MARK BUNKER AND MARK LOWELL ARRESTED AT GOLD!

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Thank you for addressing the main issue here...

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Glad to see this has ended well in the short term. I'm sincerely hoping it also turns out well in the long-term, with the Co$ and the Rivercide Sheriff's Department getting assraep'd in court. The extremely rotund arresting officer should not have the legal authority to direct traffic, and Rivercide should be cleaned out by the feds.

Again, this is an absolute and galling outrage! What's next? 13-year-old girls being strip-searched by officers of the state (but not police officers) on suspicion of having prescription ibuprofen? Oh wait...

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Yes. It is the main issue.

That is to say, 'How to counter this type of situation so that it doesn't happen again.'. AKA, removing another 'trick' from the $cilon's Dirty Tricks Bag.


It is one way to have the 'voice' of Anonymous heard by only focusing on the guilty ERO, who must be an embarassment to his department.

Enough public heat, and his supervisors will be all over him to lose weight. No more unlimited donuts for the 'arrest happy' ERO.

And he will definitely NOT be so fast to do the bidding of his $cilon masters when they call.



Here's the trick. They must be made to feel the consequences of their illegal actions...personally.

It didn't matter to the ERO that it would be uncomfortable, inconvenient and possibly expensive for the Marks to be arrested....because...the ERO was not the one to suffer.

Bring the consequences of the ERO's actions...taken by his own volition...back to him...personally.

If he feels the same amount of discomfort...personally...that he brought down on the Marks, you can bet that he would never make those bogus arrests again.

It has to be demonstrated that being in cahoots with the $cilons is a losing proposition to them....personally.

The ERO could dish out discomfort in a seemingly gleeful fashion.

I wonder if he will receive discomfort with the same amount of glee. Hmmm?




This, as opposed to suing the Sheriff's Department or some other broadly applied action that would only alienate law enforcement.

IMO, it is best to remain of good terms with law enforcement whenever possible.



It also sends a very effective message.

"If you do the bidding of your $cilon masters by unlawfully persecuting legal protestors, there will be consequences to you...personally."



The same 'surgical' approach should be used to deal with Cult Ho Stone too. (The rumored bastard child of Elron.)

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You hate the CoS so much that it's interfering with your ability to look at this objectively I think. If it really upset you that much and "creeped you out" I can only think you're running on emotion here. And you're still stating that he's working for the CoS as though it's fact, even though you have no evidence. Oh and I'm sure you'd make things a whole lot easier on the protesters at Riverside by having some sort of viral dissemination campaign calling the cop fat.

Lol, ann says so much with such an economy of language.

Again you're correct. When I was talking about ambiguity, I was talking about the ambiguity of where people are allowed to protest at gold. But I do think that the department should go over these things again because they need to get it right.

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You can always tell when you are on an effective approach.

The board sociopath immediately makes a clumsy attempt at a distraction.



The beauty of this approach is that it highlights a real situation that does need attention. And a real offending party.

As opposed to arresting the Marks who were completely innocent legal protesters.



It's all about "bringing the heat to bear".

The bogus illegal arrest was all about "bringing the heat to bear".

There is more than one way to "bring the heat to bear".

The approach I have proposed is simply, legal, legitimate and...most of all...effective.

A good word to describe it would be...ELEGANT...in terms of the beauty of it's simplicity, precision and effectiveness.



"There's more than one way to skin a cat."





Bring everything about the BS bogus illegal arrest out into the open and into the clean clear light of day.


"Hey, wait a minute, the video shows those guys were not blocking ingress or egress."

"Hey, the cops were taking orders from some civilian lady. Are they supposed to do that?"

"Hey, the one exceptionally rotund cop seems to be enjoying his BS bogus illegal bust. Something is wrong with that."

"Hey, the arresting cop must be close to 400 lbs. Is that allowed in the Sheriff's Department?"



This is all brought to the front due to the miracle of modern day video and the internet.


The lesson to be learned here...for the $cilons and their willing dupes...is that VIDEO DOCUMENTS EVERYTHING.

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Sociopath? Surely you're joking, Oswald. Herro is often wrong, but when he's right you should listen to him.

Picking on an officer for being "fat" is so totally fail that I'd like to send you a diploma to certify your fail. Neither the sheriff's department, the public, or the protesters in general would like that.

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Joking? No. Not at all.

The only "picking on' that was happening was the ERO "picking on" the Marks because he was doing the bidding of his $cilons masters.

The Sheriff's Department has it's own rules and regulations regarding weight and physical requirements. It's not "picking on" anyone. It's simply bringing attention to the fact that one of their officers is NOT meeting the requirements of the Sheriff's Department.

If you are a law enforcement officer, you have a duty to be in far far better shape than the ERO as you have to be able to physically intervene when it is called for. The arresting ERO is only in shape for donuts. Lots of donuts.


