Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Golden Age of Protest, Mar 7, 2014.
Coverage from The Guardian
Coverage from the Wall Street Journal
If it was a terror attack - no evidence for that yet but sudden loss of transponder suggests sudden destruction of the plane - then who?
It's not the Uighurs, not their style. Al Q? Why would they go after the Chinese? Anyone non-Chinese on the manifesto would have likely been Muslim apart from a few Australians.
Malaysia has a small group of Al Q, the Tanzim. Doubt they have the resources.
Indonesia? Possible, given the trouble in the north with Jamaah Ansharut Tauhid, and Mujahidin Indonesia Timor.
All just speculative though.
Screen shot grab from flightradar 24:
Tracking log from flightaware:
Don't speculate,it's too early for it.
2 passengers with stolen passports on the plane. I have no idea how often people get on planes with fake IDs so maybe this is not that unusual.
No one can put the airplane back in the sky.
Go and find some new rape to un-rape.
Airplanes raep the sky i seen it.
The stolen passports suggest that at least two of the people on board were people willing to risk their liberty in order to carry out something nefarious - organized crime, espionage etc.
They might have been innocent of the crash, and it might sadly be very difficult to ever determine for sure who they were.
It has been reported that two passengers who were listed on the plane's manifest - an Italian and an Austrian - were not actually on the flight.
They both reportedly had their passports stolen in Thailand.
That's from the BBC .
Is there any evidence to suggest that the passports were used by other people who then boarded the flight?
The two passengers didn't board as their passports were stolen. So far, nothing to suggest terrorist activity or anything remotely like it.
I suggest wait and watch, and don't speculate.
We could rape like proper pirates.
Then plunder with submersibles to snatch all the iphones out of the luggage.
Just the ones upgraded to iOS 7.
Annonylemmi & Rof = Burke and Hare. Naughty, but not if you cut me in on the spoils.
Only the ones in waterproof otterboxes.
The passport owners were allegedly not on the flight. The records indicated that two people boarded the flight using the passports, as I understand it.
Might have been stolen for any reason, I'd prefer to wait for news of terrorist activity is all I'm saying.
The available facts suggest that a deliberate downing is unavoidable possibility, and more likely than is usual in an air disaster.
Deliberate downing of the plane is on the list of what investigators must be considering.
You might be exposed to discussion of the possible significance of the available information, in this thread, before the investigation is concluded.
Factors that suggest it was not a terrorist act include that the plane crashed into the ocean, rather than somewhere more spectacular and damaging to others, and that credit seems not to have been claimed.
FBI to investigate disappearance of Malaysian Airlines jet | LA Times
An official at the Department of Homeland Security said it would be a first if the plane was brought down by two terrorists who boarded the jet carrying stolen passports. "We've never seen that," he said.
He noted that in the United States, passports and other travel documents are immediately run through a computer database that would have detected whether they had been stolen or lost. In Malaysia, however, the security arrangement is not as tight, he said, and purloined travel documents could have gotten two of the passengers through the security checkpoints.
He cautioned that at this early stage, "we can't say what it means yet." But he said that the two stolen passports have given investigators an open door to look for security breaches.
The Homeland Security source said that the passport stolen from an Italian was taken from his rental car when he returned the vehicle in August in Malaysia. The second passport was stolen from an Austrian man two years ago, he said.
"Just because they were stolen doesn't mean the travelers were terrorists," the Homeland Security source cautioned. "They could have been nothing more than thieves. Or they could have simply bought the passports on the black market."
Malaysia is outside of FBI jurisdiction. I wonder how the FBI can justify involvement here.
US citizen passengers were involved.
Perhaps the same way the US (and China) are justifying sending navy vessels - to help with the search and find 239 missing people and a huge metallic airbus?
I mean, sheesh - it's not always about justifying and jurisdiction. Every now and then the world works together to get something done. There were infants on that plane, and likely small children, as well. 14 countries represented. The news of the stolen passports - two from two different countries on one flight - is too odd to be coincidental to me, and if the FBI has information or tools to figure out what the hell has happened, I'm sure it's welcomed...
There's a lot of coverage on the South China Morning Post site. Here's a quote from an article titled New possible sighting of debris at sea as China sends warships to join search for missing Malaysian Airlines flight:
Photographs purporting to show debris in the sea in the area where the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 lost contact have been posted on Chinese social media.
The pictures, supposedly taken by a Chinese passenger on board another MA flight from Beijing which landed safely in Kuala Lumpur on Sunday morning, show what appears to be fragmented debris floating on waters about 90 minutes out to sea from the Malaysian capital.
