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  1. Anonymous Member

    Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    I think the international media and representatives of Nicole Kidman, Pat Kingsley & Katie Holmes would be interested in this. Hopefully, Mark will shed more light on Tom Cruise's personal role in abusing others (mimicking DM's behavior) and who the victims were.

    This could really damage TC's career and force the actor to reconsider hisfriendship & relationship with DM & TD.
    [Moderator note:
    Welcome Glosslip readers. Here is some background information which may help you to understand what is going on:

    David Miscavige (DM) is the self-annointed leader of Scientology - with the formal position of Chairman of the Board, RTC. He is one of Tom Cruise's best friends.

    Marty Rathbun (MR) is the former Inspector General of the RTC, one of the highest positions in Scientology. He has left the official Church of Scientology, is now practicing Scientology independently, and has spoken out about some of the abuses he witnessed and took part in. Along with him, fourteen other Scientologists who worked with DM have spoken out to the St. Petersburg Times (in St. Petersburg, Florida). Many former Scientologists still dislike Rathbun, because he has not issued public apologies or turned himself in to law enforcement, but rather deals with his former victims in a one-on-one fashion or by evading them.

    Tommy Davis (TD) is the leader of the Scientology Celebrity Centre in Los Angeles, and has been the main spokesperson for Scientology since Mike Rinder left the Church of Scientology. (Rinder also spoke out to the St. Petersburg Times.) Tommy Davis was the main figure in the famous BBC Panorama documentary where John Sweeney and Davis ended up acting as Scientologists on camera. Davis is also the son of actress Anne Archer.

    Bertram Fields is one of Tom Cruise's lawyers. He had asked Rathbun to stop saying that he had been Tom Cruise's auditor (spiritual counselor) due to privacy reasons, but it was public knowledge that Rathbun was Cruise's auditor.

    The following letter is Rathbun's response to Fields.
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    Top Gun and Hired Gun put on notice - August 26, 2009

    Bertram Fields
    Greenberg, Glusker, et al.
    1900 Avenue of the Stars
    Los Angeles, CA 90067

    August 12, 2009

    re: Your letter of August 7 received August 10 via email


    Dear Bert,

    It is great to hear from you. I appreciate the civil tone of your letter as well as its appeal to reason.

    Because I also appreciate the fact that you have championed fundamental human rights for many, I believe there is information you need to know concerning ongoing abuses that you are unwittingly supporting.

    Please take the time to consider the information I am providing in response to your expressed concerns. You may find that information raises more serious and far-reaching concerns to your client and you than those you have outlined.

    I will quote the entirety of your letter in sections by topic so that I clearly and thoroughly respond to each of the concerns you have expressed.

    “Apparently, you have repeatedly announced to the public that you were Tom’s ‘auditor’ at the Church of Scientology, and you have used that announcement, including Tom’s name, on your website to promote your business or profession.”

    Unfortunately, you apparently have been misinformed about my public utterances as well as my web blog reference. Nowhere have I used my past relationship with Tom for purposes of promoting either a business or profession.

    I do not run any business. I have never used Tom’s name in a promotional context. I am a person who helps many people who have been abused by David Miscavige.

    That includes someone you know personally, Mike Rinder, whom I witnessed Miscavige savagely beat on at least a dozen occasions. Bert, I am not talking about an isolated incident.

    I am referring to more than a dozen incidents wherein David Miscavige performed aggravated assault on the same person you and your lovely wife dined with at the Celebrity Center.

    Three witnesses to this type of activity on Miscavige’s part corroborated me a series of articles published in the St. Petersburg Times 21-23 June. You can view that multi-media presentation at the following link:

    Scientology: The truth rundown | Tampabay.com St. Petersburg Times

    Since that initial series another eleven eye witnesses to Miscavige’s human rights violations have stepped forward and gone on record. Their accounts can be seen at the following link:

    Strength in their numbers: More Church of Scientology defectors come forward with accounts of abuse - St. Petersburg Times

    Each public utterance I have made concerning Tom has been made in his defense. I witnessed Tom’s career and public image plummet following Miscavige orchestrating the firing of Pat Kingsley and replacing her with Tom’s Scientologist sister so that Miscavige could manipulate Tom’s public discourse and censor Tom’s exposure to information concerning Miscavige’s human rights abuses.

    I have defended Tom – while keeping his confessions sacrosanct – by emphatically emphasizing that Tom’s questionable public behavior in 2004 and 2005 was simply a reflection of Miscavige’s influence; and that prior to Miscavige imposing himself into every aspect of Tom’s life he was a caring, loving family man, dedicated to worthy social causes, and was the nicest person anyone would ever want to meet.

