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Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

Discussion in 'Tom and Katie' started by Anonymous, Aug 25, 2009.

  1. gizmogirl Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    hit the wrong button
  2. gizmogirl Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    "So far as Tom is concerned, I will repeat what I said before. It is neither appropriate nor lawful for you to refer to yourself online, in the media or elsewhere as Tom’s auditor. I would like to avoid taking action over this, so please stop."

    So.......lawyers says stop saying you were Tink's auditor. Marty says "But I was!". Lawyer says it not "appropriate" for you to say you were his auditor: stop, followed by vague legal threat.

    So Lawyer does not dispute that Marty could be Tinks auditor, just that for some reason it is not "appropriate" to say so. Lawyer does not say if he followed Marty's instruction to show the letter to Tink.

    This all seems very odd, and not what you would expect from a high level lawyer.
  3. basil Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    He's probably being told what to say, and paid very well to do it. The lawyer most likely couldn't care either way.
  4. gizmogirl Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    But this is a lawyer who boasts he has never lost a case. Surely he would spend ten minutes checking background before he makes threats of legal action?

    Saying you were Tink's auditor breaks no laws I am aware of. Marty is not trying to make money from the statement or gain employment from the statement. And letting it slip that Tink who is OT8, had an auditor, is not top secret or defaming.

    Something is happening in the background.
  5. Sponge Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    I think what Fields is implying is that Rathbun is using the heterosexual scino-celebrity, Tom Cruise, as a means to promote a business (that business being his non-church scientology "pay what you like" counselling service) without Cruise's approval. Fields is vague on it.
    In my non-lawyer opinion, that seems to be the only legal tac TC's lawyer can take. I think TC would be on shakey ground here. I mean Rathbun is hardly issuing brochures with any implication of endorsements. He so far as just stated facts in a blog and not in a way that is overtly promoting a business.
    In a way it's sorta like saying "Tom Cruise ate at my old restaurant" and even having your own photo of him on the restaurant wall. It's not implying that Tom Cruise endorses it one way or the other. It's just a statement of historical fact.

    Lawyerfags? Any precedents on this?

    If he intends getting into the area of defamation of character or something like that then that would be one hell of a can of worms.
  6. Oswald2001 Member

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    It is a statement of historical fact used in a promotional manner.

    Essentially, it's 'name dropping' for subliminal (and not-so-subliminal) use in building credibility in marketing.

    Gotta remember that long term formerly high level $cilons are pretty accomplished mindfu**ers.

    I hope that MR gets away with 'walking the thin line' here.

    Not a fan of MR, but if it tweaks Slappy, Cruise and the entire Predatory Evil $pace Alien Mind Control CULT...I'm all for it.
  7. Sponge Member

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    Hmm, I see. I wonder if a boilerplate disclaimer on his front page would get him off that thin line and onto safe ground by stating that he was TC's auditor as a matter of fact along with a declaration that TC in no way endorses the opinions of MR or any of his ventures.
  8. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    /r/ wordfilter "Predatory Evil $pace Alien Mind Control CULT" to "Church of Scientology"
  9. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    I suspect Tom Cruise saw Marty's stilt house in the Freedom mag of August 2009, and told his friend Bert he wish he had one. Bert figured that he might be able to get it for free by suing Marty using the excuse that he his promoting his 'business' using trademarked Tom Cruise's name.
  10. Oswald2001 Member

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    First off, I'm not an attorney. lol!

    My guess is that this is a matter of money, of course.

    Money for court vs. money lost due to bad PR.

    Whoever has enough money will likely prevail...legally...which is not to say morally.

    Of course, you know the amoral $cilon approach to litigation. Not to win, but to....

    MR cannot compete dollar for dollar, but, he can cause a PR stink. I believe that is why he brought up the specter of 'Cruise abuse'.

    And he also has mentioned that he is privy to auditing 'sekrets'. No need to mention that unless he was engaging in mindfu**ing.


    Cruise, Slappy and The CULT can make it rough for MR in court.

    MR can (hopefully) make it rough on Cruise, Slappy and The CULT in terms of PR.



    As has been stated before, Cruise, Slappy and The CULT may end up as self-condemned victims of the Streisand Effect.

    Perhaps Anonymous can help here.

    Possibly by referring to MR as "MR, Tom Cruise's long term auditor" both online and at protests.
  11. Oswald2001 Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..


    fixed it fer ya.


