Re: Looks like Travoltas Are coming out of hiding it doesn't have anything to do with sympathy for john travolta... but if you want to keep chanology working, ghoulishly hovering over the retarded corpse of a case that's way past further investigation doesn't do much but make us look like tabloid journalists. wait for someone to fuck up again and ride the next media wave. this one's dead in the water and if you keep up, the travoltas will win the PR game against you. also, i <3 tenebrous
Re: Looks like Travoltas Are coming out of hiding TL/DR ALERT!! If yah dont want to read it ...... then don't. To all who are arguing...... stop! This is ridiculous. Some people sympathize with the Revoltas... some don't. Just agree to disagree. And this has nothing to do with keeping the "PR game" alive for them. Sorry. But me??? I do NOT sympathize with them. Sorry You have to ask yourself... AND ask total strangers the following questions, and what their answers would be. Ask a group of parents too. (DON'T tell them its about the Travoltas) Keep in mind I know why the Travoltas hid things and repsponded they way they did. But if you want another perspective, ask yourself and others these following questions. Ask them: If your child had special needs, (or not) would you plop them in front of a TV set all day and let them eat junk food? What do you thik of a parent who takes a child off medication, who is having GRAND MAL seizures 1-4 days apart, and does not put them back on anything else and lets them suffer? What would you think of these parents, if they decided to fly that child to a vacation hotel and invite 60 people to have a big party on New Years Eve for the entire weekend while the child was gravely ill? If your child was gravely ill, would you be celebrating New Years Eve? Would you fly a child to a vacation spot who's hospital did not have the absolute best care that money can buy? What do you think about parents who are millionaires and hire two untrained "nannies" with no medical background to take care of that child? Do you think it is a conflict of interest and it is the correct thing to do, for one of the parents to hire someone they were caught kissing? If your child was gravely ill, would you have that child sleeping in a room on a different floor from you, where you couldn't hear them and have untrained people taking care of him? Would you check on this child yourself constantly if he was having seizures so close apart? Or would you rely on someone else who had no medical training? Would you say goodnight to your child at sunset and not check on that child untill the next morning? Or would you wait 10 hours to check on your child? If a family member and a neighbor who also had an austistic child begged you to seek professional help for your child because your child showed signs of autism, ( remember you are millionaires) would you seek the best care you can afford, or deny they have an illness? If the child was found on the floor unresponsive with a head injury, would you first call the hotel manager of the establishment? Or dial 911 imediatley? You find your child unresponsive , would you wait a almost an hour and a half to have him transported to the nearest hospital? Or have him taken right away? If a parent was told they had to sign a "refuse to transfer" by the ambulance driver, would you find this unsual? If your child was not responsive, would you want to board them on a plane and fly them somewhere that was 45 minutes away, or to the nearest hospital? Would you have flown a plane that could not accomdate a stretcher or gurney if your child was really ill? If the child died, would you have them cremated immediately and arrange a fake funeral procession to the airport to throw off any reporters, and then have him cremated while the funeral procession was on it's way to the airport? If your child died, would you want a quicky autopsy? Or the best money can buy? If the only autopsy available by the hospital was not able to show certian things in the bloodstream because they lacked the special equipmet needed to do so, would you ok the quicky autopsy, or fly the child back to the states where a more thorough autopsy could be performed? The day after the child dies, would you be flying a plane back and forth to Florida repeatedly, or would you stay with your wife? Is a ten minute funeral ceremony acceptable for the child? OR anyone for that matter? Would you hide your child's illness and hide him from the public if your church didn't agree with it? If your child's life depended on YOU, would you do anything for that child if they were ill, even though your church did not agree? If your church told you that grieving was not the correct thing to do, would you agree with them and force yourself not to grieve? Or continue to grieve for that child? If your church told you one day after your child's death, that there were courses you can take and other training that would help you through the grieving process, costing thousands of dollars. Would you take them immediately? After answering all the questions, do you think these parents are negligent for the child's care and death? Do you think parents should be investigated if this happened?
Re: Looks like Travoltas Are coming out of hiding Wat. Yeah, I'm sure Herro and King Nerd would fit right in at OCMB! I agree with you that there are people on Why Are They Dead who shouldn't be. I believe in sticking to facts, and not overdramatizing, because I think it makes your argument stronger. It's fine to hypothesize, but jumping to conclusions and triumphantly pointing fingers based on them just reeks of fail and moonbattery. I know it's popular around here to say "Anonymous doesn't care what people think," but I think it's slightly wrong. I think most Anons do care about getting an anti-Scientology/CoS message out effectively. If people don't listen, then what's the point of all the picketing and leafleting? I know that when I talk to people about Scientology, I would like for them to believe what I say about it--for them to find me credible. So it mystifies me when people seem eager to damage their own credibility by twisting facts to fit what they think must have happened or demonize people for normal behavior (or what passes for normal in the world of celebrities).