    “This is not only a serious invasion of Tom’s privacy and a violation of the priest-penitent relationship, it is the unauthorized use of Tom’s name to promote a business or professional venture, which is a clear violation of Tom’s common law and statutory rights.”

    I have not and would never disclose any confidences of Tom’s nor anyone else’s whom I have counseled. If Tom has concerns about that type of activity he should be very concerned about the activities of Miscavige.

    He has shown he is willing to do precisely what you have mistakenly accused me of doing. Miscavige and his Church sycophants have been roundly criticized for the wholesale public disclosure of coerced confessions in response to the whistle blowing actions of myself, Mike, Tom Devocht and Amy Scobee (reference the St Pete Times Truth Rundown Series).

    For more on Miscavige’s proclivity for using confessions for purposes of blackmail, coercion and control please see my video taped interview segment at: Scientology: Marty Rathbun video | Tampabay.com St. Petersburg Times

    If Tom is worried about me mentioning his name and the fact of my having audited him, again his concern should more properly be directed at Miscavige. Not only did Miscavige direct the public release of confessions, he suborned the perjury of a number of his underlings, and specifically had them state under oath that I never had a position of authority within the Religious Technology Center and had no training as an auditor.

    The best evidence of that perjury is that in 2001 through 2003 Miscavige personally assigned me as Inspector General RTC – the second highest ecclessiastical position in the religion – to coordinate Tom’s divorce from Nicole and to serve as his auditor.

    Notwithstanding the fact Miscavige has directed his people to publicly call me a “fucking lunatic”, “psychotic”, “thug with an emeter”, “apostate”, “deprogrammer”, and “hit man” you and Tom have enough experience with me to know I can maintain my composure under pressure. I have done just that to protect Tom at every turn.

    Dozens of former Church members have turned to me livid about Tom’s continuing public support for Miscavige. I have dissuaded each and every one of them from attacking Tom publicly.

    I have also counseled people who were abused by Tom personally – in matters that eerily resemble the behavior of Miscavige – to give Tom the time to get educated and do the right thing which I have convinced them he ultimately will do.

    “Just imagine a Catholic Priest leaving the Church and then trying to drum up business as a lay-therapist by advertisting that he had been Frank Sinatra’s confessor. Most people would consider that disgusting and reprehensible. Yet, what you are doing is exactly the same.”

    Bert, I believe your analogy is inapt. Please imagine for a moment that a Catholic Cardinal witnessed the Pope engaging in and condoning on an institutional level the molestation of altar boys.

    Imagine the Pope blatantly used his relationship with Frank Sinatra to project to Catholics and the general public an image quite contrary and more upstanding and holy than could be expected to engage in the unlawful and reprehensible activity he was in fact engaged in.

    Imagine the Pope, when confronted with the truth, publicly published the confessions of the whistleblowing Cardinal, claimed he was never a Cardinal to begin with – not even a Priest – and was therefore never in a position to witness what he in fact did witness.

    And imagine the Pope continued to tout Frank Sinatra’s support of him and while hiding behind that endorsement carried on authorizing the abuse of children across the world.

    Put yourself into the shoes of the Cardinal. Would you consider it an unethical decision for that Cardinal to ask publicly, “if I was never a Cardinal, and I was never a priest, how is it that the Pope invested so much trust in me that he personally assigned me to counsel Frank Sinatra”?

    And would you criticize that Cardinal if he went out of his way to defend Sinatra’s character and sought to distinguish it from the corrupt, pedophile Pope?

    Now, to make my analogy even more accurate, assume the Cardinal is approached by former members of the Vatican and Sinatra’s inner circles seeking solace and guidance in dealing with their own experiences at the hands of the Pope and Sinatra.

    Assume also that they witnessed the Pope continuing to commit the cruelest abuses in the name of Sinatra.

    I do not believe it would be your contention that the Cardinal should remain silent while knowing that the corrupt Pope and Sinatra are engaged in violations of civil and human rights on an ongoing basis.

    If you believe I am weaving an unreal analogy, you might want to touch base with someone you know better than me — Mike Rinder (******@*****.net). He can tell you that my analogy is both accurate and appropriate. He can also tell you how far beyond the call of duty I have gone to protect Tom in all this.

    To better understand my motivations and actions I invite you and your client to study my web blog – and its links – at: Moving On Up a Little Higher

    Finally, I believe that as one of America’s most respected attorneys and human rights advocates you would be remiss if you did not directly hand this letter to your client.

    That means personally hand it to Tom: not Tommy Davis, Lee Anne nor anybody other than your client. I believe Tom will be doing himself a terrible disservice if he does not carefully read and view the entirety of each link I have provided herein.

