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Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

Discussion in 'Independent Scientology' started by Terril, Nov 2, 2010.

  1. Terril Member

    Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    Hi,
    Most of you know me as a Freezoner.

    On Marty's blog he just asked me for data that LRH was behind the
    operation Freakout campaign re Paulette Cooper. Gave a few URLs that were
    not IMO definitive, but not being a critic don't have such at hand. Gave some URLs
    which Marty wouldn't post and he then castigated me.

    I would like an URL that states that COS/LRH/ GO/ Mary Sue had a campaign to
    get her arrested on bomb threats. The ones I found were good but not really
    definitive. Not being a critic I don't keep such to hand.

    I would also like to contact Paulette, and if possible to address this on Marty's
    blog, have her post there, or mail me a post which I can forward.

    basic2basic@yahoo.com

    Note that I'm really a supporter of Marty's efforts but currently think he needs his bottom smacked.

    Its good that he asks for such data. Its good he's allowed my somewhat critical posts and even more critical posts of others.

    Its good that those on his forum are exposed to all this.

    I may not be allowed to post there anymore. I can though mail him.

    bb
  2. Jeff Jacobsen Member

  3. LocalSP Member

    re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    Paulette comes here from time to time, perhaps you can ask her yourself.
  4. Anonymous Member

  5. Anonymous Member

  6. Anonymous Member

    re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    <blinks>

    a FZ'r comes to anon for dox to debunk marty's hot air.

    hmmmm. errr... uhhhh.... do not know if i want 2say "wow" or "woot"
  7. LocalSP Member

    re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    The only thing I can think of right now is...if Terril can see through Marty's Bullshit then there is hope.
  8. RightOn Member

    re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    Hi Terril! keep us posted
  9. Anonymous Member

    re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    source: Declaration of Tonja Burden (7 November 1983)


  10. conatus Member

    re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    Interesting. I try not to go to Mah-ty's place too much, usually being satisfied with the tidbits ferried over here. But it is interesting to see other voices emerging - and being allowed to be heard - with 'inconvenient' views and first-hand knowledge of pre-DM Scientology. Jesse Prince, even. Reinforces my notion of it as a useful step for many out of cult-think, warts and all.

    I hope someone is backing his blog up for historical purposes, lotsa testimony there.
  11. Anonymous Member

    re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    Operation Freakout

    ^Images of all original GO dox for Operation Freakout are available at that link.

    MSH ran GO at the time. See affidavits in the above post. Hubbard damn well knew what was up. MSH ran the GO. The GO ran the OP.


    frk11.gif


    For Marty to claim otherwise is simply lying. If you need anything else, just ask.
  12. Anonymous Member

    re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    Terril, would you mind (and I am NOT trolling) reconciling the statements in bold?

    Simply put, your comments boil down to:
    I support Marty, but he's wrong on this one and I want to prove it.
    It's good he is allowing more critical comments to be posted.
    But my critical comments may mean I can't post there anymore.

    WTF?

    It's his blog and he can do as he likes, but why spend your time where limits are placed on the truth?
  13. subgenius Member

    re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    Marty and co. will never believe anything bad about lrh.
    If he was so cool and awesome, how did Operations Freakout/Snow White happen without his knowledge?
    Oooops. Guess he wasn't so OT, eh?
    All logic and evidence will fall on the deaf ears of the true believer.
    Your breath, don't waste it.
  14. frankenfag Member

    re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox


  15. Anonymous Member

    re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    Protip:

    Marty's a douche, who'll lash out at any other answer than the one he's looking for.
  16. Anonymous Member

    re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    Marty only contends that lrh himself ordered operation freakout.
    This is the official partyline of the CoS as well as of many independent Scientologists that lrh himself did not order operation freakout.
  17. Smurf Member

  18. Anonymous Member

    re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    Aaron Saxton? Is Aaron back?
  19. Ironhead Member

    re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    Aaron couldn't be more awesome if he tried.
  20. Anonymous Member

    re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    This is the best evidence so far that Hubbard was directly involved:
    Declaration of Tonja Burden (7 November 1983)
  21. Anonymous Member

    re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    I lol'd. Go read that article and the comments section if you enjoy this kind of drama.
  22. Anonymous Member

    re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    /r/ Rule 34
  23. Caliwog Member

    re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    Censored by Marty (tm)! Welcome to the club. Remember, any and all censored comments are welcome at this page on my blog:

    Censored by Marty | Caliwog's Blog

    ML,
    Caliwog
    caliwog.wordpress.com
  24. Caliwog Member

    re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    Aaron has written a few articles for my blog. You can see them here:

    Aaron Saxton | Caliwog's Blog

    He also posts lots more in the comments section, and it's all gold. "Homo Anus." Hah!

