May 12th Case Update - Marc Headley Deposition

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I love this thread, great work Marc.

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HUH.

I thought Lron warned us about the assault of Marc abians, a LONG time ago.
Looks liek some David Miscavige weren't paying attention.

Or else squirreled up something, maybe they shouldn't have squirreled?

OSA! Do your job! Find the PTS that's corrupting Hubbard's message.

Hubbard (and the whole world) is counting on you!

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LOLWUT - Time to DL Zeitgeist?

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Squirrel like David Miscavige, you mean??
You think David Miscavige might have squirreled some stuff?

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I think the way to go about that would be to sub poena him for deposition.

Calling Barry van Sickle to the Headley Thread!

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Not to derail the thread, but ^ really? Did I miss something? I know Marty Rathbun does this, but I hadn't heard that Rinder does.

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Poster is confusing the two.

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wouldn't it be AWFUL if it turned out that we (critics) were wrong all along,
that the Marc abs really are coming to enslave our world, and
Hubbard really did have a brilliant plan to save the human race,
but turned it over to David Miscavige who... well....

???

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An appeal that will sadly fall on deaf ears. OSA as we know believe themselves elite; they have the snappy uniforms to prove it.

The OSA also live in an environment where everyone is encouraged to write knowledge reports for the slightest perceived infraction. This is a classic divide and dominate tactic which instils in the populace (in this case the OSA) with a strong degree of paranoia regarding each other thus preventing strong opposing groups from forming. All the great dictators used this tactic, nothing better than self policing.

An OSA member also has a number of psychological pressures put upon them to stay put even under extreme duress. First, the billion year contract - it is not legally binding but they feel a moral imperative to honour it. Second, the threat of being hunted down should they try to leave; some know this has happened, people who left have been hunted down like army recruits gone AWOL because they were involved the others have heard the stories and suspect them to be true. Third, the fear of punishment, the dreaded RPF ostensibly intended to help them back to the path of righteousness but those who have seen it realise that it is often used to simply break someone down completely with no intention of actual rehabilitation; drive them insane.

The best an OSA member believes they can do is ride it out. But while this is a lot of truth to the above there are also many ex-OSA who did leave, maybe not simply but they did and they are doing very well thank you in the outside world. They even did it without the support mechanisms in place for ex-OSA that there are these days. The best people have the ability to leave, to save themselves perhaps as some would say like rats leaving the sinking ship but alas the rest will stay to drown with the ship; to face the real trauma of it all falling apart.

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Rabbit, you seem to know a lot about Abelson. Alhadeff was/is involved with Basin Water, Inc. Peter Jensen was/is also involved.... In my opinion it appears to be just another typical ...ahem...stock deal...ahem...


Red Flags at Basin Water -- Seeking Alpha


Chris Petti, who answered to the Ant, was involved with one of Peter Jensen's companies.


Is that just a big coincidence?

Btw, Peter Jensen was in San Bernardino court in March but I haven't looked into what transpired.

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I wonder if anyone more familiar with CA bar rules can better answer...
If what Headley is stating in his complaint is true about illegal work contracts.. Can the same lawyer who authored alleged contracts ethically represent the corporation? I mean there are malpractice issues, etc.
I don't see it in the CA Bar rules...
Current Rules for CA Professional Conduct
CA Bar Ethics Research Online

I do think this might explain why high priced lawyers are in the room with Moxon, and why he keeps asking about trips to Hot n Now or whatever it was and seemingly unprofessional and obsessed with number of car trips on errands:

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So, from my clueless reading, it's ok to act as a deposing lawyer (member) you just cannot appear before a jury as a bar member if you are a possible witness. correct?

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Not to mention the fact that typing david miscavige all over the place means all one has to do is search for "David Miscavige" and they can quickly find all of these shoops.

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David Miscavige L Ron Hubbard Scientology The Way to Happiness Youth For Human Rights Narconon Criminon WISE and David Miscavige!

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Just gonna leave this here for you David Miscavige, Chairmain of the Board, Religious Technology Center.

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DONE SIR!


pw3d!


Goodbye x=divideby1
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and remembar asshole

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Usually. There are exceptions. Otherwise you could disqualify the other side's lawyer just by calling him as a witness.