As regards the arresting ERO's physical condition as a LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, he is NOT free to be in any kind of shape whatever. It is a VIOLATION of policy.

Before you whine about "picking on", remember that the arresting ERO went to school, undertook the training and is FULLY AWARE of his LEGAL OBLIGATION to maintain proper physical condition.




If the ERO thought it would be fun to "pick on" the Marks...see how he likes it when he is brought under scrutiny.


The whole incident was about bringing people under scrutiny.

The $cilons did it to the Marks. The arresting ERO looked to be enjoying doing the bidding of his $cilon masters. Ya know...this type of behavior is NOT free of consequence.

Well...this includes the ERO. He is under scrutiny too.

And in a way that he probably would never have suspected.


He was bringing the Marks under scrutiny. Why should the ERO be any different?




Karma. What can I say?




The $cilons were attempting to capitalize on a possible VIOLATION of law.

The arresting ERO seemingly enjoyed seizing upon a possible VIOLATION of law.

The video clearly shows that the arresting ERO is in unquestionable VIOLATION of Sherrif's Department Rules and Regulations governing REQUIRED PHYSICAL CONDITIONS for their officers.



As it turns out, it was the ERO that was the one caught in a legitimate VIOLATION of Department policy.




The Marks were NOT in VIOLATION.

The arresting ERO IS IN VIOLATION.



Law Enforcement Officers are LEGALLY OBLIGED to maintain minimal physical standards as a REQUIREMENT OF THEIR EMPLOYMENT.

The ERO is in VIOLATION. Simple as that.


If someone wanted to "bring the heat to bear", this is a very very effective way to do it.

If the $cilons and their Cult minions in law enforcement want scrutiny...fine. Bring it on.


Let the chips fall where they may.


The only non-$cilon in VIOLATION that day was the arresting ERO.

Let's see how the ERO likes the scrutiny of his VIOLATION.


If you want a way to send a VERY EFFECTIVE MESSAGE to the $cilons and also to those that do their bidding...you have it.


An illegal arrest is not a light matter.

If not answered, the $cilons will continue to use it.

It must be answered.

And now...you have the means.

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dox or GTFO

Not just any dox, but Riverside County Sheriff's Dept. dox

We are not talking about what it takes to graduate from the academy or get hired. That has nothing to do with a deputy who's probably been on the force for a few years.

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Oswald, you are right about the deputy's behavior, but IMHO the weight issue is a distraction. And you tend to be TL;DR.

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I agree with you about the importance of getting all the facts out there, but I can't see what would be gained from discussing body weight in this context.

Oh, the fun that we could have, though. "They call themselves Anonymous. They are hackers on steroids. And today, they announced a new internet campaign codenamed Operation Fat Bastard. In a sinister video on YouTube, they described their aim as the abolition of the donut shop in its present form..."

Glad to see this news, but yeah, I hope the Marks take further action.

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I hope you didn't waste too much time writing all of that because it's mostly invalid for two simple reasons: you have no evidence that this cop was "doing the bidding of scientology," you just desperately want that to be the case. Secondly, bringing up the cop's weight is going to piss off the entire sheriff's department. If there is one thing that will piss off a cop, it's perceived disrespect. As I and several others have pointed out, it's a bad idea. Let it go.

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Yes, we do.

Fat pig didn't arrest Mark Lowell on his own. Fat pig babbled nonsense about not being allowed to cross in front of the gates. Utter rubbish.

Scientology Crow cawed..ARREST HIM...Fat pig did so..is this the same Fat Pig who said he had no choice at the police station. It is a lie. He did have a choice according to the law. He chose to do the bidding of the Crow.

The Case dismissed for lack of evidence.


Crow Cawed, Pig Oinked, DA said Dox or GTFO.

Mark Lowell vindicated.

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My dear Ann, you are wrong again.


The ERO's weight is a VIOLATION.

He wanted to get picky...along with his $cilon masters...about VIOLATIONS.

Well, he is a walking VIOLATION.


Cult Ho Stone and his Smarmy Army passed an ordinance that was all about VIOLATIONS.


If one side can do illegal arrests based upon bogus VIOLATIONS and attempt to create additional VIOLATIONS by creating unnecessary (and clearly orchestrated by a Cult) ordinances, the other side is completely justified in citing a 100% legitimate VIOLATION.





The $cilons don't really care about some driveways being blocked. It was all about "bringing the heat to bear" on the protestors.

The driveway was nothing other than a vehicle for this.


Just as the ERO's VIOLATION of Department physical standards is a vehicle for a counter move.


The effectiveness of Anonymous with the $cilons is that pretty much everything is being shown in the clean clear light of day.

The Cult and it's minions have been exposed right, left and center.


This includes the willing dupes in law enforcement.


