Discussion in 'Independent Scientology' started by Anonymous, Nov 30, 2012.
That's much too reasonable a post. Completely out of line.
The "dox" we have are Marty and Mosey's testimony about some comments from one of the PIs that they felt were racist. A situation like that isn't going to come with third party verification.
Of course it is possible that Marty is lying about the comments. But the alleged comments aren't much different from other examples of menacing behavior from the Scientologists toward him that we've seen on video tape.
I have no interest in helping Marty specifically. But I am interested drawing public attention to Scientology's habit of Fair Game. In that regard I think this situation is useful.
Perhaps to learn more about what's happening we could research the PIs who are living in that house near Rathbun. Anyone know their names?
Marty is a trained liar, extensively trained in lying by Scientology Tech.
Marty running scared from a confederate flag bumper sticker in Texas?
I say bullshit.
/ edit, Marty's new digs in nowheresville.
Are you saying that you would support Fair Game of people you don't like?
How much do you have to pay on the U.S. real estate market to get such a house?
Bob Duggan is our resident OT-8 and Reed Slatkin's mentor. Maybe read his comment again with that in mind.
If a rule against Fair Game doesn't protect douchebags from being a target of Fair Game, then it doesn't protect anyone.
Objectives . . . just what we need.
Texas Penal Code 30.05:
I stand corrected - thank you.
From here: http://www.caller.com/news/2011/sep/20/san-patricio-county-rejects-charge-against/
In the pedal boat video Marty mentioned "Falcon Investigations," "Ralph S Gomez," and "David Lebow." Not sure of the spellings.
I did a business search on Falcon Investigations and came up with 25 entries. Don't know which one is correct or if these are related companies or not.
<sigh> . . . do we know if they are even still there?
Scientology hire PIs for good time long time!
^ Actually, I tend to agree.
But my point was I think that MARTY IS LYING about his reasons for moving.
Lying liars lie.
ZOMG, poor Marty can't handle a Confederate Flag bumper sticker in TEXAS?
/ tinfoil speculation on /
So my best guess is Marty is omitting something important in his reason for leaving, he has instead come up with a shore story.
/ tinfoil speculation off /
Well now his new location is known so we shall see what happens if dm of scientology wants him gone now will be the time to do it.
Out for 2-1/2 decades and every now and then I still discover some sort of magikal thinking remnant from Scn that blocks my personal happiness and peace.
Taking huge, unnecessary risks due to a combination of magikal thinking combined with years of "do or die" is a type of destructive thinking deeply imbedded in the Scn mindset.
Debasing one's self, health, personal goals and life beyond one's use as a pawn to the contribution of the "greatest good" is a convoluted, extremly destructive form of thinking that is brainwashed into all Scientologists.
The mind fuck doesn't just go away.
I don't support what MR writes, promotes and does with these victims to keep this self-denying type of dedication in place, many of which I know personally as friends. He actively recruits those who have left into his group - even those who have been out for years, sparking up the brainwashing program all over again. MR is obviously enjoying personal financial benefits from this, judging from the new, expansive spread where he's just moved, supposedly without any planning and primarily due to personal persecution.
Grebe, you have little in common with MR. Please put some distance there. Though I see your point, you and MR aren't even vaguely similar. I'm truly sorry YOU are being harassed though. Try not to tie up your thoughts and mind about it - most of the effects of harassment are due to the fears instilled in us much, much earlier and our reactions to these - and OSA knows this and plays on it.
So what more is there to speculate about? Marty has moved to be near Ray Jeffrey, the lawyer who successfully negotiated what I'm guessing are multi-million dollar settlements from the cult for Debbie Cook and the PIs who followed Pat Broeker for decades. Surely he'll be working with Jeffrey on future cult-related matters.
Didn't even require tinfoil for that one.
Texas Penal Code 30.05(a) – (b):
You can read my previous post perfectly well and see I never said that and don't try any crap that if I'm not condemning it then I'm supporting it. Bit by bit, Marty's group is just coming out with the same crap as CoS - the fixed donations, the disconnection, the support for harmful Hubbard quackery. As long as my arse points south I'm not going to support, or be involved with shit like that. I'm disgusted by the people who want to do so but I'm not going to whine about it on here all the damned time.
All this crap because Marty's moving house and a heap of butthurt over the Free Mosey thread. Don't even start me on the OSA allegations but this place is getting as bad as WITP with their cointelpro paranoia.
In Texas, can Marty legally shoot trespassers?
Oh, yeah. There are a few niceties to observe -- for instance, if the assholes are inside his home when they're shot (or are dragged in later without a lot of blood skid markss), he not only gets off scot-free, but gets a parade.
Sure I just don't think he has the guts to do it
the virtue of the new place looks to be that it isn't easily surveilled. No nearby places where the PIs can hang out and eat squirrel melts
^ That's true however 1 guy can go in covert do the deed and leave quitely
Do the deed. You mean fart? Shit in a paper bag and set it on fire on his front porch?
Indeed they do. But unfortunately, they are deeply conditioned into not being able to see/accept that kind of help.
Nope. But the Squibs own vids on youtube, the cult's online mag smear campaign that lumped in Lawrence Wright, Jeff Hawkins et al w/ Mahty camp, other real world media coverage which has included Squib responses on one VV occaision, Bert Leahy's coming clean on his employment ordeal proving it was true and TO riding in the back of the pickup when they scoped out the rented home w/ cameras + his interview with former ex-cop PIs -- that big long diversified trail is enough for me. But YMMV if indie-haet makes you blind.
IOW DOX or GTFO is still satisfied even when the church culties are so fking stupid they dox their own Fair Game shenanigans and it's backed up with other independently witnessed/attested-to means... right?
However, that said - this is the real problem making things so messy ITT to sort out right from wrong...
Yet Grebe's point about long-term surveillance = Fair Game. And Fair Game is Fair Game, still stands & I'm onboard with that sage thought even though I don't care for Marty much. That is all.
Probably why he did the photo advertisement of the place, it's for his customers who want more privacy.
Marty has several pics of his property (or rental) up at the link, 3 pics of the dirt road going in, 2 pics of the surrounding mature trees and growth, 1 pic of the actual house. It almost looks like a welcome mat.
If you really mean business when you say you are for free speech and human rights, you have to stand up for people saying things that are contrary to your own opinions.
I don't want Scientology to Fair Game anyone, including vile Narconon supporters like Rathbun.
The way I see it, I have to choose my battles wisely.
I'd go to battle for you. Not for MR. As for those saying things with which I don't agree - if they are true, I respect that. If not, I don't.
Uh, the point isn't whether anyone here agrees with Rathbun -- it's whether he should have full access to the same civil rights (to wit, protection from fair gaming) that any other citizen has.
What say you on that one?
^ For Marty Rathbun's prior acts with scientology he has no rights anyone can do with him whatever they may please with my blessing.
In other words he is Fair Game. Got it.
^ yes he is and even more he deserves whatever he gets along with Rinder
^^ That's not me that said that. Mod can verify.
^ No it wasn't anyone other than an anon however Marty Rathbun & Mike Rinder were enforcers for a criminal organization and they deserve that no quarter be given they have no rights.
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