    Listen. You already raegquit once.

    Why don't you just stay raegquit?
  12. YAHRLY Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    quick everyone lets get in this thread and SPECULATE!
  13. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

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  14. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    You seem to be a pro at that in many of your posts.
  15. Diablo Member

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    more info. on this attorney...no wonder Co$ knows information no one else would know without wiretapping....

    Anthony Pellicano scandal
    Fields was a long-time client of private investigator Anthony Pellicano and has been repeatedly connected to the ongoing federal wiretapping investigation of Pellicano in the press. Reporters allege his celebrity clients have benefited from Pellicano's alleged illegal wiretaps directed against members of the media and prominent critics. As of April 2006, he was under investigation but had not been charged in the matter; whether he would be charged has remained a matter of considerable media speculation. Fields is represented by prominent San Francisco criminal defense specialist John Keker. trial.
  16. auchraw Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    Would you call this a circle--fuck?
  17. JohnnyRUClear Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    Oh, wow. This guy is a BGH-enhanced lulzcow in the making. Dig this:

    Well, Mr. Fields, would that be the Mike Rinder who is now publicly stating that he was lying when he worked for the cult? The same Mike Rinder who is now publicly stating that he was in fact beaten up by David Miscavige? So you are going to try to use statements from him from his cult years against his current out-of-cult statements? Srsly??

    And I just love the way he tries to imply that Marty's "issues" with Miscavige are only Marty's. Earth to Fields: that train done left the St. Petersburg station already, and it's a 1-way trip, baby.

    NYPA. Hit it yourself, if you feel that strongly about it.
  18. Anonymous Member

  19. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    ^

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  21. Optimisticate Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    <jawdrop>
  22. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    So David Miscavige threatened executives with "Tom Cruise is going to come beat you" or "Tom Cruise won't see you" unless they beat up the victims?

    It's like that old "Wait till daddy comes home" thing again, except this time DM is the mommy and TC is the daddy.
  23. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    Rathburn's story sounds increasingly far fetched. But who knows, I guess it's possible that he's telling the truth.
  24. fitch2000 Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    Bert Fields is also the **** that got hollywood execs and some idiot actors to sign his full page ad he had published in a newspaper calling out Germany related to it's stand against scientology.

    "....Several say they signed out of respect for the letter's author, entertainment attorney Bertram Fields, "

    "...If you asked me, do I know a great deal about Scientology, I do not," acknowledges former MCA president Sid Sheinberg. "But I don't think I have a burden to know."" um ok 0.o

    HOLLYWOOD'S GLITTERATI CIRCLE THE WAGONS - TIME


    But I think I love this dude who didn't sign it..

    "...An executive who declined to participate is Joe Roth, chairman of the Disney studios, which did well with the Travolta film Phenomenon. "Bert made it less about [Scientology] and more about connecting to feelings about the Holocaust," says Roth. "Either that, or they're all whores for Tom Cruise and John Travolta, and they wanted to be on the right list.""
  25. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    ^Oh? More of a Scilon stooge than he pretends to be.

    Operation : Buttram Fields commence nao?
  26. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    Credible? So much of what Scientology and Miscavige have done has seemed incredible. At this stage, I'm open-minded that it could be true. One thing Rathbun is not, is stupid. If he's willing to publish this, I suspect he has evidence (witnesses) to back it up.

    Nothing in what he says suggests that Cruise necessarily did say what Miscavige represented he had said. Rathbun doesn't suggest he believes Cruise was actually involved either. Just that Miscavige used his name. That's wise.


    Lulz abound.
  27. Anon1720 Member

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    lol. I am so enjoying watching this pissing contest and it has barely begun. Did Marty rock the boat a little too much with his second response to Bert? If so, who cares! Great stuff, let the fireworks begin.
  28. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    I thought Rathbun had intimated that Fields had done some Scientology study. I could be wrong.
  29. bAnon Member

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  30. mrfyde Member

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    ^^ This.

    I am confused if Marty obviously wants to get rid of DM, why is he so slow leak out information like this? He does not mention going to the authorities, but seems like he would rather dangle it in front of Miscavage. (because it is clear that he believes TC's and his lawyer are being manipulated by DM)

    Add that this information is coming from people who believe that events from imaginary past lives really happened, taking into account Marty's grasp of reality (judging solely from his blog) and his admitted past behavior... who would believe this ?