Do the Cult bidding and do bogus arrests and YOU will be under scrutiny...personally.


We cannot do bogus illegal arrests of the offending Cult Ho officers (not that we would want to), but, we can go public about VIOLATIONS.



Let's see what the public has to say about this.

I guarantee you that if this get's any new whatsoever, the arresting ERO will get heat like he never has before.

Then let's see how quick he is to do his $cilon masters' bidding in the future.


What several of you are missing here is that this move by the $cilons must result in the discomfort being felt by the people that cause it...personally. Otherwise, they will keep doing it.


They couldn't care less what discomfort they cause others. Only what discomfort comes back on them.

"Bringing the heat to bear".





And what is, "TL;DR"? (Speak Engrish, please.) lol!

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You're not getting it.

It is not about body weight, it is about "bringing the heat to bear". This is done by a way of an actionable VIOLATION.


There are several VIOLATIONS that I noticed in the video.


1.) The $cilons may have done an illegal citizen's arrest.

They have a ton of money and we don't. No problem. Use what we do have.


2.) The Sheriff's may be legally liable by choosing to facilitate a citizen's arrest.

This approach would also be very costly and would alien the Sheriff's Department and other LEO departments. We don't want to alienate the good cops.


3.) The arresting ERO and his flagrant VIOLATION of Department physical standards.

THIS is inexpensive and lends itself to the asymetrical approach for which Anonymous is known.

Let's see what THE PUBLIC thinks about the efficacy of having a "Cult owned" 400 lb. Sheriff's Deputy as a 'defender of the public good'.



The arresting ERO doesn't have to get fired or anything.

It's just to let the $cilons and their lapdog deputy that they will be the recipient of the discomfort that they sought to mete out to others.

Believe me, if the Sheriff's Department's PR people see the public seeing their officers like the ERO, they will make changes. It will reverberate throughout the department.

Asymetrical 'warfare'. It works.


If the Marks want to spend the money on legal challenges...so be it.


My suggested approach is cheaper and, I believe, more effective.

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Oh rummy rummy rummy, what are we going to do with you? Oswald was claiming that the cop was doing the bidding of his Scientology masters. And there is no evidence of that. He thought they were in violation of the law and thought that he needed to enforce the citizens arrest. He was wrong about the law. Can you criticize him for his lack of understanding of the law? Absolutely. Can you claim he's working on behalf of the scientologists? Absolutely not, unless you don't care about that pesky thing called the truth.

Edit: Oswald, you do realize that bolding and tying "VIOLATION" in all caps doesn't make your idea any more valid, right?

Also, the prosecutor's office and sheriff's department are going to be very reluctant to initiate disciplinary actions in a case like this because they want the officers to think they have their backs and they don't want to go after them over relatively trivial matters.

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Yep. Like I said.

I can always tell when I am 100% right on target.

Zerro can't help but attempt the distraction fails.

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Oswald: tl;dr = Too long; didn't read. We use it to say "Respectfully, your post is a bit longer than it has to be". And your post just re-states the same point over and over. We said it would not be well recieved by the public or the sheriff's department.
If you're trying to make some kind of legal claim, that sort of fails too, because
1) You don't know if the officer is in violation of physical standards - which have to do with physical tests rather than how you look.
2) It seems to me that this is a matter between the sheriff's department and the deputy.

Herro: The officer was indeed doing their bidding in this case. Why - if it was an honest mistake, corruption, fear - we don't know. He was letting himself be personal armied by Scientology. That should have legal or disciplinary consequences. (And not a LOL U FAT campaign consequence.)

edit:

Using his disagreement with an idea as a sign of its quality is just as bad as using his agreement. He's against good and bad ideas equally. That still doesn't make him a "sociopath".

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How funny.

TL,DR

How convenient.

That means you are attempting to refute something...you haven't read?

You disagree with something when you don't even know what it is?

Too funny.




This is NOT a LOL U FAT campaign.


Why do you insist on twisting this?


The reason I keep repeating it is because so many people ARE NOT GETTING IT.


LOL!



I'm glad that you see the sense of the need for "legal or disciplinary consequences".

That's exactly what I suggest.

If the Sheriff's Department won't do it by themsleves...which they probably won't...then that avenue is open to us.


DISCIPLINARY CONSEQUENCES?

For improper arrest? Good. It was a VIOLATION.

For improper physical condition? Good. It, too, is a VIOLATION.


Discomfort must be brought to bear as a consequence of a VIOLATION.


Really, it doesn't matter which VIOLATION.



The $cilons bogus citizen's arrest technique must be answered or they will keep using it.

The $cilons don't care how much discomfort they bring to others. But, they will care once they see that their lapdogs will no longer obey them due to the consequences of having done so prior.