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That's only applying the section I cited. There are probably other requirements about conflicts of interest that apply in deposition, but they probably can get around those with a signed consent from CSI.

Muldrake is right that in all these things there is discretion. Calling the lawyer to give evidence of some minute transaction wouldn't disqualify them. But calling the lawyer who drafted the contracts - where the contracts are being challenged as fraudulent? I'd suggest there'd be grounds to disqualify Moxon from appearing at trial.

But I don't know how this is applied in the US.

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This shoop of David Miscavige made me lol hard.

BTW, remember to type in "David Miscavige" along with your excellent shoops.

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David Miscavige

Do it, faggots. Make it the first result.

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This is bullshit of the highest order. An attorney for the prosecution or for the defense must do what they are charged to do under law: to remain personally non-committal and follow the law and the evidence.

Most of what you posted is sheer invention. Your only response possible is to post the transcript of BFG's interrogative with your comments. I trust MY judgement that you cannot post a transcript.

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I just checked Google Images for "David Miscavige" and none of the newer shoops come up. Why? (And yes, I fail at the internets).

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Using my incredible Operating Thetan Level XVI powers over time, I found this pic on the internet next year.


Just think... No more motorbikes for you, Davey!

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You mean this pic of a handcuffed David Miscavige being led into court? Is that the picture of David Miscavige that you mean?

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This is my favourite thread today!
Dear Scientologist: using critical reasoning and logic is GOOD.
BFG, congrats on your legal pwning of Moxon et al. Also, if he wants a copy, tell him that he can buy one like the rest of us...but you should offer to autograph the copy he buys.
Dear OSA: are you really better now than before you joined the CoS?
If you settle, settle for enough money to buy your own small country / private island and name it Xenustan. You can sustain yourself nicely selling 1 SP (etc) alienhead postal stamps, especially if they are diecut or triangular.
Hi OSA: someone out there loves you and wishes you'd call them
The David Miscavige shoops are lulzy. You can have fun with the "mention David Miscavige" thing too. Search engines still read white on white text.
David Miscavige David Miscavige David Miscavige David Miscavige David Miscavige David Miscavige David Miscavige
mongles dogs and does not liek Mudkips or independent thinkers
David Miscavige David Miscavige David Miscavige David Miscavige David Miscavige David Miscavige David Miscavige
squirreled the tech and altered Source to grub up more money
David Miscavige David Miscavige David Miscavige David Miscavige David Miscavige David Miscavige David Miscavige
can't use "OT Powers" to fix his own health problems
David Miscavige David Miscavige David Miscavige David Miscavige David Miscavige David Miscavige David Miscavige
lives in luxury while RPFers punished for doubt are suffering and blaming themselves for their mistreatment
Know what I mean?

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Everyone does know that people don't go to jail in civil cases right ?

Would someone like to talk about how the info from these things is going to go from civil cases to criminal cases ? I am all for BFG using this case to be repaid for the years he suffered abuses at the hand of his employerS but we still have work to do, don't get lazy. Criminal cases should be our biggest concern. I am all for giving the plaintiffs all the emotional support they deserve but I don't want to just sit by and hope something will be done about this in 3 years when his case is over.

Civil cases should not be our priority.

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If the justice system won't act, then civil cases are necessary. Civil judgments, and evidence given in civil proceedings (where accepted by the court as credible), can be used to leverage government action. Civil judgments also encourage others in similar situations to take their own civil actions. Further, civil judgments can include injunctions, or conditions on settlement that limit future misbehaviour by the parties.

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I see your point and I agree since most of the issues around this cult are civil in nature (criminality being a bitch to prove against a corporate entity) the more cases the better to establish precedent.

I am of the opinion that chanologies greatest contribution has been to defang the cult and OSA as being incompetent and bumbling fools there by empowering exes to be able to take bold action.

I disagree that civil cases lead to criminal cases. I did a little bit of research and can't find any precendent in recent history.

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I agree but is this new information being presented to the government when it is only being hinted about to us ?

I don't feel justice is served if people are only filing lawsuits because someone else did and won.

I didn't sign on have injunctions that only limit misbehavior.