    ML,
    Caliwog
    caliwog.wordpress.com
  25. re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    Here’s Paulette Cooper’s Website.
    Paulette Cooper, Welcome to my site!

    You contact Paulette Cooper here. Paulette Cooper says she would love to hear from you.

    Paulette Cooper is more involved in art than in fighting Scientology these days though she still fights Scientology a bit. She’s done a great deal and she’s endured a great deal, other people have taken over a large part of the fight against Scientology. The Ex Scientologist Message Board may suit you as well as this site.
  26. jensting Member

    Re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    Hell yes, let's jump on anyone who tries to keep a teensy weensy bit of information flow between different groups opposed to the operation of the criminal organisation known as the "church" <spit> of Scientology.

    1/10

    Best Regards

    Jens
  27. Sponge Member

  28. Re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    We’ve discussed Marty endlessly without coming to any agreement. It’s possible he’s gradually adjusting to the world outside Scientology and allowing more criticism. Terril understands that he may have to face the dreaded banhammer and what he’s doing isn’t causing harm as far as I can see.

    Terril, don’t spend too much time on Marty’s site as being banned from a favourite site can hurt, you need other sites and other contacts online and offline.

    On reflection we shouldn’t be too hopeful that Marty will change, he’s been out of the CO$ for about ten years and if he’s changing it’s happening very slowly.
  29. Anonymous Member

  30. Re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    [strike]Go to a different IP Adress, not your usual one so Marty can't trace the IP to you, start a new account and post that.[/strike] That might not work because Marty reads here, still we can all remember that trick, there'll be other times we want to post something a website won't accept without getting banned from our regular IP Adress.
  31. Re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    It would be a very good idea to back up Marty’s blog. At the moment we don’t know of abuse in his organisation but if abuse ever surfaces we will want everything we can get against him and a record of what was on his website could be helpful.
  32. BusinessBecky Member

    Re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    Both Mike and Marty are already very well aware about the GO and the operations such as Snow White. Why would you put any kind of trust in someone that didn't know the true history of a product your interested in? That's like trusting a dentist to do open heart surgery.
  33. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    Nancy Many recalls a congratulatory telegram from Hubbard to some of the team who were either surveilling or harassing Paulette Cooper. I don't have the citation, but it's in her book.
  34. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    x
  35. Anonymous Member

    Re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    I too have posted these docs to Marty's blog, only to see his 'DOS' and sorry a bunch of posts have been deleted. Too convenient. I am still thinking that Marty's blog is simply a way of harvesting IP's of those who would be a threat to scientology.
  36. the anti Member

    Re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    marty, i hope you read this, stop being a massive piece of crap. I don't know about everyone else but if you don't stop you're also going to be my target. just not sure how raiding you would work
  37. Terril Member

    Re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    I'd forgotten about Nancy Manys comments on this. Someone posted this extract below on Marty's blog already.

    Note that my post did get through. I'll post the additional quote from her onto Marty's blog.


    "Nancy Many says that she was head of the covert intelligence operations out of the Boston intelligence unit during Snow White and Freak out. She once followed Paulette cooper. When orders came to break and enter cooper’s psychiatrist’s office and copy her file, Nancy refused to do it and lost her position. Within a week of the operation being successfully completed, Hubbard sent a telex personally congratulating the team. Later, she worked directly for Hubbard, setting up the move into Japan and working with Mary Sue and Diana."
  38. exOT8Michael Member

    Re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox


    Yes this is reliable info.
  39. Re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    It may be you have more leaway to post than others on Marty's blog, You seem to be influential in the Freezone.
  40. themadhair Member

    Re: Marty denies LRH Snowwhite connection - Bans freezoner for dox

    This is what proxies are for.

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