Measurable Solutions fires employee for browsing Xenu sites; MS goal to make scilons

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I don't care what people choose to do. I like discussion. As for what I have or haven't done, who knows? Maybe I've never done anything and have nothing to do with Chanology, or maybe I'm the most active person in chanology. But I really don't see any leaderfagging. I'm not demanding that people do anything.

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Herro, GTFO. Srsly, srsly GTFO. You like masturbation, we like sex. Go find a place to jerk off while the adults get on with the orgy.

Mods - Give me that infraction now if you want to, but this guy is a clown.

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lol, internet.

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You couldn't recognize a "discussion" if it bowled you over like a Flag bus driving the slaves home to their fenced Hacienda prison at 2:00am in Clearwater.

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oh lawd.

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I'm certain that thats is your story, but in the world of internets that doesn't mean much does it?

Yeah its true you might be the most productive person evah, but also maybe the most destructive by the same token,, so moot yurself on that point.

What we do know is that you troll people with crap shooting then down with your end--all- widoms*. true you don't demand anything, you just bawwww and whine about "don't do this".

your devilishly *clever* semantics.... well, have nice day.

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I merely provide my own perspective, as does everyone here. There are many clever, creative ideas here. If you look at my posting history, there isn't a large number of different threads in which I have posted. I simply open my mouth when I see something that I think is... off shall we say.

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NOBODY, except King Nerd gives a SHIT about your repetitive and useless perspective.

And I damn sure know for sure nobody wants to read your whiney explanation. BULLET POINTS - what do you DO?

either that or just GTFO.

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Which is often an attempt to deride someone else of their efforts.

You can state what you like about your innocent intent, but I see it as your ego trying to leaderfag.

You are really cool online, I wish I was like you <3.

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lol, internet sure is serious business around these here parts.

I think you're much cooler than I am, on or offline. <3

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I want $25,000,000 and a bus to the airport OR I PUT THIS THREAD BACK ON TRACK.

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PROOF you have poor judgment.

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Well I still think you're awesome. <3

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$25,000,000 and you are gonna take the bus?

The state labor board needs to be told. this is what they do for a living. We could also poon elected officials enmass; make sure the labor board does not get bought out or something.
If some FL anon will post lings I for one will gladly start stuffing all the email boxes you give me.

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Meet Deborah Dunham, Scientologist and mother of six young Scientologists.





Deborah J. Dunham - Scientology Service Completions | Truth About Scientology Statistics Project

Scientology - Deborah J. Dunham a Scientologist - find out what I have gained from Scientology...

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She's UGLY...

and Herro's posts ahve been reported, AGAIN. And he has been added to Ignore list. I suggest everyone who is tired of derailing threads do the same!

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The story is spreading...

Scientology's &quot;Citizens Commission on Human Rights&quot; Exposed: Alleged Scientology Company Measurable Solutions Allegedly Violates Human Rights

Operation Clambake Message Board :: View topic - Measurable Solutions employee fired

Really scared - Page 9 - Ex Scientologist Message Board

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More info re Measurable Solutions:



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A thread we should &quot;fill in&quot; on the real scoop:
Measurable Solutions

Announcement re WISE and Measurable Solutions hosted by Church of Scientology in Buffalo New York:
Church of Scientology Buffalo

and here:
Scientology Today: Secrets of Prosperity and Success? They Won't Be Secret After September 8th

Interesting document here:
http://www.ppsapta.org/calendar/2008ac/PPS%20Exhibitor%20List.pdf
includes:

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Barry VanSickle could probably benefit from their services, he should see if their tech can help his business.

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Bump. Nice scans of e-mails, Francie.

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francie and some of the people in this line of inquiry might like this Cult video...

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A Norwegian argues US constitutional law:

I disagree on the why and how, but not on the end result.

If I understood correctly, Hein deals with the discretionary executive resources which was spent for facilitation of the faith based initiative (the money used to hold conferences and meetings and so on) not the actual funding which was given to the participants.
The actual money which was given to the participating organizations were given out without any difference shown between religious and non-religious service providers, and the service providers would keep separate accounts and not discriminate between people recieving benefits. That is all on the up-and-up.*
So the plaintiffs in Hein instead tried to attack the faith-based initiative on the money used to recruit and prepare faith-based organizations to apply for this money. (Under the theory that the administration in concentrating on faith-based groups in this work were establishing religion just by using some time and money.)