As glad as I am that Marc has brought this case to court he has said that in 6 months he expects the case to be have cost them more than the case is worth.
No matter what the outcome of this case it is a small drop in the bucket (money wise).

Do we have a reason to believe that there will be some injunction that stops the abuses everywhere? How do we know it won't just be another lawsuit that the CoS lost and paid and then went about their business as usual ?

Like I said I think Marc is doing the right thing and if things work out for him the cult will be a few million $ lighter, but that is still a long way from getting the changes that we want. I personally would rather not have a civil suit and be able to shut down the cult than have a few ex cultist winning millions in lawsuits.

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I completely agree.

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I have been in the position of making recommendations whether to initiate criminal prosecutions. Provided the evidentiary requirements are met, a prosecutor will consider whether the public interest requires that a prosecution occur. One of the considerations taken into account is whether an injustice can been appropriately remedied by civil litigation or not. Another is whether the conduct is ongoing.

Successful civil litigation by one person (or several) in respect of very serious criminal conduct may not be sufficient to satisfy the public interest test, particularly where the conduct is ongoing. It is certainly very rare that such an assessment is made after completion of civil litigation as law enforcement usually is willing to investigate where they have evidence sufficient to investigate a crime. But, further evidence can come to light.

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They have always been bumbling fools.

How do I know? Cause I am talking shit about them....drunk off my ass.....and there is shit they can do about it.

OSA...you are fail in human form.

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Marc has said that this case could cost the cult as much as $400M in labor. (god bless him) Although I don't know where he gets that number I certainly hope that he is not going to wait until his case is over to share his information with the appropriate agencies. After all it could take the fight out of the cult if proper wages where paid to employees while his case is being tried as well as take away managements reasons for fighting .

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Soon I will be in charge of Scientology David.

Due to the Headley's the amount of time you have left before you get sent to prison is minimum.

Same with you Kendrick.

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Tommy,

Before you take over the cult get your GED so people can understand what you post!

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Heh, does that billion year contract come with any redundancy clause?

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let's take a simple case: over four years (the fallback period), an average of 500 SO members at Gold in the class Marc posts about.

Base pay, $50 per week (if even given) for 18 hours per day versus $7 per hour minimum wage. I posit a 6.5 day work week.

hourly pay, actual = ($50/week)/(18hr/day*6.5days/week) = $00.43/hr

Net per week owed to BFG @ $7.00/hr = $7*40 = $280 (basic 40hr week, plus overtime over 40 hrs/week at $7.00 * 1.5 = $10.50/hr.

Total hours per week = 18hr/day*6.5 hr/week = 117 hr/wk
Normal hours per week = 40 hr/wk
Net overtime hours = 117hr/wk-40hr/wk = 77 hr/wk.

Net overtime pay = 77 hr/wk * $10.50/overtime hour = $808.50/wk

Total weekly pay owed under law:

40 hr standard pay @ $7/hr = $280.00
Overtime of 77 hr/wk at $10.50/hr = 808.50
Total weekly pay owed = $1088.50/wk

Actual payment = $50/wk.

Net owed per wk =$1088.50 - $50.00 = $1038.50
Net owed per year = $1038.50 *52 = $54,200.

For a four-year backdate allowed = $216,008.

If there were 500 people similarly situated at Gold, the total due from Scientology would be

500*$216,008 = $108,004,000

Now, damages at say 100% would make this about $220MM. for the suit, if the suit were to be advanced to the class of those whose wages were not paid. If damages are 300%, the total indemnity for the cult would be about $430 MM.

This is based on a four year indemnity period for the cult. Because BFG was employed as a minor, illegally, for several years, his particular case raises a far larger individual total indemnity for the cult than would be the case of an adult in which four years is the total backdating allowed. His indemnity might be as much as $1 - 2 million, at least.

In any event, the total indemnity staring the cult in its face is something like the calculated $110 million to as much as $430 million + depending on how the law and the judge allow for damages for the crimes at Gold Base itself.

This is not dog food money, and the results of the suits, if in favor of the victims, could likely be expanded to include thousands of other unpaid SO and staff members in the US, exclusive of those at Gold, depending on the state of residence and the minimum wage and overtime regs in each state.

The eventual indemnity for the cult could be several billion dollars or nothing, depending on the outcome of these two lawsuits.