    Rest assured, I have Tom’s best interests at heart.


    Sincerely,

    Marty Rathbun

    Moving On Up a Little Higher
  2. Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

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  3. Smurf Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    This is going to get very interesting... once the media gets hold of this info, TD & DM are going to have a very difficult time with their phony PR ploys.

    I would love to see an interview between Matt Lauer & Tom Cruise with Lauer asking Cruise about the coordinated breakup with Kidman and the coordinated affair & marriage with Katie Holmes.

    Tom would have a meltdown.
  4. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    This letter is good and on point, except that Marty here hints at the contents of "confidential" information, namely
    Now, to say that he was Tom's auditor/priest would not be a violation of privacy, but I don't think the two quoted parts here were necessary, and are borderline violations of privacy IMO.

    Apart from that, good letter.
  5. Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    The criminal organization would find some cocked up excuse to sue Marty anyway, even if he did nothing wrong. It doesn't matter at this point. He's fighting a dirty war, as it should be. It's the right step in the right direction if he wants to gain any credibility with critics.
  6. bAnon Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    "I think we got some sauce here....shall we cook up that stew?"

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  7. SomeRandGuy Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    I think it was an empty threat. Going through with any TC vs Marty lawsuit would be the most retarded thing to do right now. Media would latch onto this thing instantly, and imagine all the info that would get aired in the courtroom. It would be a foot-rocket.
  8. tazor Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    Okay, now we're seeing some cards laid out on the table.

    It's on.
  9. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    The letter was written in response to this one:

  10. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    Goin' to gawker (both Buttram's letter and the reply from Rathbun)

    Any fags going to send harpoons as well? This could get pretty damn large. DO WANT!
  11. Smurf Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    I sent it to Greta Van Sustern as a dig... can see her busily typing her KR on it.
  12. Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    This is interesting. Very interesting.

    I'm not sure where I stand on this, because I don't like MR. I think he might be a bit of a rat. On the other hand, I don't like Cruise at all, and am very sure that he's a rat.

    In sum^^^^this
  13. Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    I love Greta!
  14. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    Do you have a shred of evidence to support any of that character assassination? I see that your time acting as OSA's bitch served you well smurf.


    What the hell man? Nowhere in that letter does Rathburn say anything about TC abusing people. In fact he goes out of his way to stress that Mr. Cruise didn't abuse anyone and was isolated and kept in the dark about the alleged abuses of Mr. Miscavige.
  15. fitch2000 Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    lmao, good one
  16. fitch2000 Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    Any mods know who this anon is? Anyone know if this is even a real emaiL?

    Is my tinfoil too tight again?
  17. tazor Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    How's about this?

    "I do not believe it would be your contention that the Cardinal should remain silent while knowing that the corrupt Pope and Sinatra are engaged in violations of civil and human rights on an ongoing basis."

    I'd say that's as plain as the rather large nose on Tom Curise's face.
  18. Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    Can't they keep Tom Cruise, I'm not sure anyone out in reality wants him back.
  19. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    Yes
  20. Smurf Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    Lrn2read. Rathbun wrote:

    "Dozens of former Church members have turned to me livid about Tom’s continuing public support for Miscavige. I have dissuaded each and every one of them from attacking Tom publicly. I have also counseled people who were abused by Tom personally – in matters that eerily resemble the behavior of Miscavige – to give Tom the time to get educated and do the right thing which I have convinced them he ultimately will do."
  21. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    Why is Rathburn protecting Cruise?

    No-one (reasonable) expects him to use his privileged position to expose Tom's crimes. But why protect him to any extent?

    Man-love? Fear of hollywood-$$ funded prosecution? Desire to say everything is 'cos of DM? Something Other?

    [NB: I'm punting on a mix of the first and third...]
  22. bAnon Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    "TONIGHT!!! We gonna have some OSA trolling (very delicious), some Rathbun bashing (go easy, lotsa indigestions), and some flaming TC for desert."
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  23. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    Since you did, plox to TL;DR the entire OP?
  24. CoastalAnon Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    RE counseling people abused by Tom comment: It's not Tom's story, or even his auditing confessions being disclosed: it's the others' story, which MR, if he has their permission, is completely free to tell.
  25. bAnon Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    here ya go, ass clown
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  26. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    [IMG]

    Hooray for wife beaters!
  27. LarryBren Member

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    The above is correct IMO. But that does not mean that David Miscavige will listen to any reason and not sue. Miscavige is highly immature, prone to stupid off the cuff reactions, abusive actions and, I believe, could do something as majorly stupid as suing Marty or others exposing him.