I think if you tried to sue based on Narconon getting money, Hein would not apply to your case, and you'd probably have standing, but you would probably still lose if Narconon competed on equal terms with other service providers. The standing would all depend on exactly which budget it's coming from, and who gets the money.

Let me give an example: If the president chooses to go visit Narconon, or to invite Narconon for a conference on drug treatment, paid from the president's executive funds, you might argue that it shows a favor to one religion over another, but Hein means you can't sue - you have no standing. If, however, Narconon is getting preferential allocations of drug abuse treatment funds tasked by congress, you would have standing to sue.

Even if you have standing, and even if you were able to get the court to agree that Narconon was religious**, you would lose if the grant was given on equal terms with other applicants - that is, if the government agency ignored the religious connection when allocating the funds, they were doing it right.

Suing to stop Narconon funding would be better based on
- Showing that the money ends up in Scientology.
or
- Showing that the treatment is not evidence based - that it is a faith healing program. Many countries now demand that alternative treatments are either evidence based or religious - not this strange land in between where Narconon festers.

(*: At least it used to be considered on the up and up. The Obama admin is considering to force participanting organizations to even let anyone work on the service programs without &quot;discrimination&quot; - so you could have a church having to let satanists or KKK people run their soup kitchen in an extreme case. Going a bit further than needed - but hardly a terrible outrage either.

**: Arguing that Narconon is religious seems to jar with making an argument that Scientology is not a religion. Personally, I am unsure if they are a religion, but I am sure that their &quot;fixed donations&quot; (course fees) should be taxed.)
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Back to Measurable Solutions: Could you speak to the civil rights division in the DoJ about this case? I think that might be a productive use of your time. Even if they might not start a case without a victim willing to press charges (they MIGHT), you will at least learn what kind of evidence they would be looking for and if they would be interested at all.

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Response to Herro in spoiler:
[spoiler=happy box]

Well, you learn something every day.
I know you were trying to be sarcastic, but it doesn't really work when you display such ignorance of how the court system works.
I do agree with you that something more than just posting it online might have been good, but I disagree that it shouldn't have been done. (This thread, and the OCMB one are on the first results page.)

Gentlemen. I like discussion.
etc.
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That's incorrect--neither the plaintiff nor the court made any distinction between facilitation and actual funding. The complaint was as to "the use of money appropriated by Congress under Article I, section 8, to fund conferences that various executive branch agencies hold to promote President Bush’s 'Faith-Based and Community Initiatives.'" I think you're misreading that the complaint attacks the use of money used to "fund conferences..." as limiting its reach to only "facilitation." The complaint only targeted money used to fund conferences because winning on that point would've effectively dismantled the entire Office of Faith Based Initiatives. If the complaint had targeted individual expenditures to religious groups, a court could have ruled narrowly, invalidating the expenditure but leaving the Office intact.

The Court's response most certainly reaches all executive branch expenditures, however, whether they be for "facilitation" or "actual funding". Alito wrote: "Because almost all Executive Branch activity is ultimately funded by some congressional appropriation, extending the Flast exception to purely executive expenditures would effectively subject every federal action—be it a conference, proclamation or speech—to Establishment Clause challenge by any taxpayer in federal court."

The decision to attack money used to construct the FBO was tactical but the Court's response covers any expenditure made by the executive branch. Remember that it all comes back to Flast--the question was whether Flast is broad enough to encompass executive branch expenditures, not whether Flast is broad enough to encompass certain types of executive branch expenditures but not others.

And if one were to go to court to challenge SAMHSA expenditures made through the FBO, the initial question would not be whether it could be distinguished from Hein but whether it would fall under Flast, a question which would only then necessitate an examination of Hein for the answer; and Hein would not be read so narrowly as to include only expenditures for facilitation and office construction. If the Supreme Court intended to restrict itself to such a narrow factual basis, it would've deliberately done so.

That's pretty much correct--the problem with the hypothetical establishment clause suit would be showing that NN was treated more favorably than a secular entity because of its religious character. Even if this was true it would be very difficult to prove because those invovled in the approval process, even if they were making such constitutionally violative distinctions, do not leave a trail of easily discoverable evidence, generally speaking.

