff, so as you were leaving, you realised i cannot betray my wife, you tolerated being humilliated in this stage of leaving scientology. How did it go on?

    A: My wife left together with me, but it did only take a few weeks until she couldn´t resist the call of the organisation and she couldn´t stand the pressure.

    Q: and went back?

    A: She was addicted to this system unlike me and she couldn´t imagine a life outside the organisation anymore. I had a good education as a graphical artist, sculptor, fotographer and i had the courage to at least try a normal life again, but she hadn´t. And those were really sad months again to cope with this loss, i had no chance to get to her. There was a disconection order, that says it is forbidden for her to have any contact to me until her training is finished - her "auditing", her indoctrination is finished. Of course this thing is never finished, so the marriage was forced to an end by Scientology.
    By the time and with more distance i mortified myself "what have i done wrong?" ...


    sorry i have to stop here, will continue soon ...
  7. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Re: N24 interview with norbert potthoff

    Keep on the good work !
  8. indeedindeed Member

    Re: N24 interview with norbert potthoff

    last part of the transcript from third YouTube vid.

  9. TrevAnon Member

    Re: N24 interview with norbert potthoff

    From the texts transcripted and translated above, as well as from my own I have made three TXT-files:
    - German transcript
    - English translation of the German transcript
    - File with leftovers from the above.
    All TXT in 1 ZIP.

    Have phun!
  10. TrevAnon Member

    Re: N24 interview with norbert potthoff

    Any other wishes?
  11. indeedindeed Member

    Re: N24 interview with norbert potthoff

    thanks a lot. This will be a good base to complete a translation, which I have started working on now.
  12. indeedindeed Member

    Re: N24 interview with norbert potthoff

    ok, so this is my draft now, based on the file by TrevAnon. Any corrections are welcome:

    update: done now and put into the thread Scientology&Germany in Education&Research

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