    However his type of thing did occur in Jamestown, and in other cults.
  31. Kha Khan Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    Relevant excerpt from most recent letter:

    There is at least one characteristic of this story that is very worthy of note. All of the allegations against Tom Cruise are hearsay in the form of "Miscavige said." No statements are attributed directly to Tom Cruise. Nor is there an allegation that Tom Cruise directly witnessed anything, or was present at any time.

    Actually, it is double hearsay. Tom Cruise can deny that he said any such thing to Miscavige. In addition, Miscavige can deny that he said that Tom Cruise said any such thing to him (i.e., Miscavige).

    Very interesting.

    Assume Tom Cruise sues Marty Rathbun for slander, libel or defamation, but (obviously) chooses not to sue Miscavige. Leaving aside the defense of truth, it would not be a defense for Marty to say that he was simply republishing something that someone else told him (note the use of the word "documented"). One cannot republish allegedly defamatory statements with impunity. Marty might, however, be able to cross-complain against Miscavige for contribution, indemnity, etc. on the ground that Miscavige was the ultimate source of what Tom Cruise allegedly said. Even if Marty would not be legally permitted to so cross-complain against Miscavige, Miscavige would certainly be subpoenaed as a witness, to say the least.

    It would also be very interesting to know the source and contents of Marty's alleged "documented" evidence.

    The entire thing would wind up as one big cluster-fark.
  32. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    I doubt Tom Cruise would venture to sue Marty for defamation since his future show biz career depends on now arousing anymore bad PR which has already destroyed his standing in many Hollywood circles.

    Thanks to the Internet, the news of TC's bad behavior in and out of the cult spreads like wildfire. I expect to see TC gradually backing away from personal appearances at Scientology events. He already stopped promoting Scientology publicly, telling people they can go to the cult's website for more information.

    A real possibility is TC offering Marty a multi-million settlement to shut up & bury the evidence which, knowing Marty, he might give in to.
  33. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    I hope TC's lawyer takes up MR's threat and sues the fuck out of him. It would be a case of Mutually Assured Destruction.
  34. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    People who go to law enforcement are often told NOT to tell people they've been to law enforcement. His silence on that point is not evidence that he has not been to law enforcement.

    Just saying.
  35. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    I suspect Marty is more concerned when the statutes of limitations expire on some of his past activities.
  36. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    That may be true, law enforcement may not believe him for reasons I stated in my post and did not intend for his silence to be evidence, he has been out for two years that alone is not evidence either.

    And most importantly that "sometimes" law enforcement asks you not to say anything, is not evidence either.

    We can only work with information that we have. And the information that we have gives no sign that he has spoken to law enforcement, if I recall correctly that Marty has said he would not be willing to speak with them. And Marty has also said, that he does not "do interrogations".
  37. mrfyde Member

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    This is my post I didn't intend to make it anonymous.
  38. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    At least one of the two, Rathbun or Miscavige, must be completely crazy.
  39. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    Four to five and a half years. He left the Sea Org in early 2004 (just after the musical chairs incident). Left the CoS about a year later, IIRC. Brief bios of more former Scientology members who have come forward - St. Petersburg Times

    I wrote "often", not "sometimes". I read your previous post as erring on the side of assuming that BECAUSE we haven't heard that he has spoken with law enforcement, therefore it's likely that he hasn't and prefers simply to dangle something in front of Miscavige. That's how your post read to me. I was just debunking that logic.

    I do not recall him having said he would not be willing to speak with LE. I could be wrong, but I don't believe he has said it. Dox please.
  40. mrfyde Member

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    I am not trying to speak as if I am under oath, I am sorry that a said two years I should have said at least two. You are likely correct that it has been longer. But if splitting hairs is your game he still has been out for two years. I fail to see how being out longer would strengthen your case.


    I should not have put "sometimes" in quotation marks, sorry.

    That statement was [STRIKE]not[/STRIKE] made to suggest that we should not assume information that we do not have. Is that the logic you are trying to debunk ?

    I wrote:

    That is not a claim, it is a statement that I made I was going from memory. I believe it came from this thread.

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/7-chit-chat/marty-rathbuns-squirrel-group-38608/2/

    from about 7 months ago.

    If you don't find anything there feel free to PM me and I will look further for it.

    EDIT: on the last part It was not a quote from Marty, it was someone who was reporting an alleged quote from Marty. It is not a direct quote. in the sited thread. However Marty has said that he does not do interrogations.

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