It really just comes down to personalities in the DOJ and whether a suit would fit within its mandate. Obama's DOJ is likely to pursue different types of cases than Bush's DOJ did--and mostly for the better--but I don't get the feeling that any religious group, no matter how flaky, will get much attention from Obama's DOJ. The DOJ generally tries two types of cases--cases that fit within its mandate, and cases that fall outside the mandate but which can't be ignored, whether because of publicity, egregiousness, or a crime's systemic character. As to types of evidence, the DOJ would mostly be looking at documentary evidence of the type that Francie has posted here. I personally think that the chance of the DOJ getting involved is low.

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Where "the Church of Scientology sponsored the production of a corresponding series of Public Service Announcements" = "created for Youth for Human Rights International by the Human Rights Department of the Church of Scientology International".

Human Rights Message Reaches 130,000 Viewers - Church of Scientology International

It is indeed elronic that human rights videos were possibly produced at Golden Era, behind inward-facing razor wire.

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Isn't it though. Sounds like a perfect time for...



"This "human rights" message brought to you by people who work here...

video clip - Golden Era fortress

"This "human rights" message brought to you by the same people who live here..."

video clip - razor wire on the inside

"This "human rights" message brought to you by people who suppress human rights in the following ways.."

video clip - protesters and bullbaiters, C&D letters, whatever else is relevant..

"This "human rights" message brought to you by the people at the "church" of Scientology, attempting to redefine "reality and human rights" since 1940."

"Human Rights."

"Scientology?"

"Think About It."

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Good post tikk, thanks.

Yes, you're right. And if they had targeted the congressional grants, they would have had standing, but probably lost because the funding was given without religious considerations. (Or at least it would have been hard to prove.)

If, however, the case had involved substantial executive funds actually given to faith groups, I think you would have seen a more interesting case. The chance of a different outcome might not be high; the facts of the basis of the case do hold some influence on the outcome of a lawsuit, but I'm sure the justices gave due consideration to the principles at work here and considered how their ruling would work even if the White house had decided to give millions of dollars directly to the Church of the American Knights of the KKK.
And Alito's majority opinion says that if something like that were to happen, it would be job of Congress to intervene, or that a lawsuit could be brought by people who have standing not as a taxpayer but as something else.

If Congress failed to act in this hypothetical case, perhaps you could argue that you could even get standing as a tax payer again - since Congress lets the White House make a substantial direct contribution to the establishment of religion? Maybe a new precedent would be made? And in this case, perhaps the argument would center on whether or not money was only spent rather than given, or maybe it rather would center on if the expenditure was so substantial and so alien to the purpose of the White House that it should have been treated as its own budgetary item.

Anyway, this has become a bit of a tangent. Thanks for providing your insight.


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Even if the chance of the DoJ getting involved would be low, perhaps they should be talked to by the people possessing dox here.
1: Talk to DoJ civil rights div.
2: Create media shitstorm - global theme
3: ???
4: DoJ gets involved.

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TIKK good sir;

Any updates on Diskeeper suit?

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Try asking on any one of the many Diskeeper threads.

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Actually, yeah. There were some new docs filed on the court's website and I now have them but haven't had time to update. They're motions related to discovery, specifically a motion to quash subpoena requests--Diskeeper is seeking to subpoena the plaintiffs' former employers. I'll get to it over the next few days.

Twitter question and replies concerning Measurable Solutions. One reply links to this thread.

https://twitter.com/IndieScieNews/status/870461666122579969

What is the Felix Award?
Who is Felix?
What is the connection to scientology?

"below is the legendary "FELIX" award, given for for stellar production throughout the year in the various Seattle Ideal Org field activities. The name is contracted from the award's full name: the Seattle Org "F-E-i-L-d E-Xpansion" Award, and is our counterpart to the movie industry's "Oscar". Of course to fans of the "Odd Couple" TV show there is a whole additional level of nuance" https://www.facebook.com/Scientolog...21385.107209.448127055199578/750780811600866/

Suddenly the forum was filled with the smell of rotting corpse .............no wait.......it's Pedrofcuk.

No, Blarney, that bad smell emanates from yourself. It's called the OSAbot stench caused by gradual brain rot from years of scientology brainwashing. Now, go back to your Hubbard rat hole.

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