The poster, whose profile information says he is a banker working for China Minsheng Bank in Beijing, wrote that he took the snaps from his window at a height of 11,000 metres, at about 6:45 am on Sunday.
While it is not immediately clear what the suspected debris consisted of, the area where the passenger said he spotted it appears to be roughly consistent with where the missing plane lost contact with aviation authorities and where ships from Malaysia and Vietnam were already searching since Saturday afternoon.
Li Jiaxiang, administrator of the Civil Aviation Administration of China, said at a press briefing on Sunday morning that some debris had been spotted, but it was unclear whether it came from the plane.
Vietnamese authorities said they had seen nothing close to two large oil slicks they saw Saturday and said might be from the missing plane.
None of the reported possible sightings so far have been confirmed to be from the Boeing 777-200 in the seas between Malaysia and Vietnam where the plane vanished from screens early Saturday morning.
Malaysia’s civil aviation chief Azaharuddin Abdul Rahman said his country had expanded its area of operation to the west coast of peninsular Malaysia, on the other side of the country from where the plane disappeared. “This is standard procedure. If we can’t find it here, we go to other places,” he said.
Also on Sunday, the official Xinhua News Agency said that two warships of the Chinese navy, "Jinggangshan" and "Mianyang", are on their way to sea area where missing Malaysia Airline flight MH 370 may have crashed.
The Chinese navy vessel "Jinggangshan", an 20,000-tonne amphibious warship loaded with life-saving equipments, underwater detection facilities and supplies of water and food, set out from Zhanjiang city of south China 's Guangdong Province at about 3:00 am on Sunday, Xinhua said. The ship was also carrying two helicopters, 30 medical personnel, ten divers and 52 marines.
Another Chinese navy vessel, the missile frigate "Mianyang", left for the possible crash site on Saturday night. Both warships are expected to arrive in the search areas later on Sunday.
Chinese Maritime Police 3411, a 4000-tonnne vessel, was on duty in nearby sea areas and could be the first Chinese vessel to arrive on the scene in early Sunday afternoon, state media said.
Also, this Twitter account has a lot of updates: https://twitter.com/AdrianNCF
Stolen Passports Used For Malaysia Flight, Interpol Confirms | NPR
Interpol says that "at least two passports" used to board flight MH370 were listed in its Stolen and Lost Travel Documents database. And matching up with what's been reported earlier, the agency identified them as being Austrian and Italian documents.
The agency says it's also reviewing other passports used to board the flight, to determine whether any of them might have been reported stolen. That's released Sunday.
Saying that "it is too soon to speculate about any connection between these stolen passports and the missing plane," Interpol Secretary General Ronald K. Noble adds that "it is clearly of great concern that any passenger was able to board an international flight using a stolen passport listed in Interpol's databases."
Interpol adds that border agencies are inconsistent at checking passports against the database, with policies varying wildly from country to country. Few countries use the database systematically, Interpol says.
"Last year passengers were able to board planes more than a billion times without having their passports screened against Interpol's databases," the agency says.
Continued here: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...ts-used-for-malaysia-flight-interpol-confirms
Searchers Report Spotting Plane Debris | Wall Street Journal
A Vietnamese search aircraft located fragments Sunday floating in waters off southern Vietnam that are suspected of coming from a Malaysia Airlines 3786 jetliner that went missing a day earlier with 239 people on board.
The fragments were believed to be a composite inner door and a piece of the tail, Vietnam's ministry of information and communication said in a posting on its website. They were located about 50 miles south-southwest of Tho Chu island.
Officials released photograph of one fragment floating in the water. Malaysia Airlines said it had received no confirmation regarding the suspected debris.
Continued here: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304732804579427991198487418
The CIA can Chu Tho Dat in no time.
Everyone put your rape hats back on.
The fact that no one seems to have come forward claiming responsibility points to either an accident or a large mutant monster such as Gamera Or Gojira.
Glancing at my records I see Dongcopter Airlines has also had a few incidents.
Maybe we should point the magnifying glass at them.
Rupert Murdoch weighs in and gets ridiculed:
This suggests he has information we don't, or he's drunk-tweeting, or he's simply trying to be manipulative.
Being manipulative is true to form for Murdoch.
He's just trolling y'all.
If he wants to troll he ought to get his lardy arse in here and discover real trolling, and if he lurked moar he'd see what passes for real research instead of the crappy slappy shit his empire prints.
Well researched real news is not a money-maker. The profit margin on made up shit (free) is 100%. He's a financial genius,
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