Re: Looks like Travoltas Are coming out of hiding OK, clarification. "Friends" is an unofficial "press release". It's something the Travolta's wanted to get in to the press but felt a formal press release would come across wrong. Informants (as in whistle blowers or people with their own agenda) are usually referred to as informants or confidential informants or sources never friends.
Re: Looks like Travoltas Are coming out of hiding Well, okay, we can dicker about my use of the word "informants." I just meant it in the casual sense of "people who give information that's unattributed." I don't think what I meant by "They may be planted informants promoting the celebrity's agenda" and what you're saying are all that different. When you say something was a press release, people are going to think you mean it was a standard press release, and that's what I was disputing.
Re: Looks like Travoltas Are coming out of hiding The questions I posted were from FACTS on what happpened. It is what the Travoltas did according to police reports. (and ambulance times posted ) The comments about the neighbors and Joey Travolta were in articles written. Both Joey Travolta and the Travoltas neighbors were interviewed. The neighbors tried to bring child services in because the Travoltas were refusing to help Jett. FACT The questions I posted were NOT of what I thought happened. It is what happened. I don't feel I am damaging my own credibilty by stating what actualy happened. It is not tin foily or moon batty. AND a little more from the Bahamas. I was in the Bahamas on vacation and talked to a local about this fiasco last Feb. The main consensus of the locals according to him is, that they treat celeberities like everyone else. When I asked if the locals thought the Travoltas where giving the Bahamas a bad name he said , "this will all get swept under the rug and nobody will ever know the truth of what really happened, the same like they did wit Anna Nicole's son Daniel" he also siad "something happened at that house, and they tried to hide it" Here's the rest of the conversation.. it's a little choppy and I did not include it all. we also talked about the hospital's vacinity to where we were (which was in Naussa), the airport and how far things were away from each other.... other crimes that happened that were never reported) I asked him about the guy who was arrested.... he said" the guy thought what he had was worth something" I said " a picture worth 25 million?" he said "no, a picture is not worth that" "A man is sitting in jail, and he is innocent" " An ambulance driver makes a LOT of money! What would he do with 25 million dollar anways"? I said "leave and do whatever he wants to do" he said "*laughs* It's better in the Bahamas" (I didn't really understand that totally, but this is what he said. I know he meant the ambulance driver was already making enough money and is happy where he was living) He also said "Bridgewater is out of jail and going about her business" And he said "when we are all gone, God's word will still be here" He got kinda preachy about God.... so we ended the conversation. I know you may not think that conversation has a lot to do with anything.... but there yah go. and I rest my case, I am done arguing. People can have their own opinions.... Back to staying on target.....
Re: Looks like Travoltas Are coming out of hiding No It would make tabloid journalists look like tabloid journalists. And please remind me when we started to care about our image ? Wait for someone to fuck up again ? So you can BAWWW and say no just leave the Travoltas (or fill in a name) alone ! all over again ? The travoltas are having to put on a dog and pony show to try to fix their PR now you think we should just let them ? The facts that are already out are enough for people to not side with Travolta. JT had to wait 4 months before he could wait for people to forget what happened before he could even start to spin the story. We just need to remind the public what happened. Jett died alone unattended by his two unqualified caregivers after his insane parents took him off of medication that likely would have prevented his death, he was not seen for hours before he was found on the bathroom floor. (Only the PR team has said otherwise) If you saw the size of that kid you know that he didn't die easily, and I doubt quietly and that is NOT tinfoil.
Re: Looks like Travoltas Are coming out of hiding Where you saying the same thing about the Lisa Mcpherson and Kyle Brennan case?
Re: Looks like Travoltas Are coming out of hiding Wow, way to completley miss the point. My objections have nothing to do with feeling bad for people or thinking that we should consider JT's feelings. I just think that it's rediculous for people to get all worked up over a guy having a birthday party for his daughter. It makes you look paranoid and crazy. You also don't do yourself any favors for convincing yourself that Travolta or Scientology caused Jett's death when there really isn't any solid evidence to suggest that. Like I said before, it's just people desperately wanting to pin the death of this kid on scientology, truth be damned. And if you want to do that, fine. But don't pretend to somehow be morally superior to what you're fighting against and don't be shocked when people call you out for using the death of a child to further your agenda. Just be consistent. Long story short, this has nothing to do with feeling bad for the Travoltas and everything to do with pointing out that some people are acting insane because they've sacrificed their rationality on the altar of righteous anger. At least that's how I interpreted that semi-coherent rant.
Re: Looks like Travoltas Are coming out of hiding Loving and caring parents don't withhold proper medical treatment and supervision of their very very sick child.. That is the part you seem to be unable to understand...