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I'm starting to like Oswald more and more. In medieval times, traitors and other criminals would have their heads put on a pike as a warning to others. Fast forward a few centuries and go down a few orders of magnitude in both the severity of the action and the severity of the response, and you have this suggestion of targeting only the guilty in a surgical manner that accomplishes far more than wider actions. The one point in which I would agree with Herro is to leave Officer Fat Albert's ginormous weight out of it. Surgeon's main instruments are lasers and scalpels, not a claidheamh mòr.

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TC, when you agree with Zerro...well, birds of a feather.


Anyway, you guys have the "keys to the kingdom".

Do with it what you will.

Continue to keep twisting it, I suppose.

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What about the other people shredding your idea? Are they sociopaths as well?

Vir, i understand that the end result is that he "did their bidding" regardless of why he did it, and as I said, it's legitimate for him to be held accountable for it (although, for the reasons I stated earlier, I doubt that the prosecutor's office or the department would go after him for a mistake on something minor like this). However when you draw on a discourse of the officer "doing the bidding" of his "scilon masters," the implication is clear - he's doing it because he is basically working for them, instead of working on behalf of the community. Whether he's been paid off or threatened or whatever, you're implying that he's working for them, not for riverside county. There really is a world of difference between him doing this solely because the scilons told him to, and him doing this because he thinks that Lowell had in fact violated the law. The most logical explanation is the latter and you can't go around claiming that the guy is in the pocket of the CoS without any kind of evidence. I'm sorry, that's just the way things are. In considering whether or not the officer should be disciplined, the fact that it was Scientology that benefited from his actions should have no bearing upon anyone's conclusions here.

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Read my post again. The original meaning is that it wasn't read, but in common usage it just means it was longer than necessary - but might have been read anyway.

Sounds like a LOL U FAT campaign to me. We have no conclusive evidence that the officer is outside physical fitness standards. Maybe you have an indication to suspect it, but short of making the officer run laps for you, I don't know how you want to proceed on this.

Focus on what - if anything - he did wrong at Gold Base. And don't forget the liability for the "citizen" who ordered the arrest.

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Stay on target, focus mizz Dufus and Tommy who made the arrest. (Actually only the Marks have standing to do anything).

With the cops, it will come out in the wash as to their involvement, hopefully the Marks will act accordingly.

I don't see that the cops guilt-free or convicted. Speculation in fine by me, but the courts are the only opinion that really counts.

The Marks have said nothing of what their plans are, I think that's a good thing.

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And their willing evidence as to what happened.

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Agreed. When prosecutors do that, isn't it called "turning states' evidence", and isn't that an accepted part of the modern legal system? Stay friendly with the popo and hit the actual enemy hard on two fronts. The first front would, of course, be the lawsuit, and second, the weakening or loss of an ally in the form of the police.

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tl;dr

I read a couple of your posts out of interest, but when they started to get so repetitive, I stopped. The quality of the idea is not enhanced by the length and number of posts. No one is cheering it on. I think you need to accept that it doesn't have a fan base.

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This topic is like 3 months and 56 pages long. Chatted to death yet?

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Naw. The dog just rolled over, now we pet its other side.

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Did you miss that there was a major development this week?

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Nashville Anon got assaulted and cited for bullshit charges, six hours later on the same day, topic killed. Just sayin'

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Well, this whole "arrest and dismissal of charges" thing will need to be brought before the board.

I believe the police were supposed to come back before the board in 6 mo (IIRC) to let them know if there were any problems with it.

It seems that the DA's refusal to prosecute a couple of "trespassers"would show a problem - that 888 isn't any more effective than the current laws.

Maybe a polite meeting with the police to ask them to send a report to the supes would help THEM out too. They're beginning to see that it's the culties that are causing the bigger problem, not the protesters.

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It's 884. 888 was the urgency measure that was passed and soon after repealed.

The Marks were not arrested for violating 884. They were arrested on suspicion of violating California Penal Code 602.1(a).

It was an absolute crock, of course, and that is why the DA isn't pressing charges. As has been stated before, protestors are excluded from the provisions of both 602.1(a) and (b).

Doug showed the video of his arrest to the board. They weren't moved by it. I doubt they would be moved by the news that the charges were dropped.

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I guess it's back to work then...

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holy crap that's like ... one post a day

someone stop that anon he's on a posting RAMPAGGG

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My point was more like this user is around for one year and never heard of TL;DR ?

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Why not? Letting the county know that a really fat cop is really fat would be lulzy!!

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are the marks going to sue is there some new on this?

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Edit: Alright, fine. This is SR being a reasonable mod, for once [STRIKE]and succumbing to peer pressure[/STRIKE].

This thread is closed for now.

Mark Bunker has pretty much already made his announcement about this kerfluffle, and when and if Mark Lowell decides to add more to this conversation, the thread will be reopened and discussed further.

Please respect the privacy of the two involved. Thank you.