    (Yes I understand that this could just be a suit from Tom Cruise but I don't see that happening in any way without Miscavige's direction for same. One way or another I guess this goes back to Miscavige if legal action comes of this, if only Marty having to justify his deep concern for what is really behind this whole mess. And anyway it's just my opinion).

    If Miscavige does in some way sue, I have a prediction. In both the defense of the suit and IMHO the countersuit truth spoken by many to expose Miscavige's abuses, crimes, lies and the like will be both unprecedented as to its scope and overwhelming. And the number of people who will be giving first hand accounts of the above will be like nothing they have seen before.

    Just a hunch here. It's going to happen here or it's going to happen later in some other litigation IMO.

    Can David Miscavige really be THAT stupid? Well we can hope while other legal actions run their course.
  28. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    Rathburn came out and in so many words has accused TC of the same sort of activity as DM i.e. beating people. Very subtle.

    I think his apparent "protection" of TC is just a nice polite way of saying to TC's lawyerfag "Hey I got the goods on this guy to so you better tread lightly here"

    It is a very subtle and not veiled threat.
  29. hotdog57 Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    Go Marty,
    if Tom wants to back D M then the bill has come in.
    and it time to pay the fiddler.
    Wow that Violin is going to sound sweet.
  30. doz3r Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    ^^THIS^^

    Its all part of the grand scheme by Rathbun.

    He fully intends to see DM taken down as head of the cult and install himself as the new COB. Mike Rinder will be his right hand bitch.. and TC will be their shillebrity sex toy.

    Let Rathbun keep "poking sticks into the tigers cage" and lets see if the tiger has any real teeth left - or is just a "puthy"
  31. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    You need to re-read MR's letter.
  32. Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    It's from Rathbun's blog. Moving On Up a Little Higher
  33. LocalSP Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    I like this thread. So I'm going sit right here with my big bowl of
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  34. XenuPhobic Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    Prediction: Marty gets a lawsuit
    Result: Shit backfires majorly in DM's face (reverse bukkake)


    Seriously though, I'm glad Marty is doing this...even if his motive is dubious.
  35. tazor Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    Here I was thinking we've done nothing BUT assinate Tom's character all along. And I enjoyed every minute of it. Was that wrong?
  36. Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    If this is real it has potential for Foot Gamma Ray Burst on the Co$!!!!
  37. YAHRLY Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    its like Freddy vs Jason
    who ever wins, we're still left with one monster to fight
  38. CoastalAnon Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    How does one 'assinate?' I assume TC and DM know how.
    I guess you do too, and you enjoy it. Every minute.
  39. Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    Digg & Gawkerise this shit NOW!
  40. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

    Betcha can't guess who this is?

    Thoughtful posted in comments... August 26, 2009

    Bert and Tom:

    I can personally corroborate what Marty has said here in regards to Miscavige physically abusing staff.

    I saw Miscavige attack Mike with my own eyes, saw him bash Mike’s head into the wall, and in response, I choose to give up everything, restarting life at nearly 50 with no money, no job, nothing… rather than continue to support a sick impostor who refuses to embody what it means to be a Scientologist. Few people ever face the prospect of giving up everything — family, friends, shelter — and walking out into the unknown.

    I was there, Tom, when you toured Cine late one night in — what was it, September 2004? We were all placed there at various stations and made to rehearse our actions by David Miscavige. We weren’t really working… we were acting, for you. In other words, what you saw was a contrived scene.

    We were drilled on what to say and do. All David Miscavige has ever shown you of Sea Org activities at the Int Base was preceded by his staff going in advance carefully arranging everything you were to see on your walk through. It’s time you grew up and came to grips with reality, just like the rest of us.

    Tom, These are times in which every Scientologist will be measured against LRH’s yardstick of Personal Integrity. You know the words — but do they mean the same thing to you now as they meant when you first read them?

    “Personal integrity is knowing what you know – what you know is what you know – and to have the courage to know and say what you have observed. And that is integrity. And there is no other integrity.

    Of course we can talk about honor, truth, all these things, these esoteric terms. But I think they’d all be covered very well if what we really observed was what we observed. That we took care to observe what we were observing. That we always observed to observe.

    And not necessarily maintaining a skeptical attitude, a critical attitude, or an open mind. But certainly maintaining sufficient personal integrity and sufficient personal belief and confidence in self and courage that we can observe what we observe and say what we have observed.

    Nothing in Dianetics and Scientology is true for you unless you have observed it. And it is true according to your observation. That is all.”

    What Marty and others are doing is not about criticism. It’s about Personal Integrity: we who have come forward to say what we have observed, measure up. You need to lay aside any bias or fixed ideas, and examine the facts for yourself. See what you see, not what you are told you see.

    Thoughtful

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