Re: Looks like Travoltas Are coming out of hiding Herro, For the last time the Birthday party is not an issue. However the OP quoted an article announcing the People magazine cover story. If you care to check any US newstand the cover DOES NOT have a picture of the daughter on the cover, It has a picture of JT, Kelly and Jett. The story is NOT about the birthday party it is about JT, Kelly, and Jett. Some of people quoted in the story are said to have last seen the Travolta's at the daughter's party. The OP quote did mention the party and it is likely that the birthday party was used tactically to release information about the upcoming article on Jett. You will not that the title of this thread has nothing to do with a party. I believe that a seizure caused Jett's death. I believe that a devote Scientologist who claims to be taking comfort in Scientology after the death followed the crazy teachings of Scientology when Jett was taken off of all medication that prevents seizures. I believe that Kelly was quoted as saying "each seizure was like a death" yet its reported neither of the parents or the two unqualified caregivers where near or even looking after Jett when he had the last seizure. I also believe that JT loved his son, and likely is feeling very bad about things right now. That is not my concern, a drunk driver would feel the same way if he had taken actions that could have prevented someone's death but it does not change where the responsibility lies.
Re: Looks like Travoltas Are coming out of hiding WTF HERRO ? You posted "Originally Posted by RightOn" "I don't have any evidence that the Travoltas were anything other than loving, caring parents, but since they're scientologists, they must have let their kid die and they obviously don't care." then you said: HERRO: "At least that's how I interpreted that semi-coherent rant. " Hey Herro STOP putting words into my mouth. You posted that as MY quote and I never said that. I don't care if thats how YOU interpreted my "rant" . You dont use the quote function and then fabricate your own quote to further your agenda. Geez! You know when you go to the beach and you come home with sand in your crack? YOUR THAT SAND! You dont make up quotes for other people and make it look like they said it by using the quote function . I refuse to argue or acknowledge anything you say any longer.
Re: Looks like Travoltas Are coming out of hiding The funeral baked meats doth coldly furnish forth the wedding table. Or summit like tha'.
Re: Looks like Travoltas Are coming out of hiding You fail. HARD. Reread your post. Many people have lost their lives because of the cult. Stop your celebrity fellatio and stay on target. Now, tell me again, who's the moralfag? Kill yourself. Honestly, I'd kill you if I knew I could get away with it. Good for nothing mouth-breathers have no place in activism.
Re: Looks like Travoltas Are coming out of hiding I was going to ask how not asking about this is staying on target and the KN's srs bs about JT and I think I finally got it . Back to Lurking mode. My bad.
Re: Looks like Travoltas Are coming out of hiding I'm not angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry...
Re: Looks like Travoltas Are coming out of hiding The problem is with the sources you're citing, like articles you read. How do you know the articles were reliable? Some are, some aren't. In the aftermath of Jett's death, many articles said contradictory things (mainly because they quoted different people). Some reported rumors. So the best you can do is decide who you think is being accurate. But that doesn't make it proven fact. (I've seen "news" reports that I knew were wrong spread all over the net, with people repeating them and even adding to them, until the end result was mostly fiction. So I know how this can happen.) As for the police reports and ambulance activity, I agree: put them together with things people said in the articles, and something doesn't smell right. But that's not enough evidence to make me state anything with certainty. I don't know for sure when Jett was on meds for his seizures and when he was taken off and what the result was. I don't presume to know when Jett died or how long it was before he was found or what condition he was in when he was found or how long it was before an ambulance was called. So I'm not going to say shit like "OMG JETT WAS DEAD ELEVEN HOURS BEFORE HE WAS FOUND!" All I can do is say that I personally have suspicions about how Jett was treated. But I'm not going to magically turn my suspicions into facts and go bleating them at people. Sorry, but you do realize people do that all the time here, don't you?
Re: Looks like Travoltas Are coming out of hiding It would be a good exercise to go through and put the known facts down.. Will work on that later, if not too drunk. Actually a lot of the facts that Right On has stated came from Travolta's own attorneys.. But.. just based on the known facts.. It is very clear to me that Jett was not receiving proper medical treatment or supervision..
Re: Looks like Travoltas Are coming out of hiding JETT WAS A NIGGER! NOW HE'S A DEAD NIGGER! FACE FACTS AND MOVE ON!
Re: Looks like Travoltas Are coming out of hiding Do you honestly think that anything in the last 8 pages was intended to be serious ? you are acting like a moral fag though Travolta is fair game for anyone who wants to bring up his dead kid or anything that lead up to how he died. Those who think celebrities should not be questioned about how they follow the tech are not obligated to participate. And BTW, A point do you have one ? God that was great ! YOU SOOO PAWNED HIM did you think of that yourself ? Cuz U r AWSOME !
Re: Looks like Travoltas Are coming out of hiding ITT: srs bsns I eat dead niggers after skull fucking them.
Re: Looks like Travoltas Are coming out of hiding Sorry what part of these two of your quotes are not hypocritical ?
Re: Looks like Travoltas Are coming out of hiding So anyway I was thinking we should make sure that it is remembered the Travoltas may have been able to prevent Jett's death if they would have kept him on his medication. That Kelly Preston has been a long time activist with CCHR and Scientology does not really acknowledge that Autism exists.
