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What ZALGO said!

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I'm shamelessly bumping this thread just to reiterate how vital it is that Marc et. al. wins this case against the cult. If they do, not only could organized Scientology be dealt a grievous blow in the legal system and would almost certainly cause the media go into a frenzy looking into the Sea Org abuses, but the precedent set from this case would be damning. It would open the door for any ex-Sea Org/staff member to line up, holding out their hands looking for damages and back-pay.

Best case scenario: If Headley wins, it shows that the monster CAN be defeated, and could easily inspire more exes to file lawsuits due to the fact that the precedent has been set. Even if the cases never go forward, O$A would be buried up to their eyeballs in new legal cases, and the costs to fight them or make them go away would probably be even worse than the damages awarded to Headley, let alone costs to appeal. As a result, Davey is pushed passed the breaking point. He begins to squeeze those who are still in until they pop, and we can all make our own inferences as to where that will lead. The cult might have to file for bankruptcy, or better yet, Davey might take the money and run. Either way, we win.

Marc MUST win this case. I don't know about you faggots, but I'd be willing to PA myself to make sure it happens.

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CoS always done their damnedest to avoid having any precedent set in court, using the entire big bag of tricks, and even paying out huge settlements when all else failed (with gag clauses so that the settlers couldn't be witnesses for other cases).

They know that once those dominoes start falling, the chain won't stop.

They kept blocking the thin dimes to Wollersheim for decades until people forgot what it was about.

The only large case against them (that I know of) involved over 400 members, mainly ex due to Davie's power-grab. Unfortunately, it was apparently a complete cluster-fuck that the court tossed out on its collective ass. (Strange since Lawrence Levy was experienced against CoS in court.)

Church of Scientology Is Sued for $1 Billion January 2, 1987, AP, New York Times

Hoping those dominoes have better luck this time!

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Ah, yes, but that was before Anonymous. OSA aren't the only ones who play dirty. Not anymore.

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I love how you just accept the accusations he makes as true without the slightest bit of corroborating evidence. He didn't even try to justify his claims of witness tampering and you just eat it up.

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You remind me of the main character in a comic I read once.

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There's more than just the slightest bit of corroborating evidence when it comes to Scientology and witness tampering, there's a long history.

Take a few minutes and search: Scientology/ Witness tampering and you'll find over 30,000 entries on the subject, some of it can be discarded but there's plenty of information to form the legitimate opinion that Scientology intimidates witnesses in many ways.

Does everyone, including you, have signed affidavits for all of their posts and opinions about Scientology's abuses? No, of course not. Please stop saying that there's no corroborating evidence to most of the charges levied against Scientology. You'll find remarkably similar stories from across the globe backing up the charges of abuse including witness tampering and intimidation tactics.


This forum is about the abuses of Scientology, simply search for your herroic self on any of the topics and you'll find not just a little corroboration but a plethora of it.

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If action on Witness Tampering is where this is going, I'm looking forward to seeing it happen. And although I generally don't, as a matter of normal practice, piss on anyone who fails to wave docs around immediately -- I am getting a little tired of the dickteasing...

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Why do people seem to think that if it's on the internet it must be true?

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Dickteasing? LOL

I think you will find that due to the nature of litigation, and certainly any litigation that organized scientology feels really threatens them, things are fluid, they change, priorities and timetables change, things look good then bad, then good, different motions are made, argued, whatever. And it can happen really fast at some points and very, very slowly at other points.

Something that on one day looked like it would be filed within a week may now take a back burner and not get filed for a month or more.

Importances or focuses in a case can switch throughout the case. Some things not issues at one point of the case become big issues later as positions by each side are taken. For example, whether they are engaged in interstate commerce might not have seemed an issue at one point, only to become a bigger issue at another point based on filings made by the parties and decisions by the judge.

Organized scientology, for example, can take one position in an attempt to handle some argument, only to create for themselves bigger problems like bringing their religious status into the courts when it wasn't in before. It's amazing how things change in such cases as they develop.

I would expect Marc or Barry might give an update when it is the right time for same. My guess would be in about two weeks or so. But it's only a guess. I know they are really busy.

While I am confident that evidence about witness tampering and the like is being addressed now and will come up in both filings and testimony, I am quite sure that it will not first be disclosed in any detail on here. So if you are waiting for docs on same before the courts get them I suggest that you are going to be disappointed.

I am sure there are lots of people that would love to announce exciting things to happen in these and other cases, press, books, you name it who don't give details for lots of good reasons, not the least of which is not tipping off the bad guys or jeopardizing the action.

In the meantime, if someone gives an opinion or shares a prediction due to the desire to try to share some thoughts or help clarify something, I suggest you take it just as an opinion and don't consider it a tease.

If the person has been pretty much right in the past it may or may not give more credence to the opinion and/or prediction but it's still nothing more than just that.

Just a thought.

PS: Sometimes I find it hard to be patient too. I might know of something like a great book to come out and think it is imminent only to find out it might be much of a year. I might hear of some hot press coming up thinking it is next week only to find out it gets put off for months. Kind of sucks for those of us who get impatient but there is just SOOOOO much happening in this current shitstorm that it is certainly not boring (to me anyway).

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Who ever said anything about if it's on the internet, it must be true, herroic 1?

Scientology tells their members that "everything" bad said about them on the internet is all lies made up by religous bigots and to even read it is against policy, lol. Most posters here are free to search all kinds of sources and come up with their own opinions.

Personally, i'm skeptical about a quite a bit, but when I read and hear so many similar stories (corroboration) in books, on the internet and other sources, well, if there's an overwhelming amount of information supporting the claims of abuse, it helps me to form my opinion about these litigious, abusive, lying, witness intimidating, scamming mofo's at the top of Scientology.

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Larry, was the witness list filed?

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its true. We are always watching, are intel is on par with goverment agencies, as is our infiltration and shadow games. We know every trick of the web and have no qualms about employing them. Anything they bury we will dig up. Any court order to seal we will find.
We are Anonymous, Fear Us!

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This

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I agree Marc's case is important, and I wish him all the luck in the world, but it is not and should not be 'the be all and end all' of the fight against Scientology. And the other two cases IMO are equally or even more important.

But I don't believe we should try to predict the future about what is going to happen. About who will be able to try to file suit if / when these cases are won. There is still a good percentage of SO/ staff in the world who live outside the country and have entirely different labor laws etc. There will be people who will be able to file claims and there will be people who won't. So fuck the noise of a PA, we (at least I am not) here to encourage ex's to take on lawsuits. But if Marc and any other ex wants to sue the cult they have my blesssing. (as long as they also report any relevant information to the feds and I assume the plaintiffs in these three cases have.)

Scientology encroaches on the rights of each of us, it is sometimes able to get public funding, they inflict their lunacy on the victims in need of real help (ex Natural disasters) they use their wealth to curb fair criticism, and represent encroachments of authoritarianism into society. If Marc's case puts a dent in the cult it will be a good sized one but I have not seen any information that would lead us to believe this will be a finishing blow. But then again it wouldn't be any fun if he finished the cult off with out us, so we shouldn't rest all the weight on his (and Barry's) shoulders either.

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LOL, that's pretty funny actually.

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Any links to the outcome? A quick google turns up nada - it might be interesting to find out why.

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Why do you think becuase there's no forensic evidence it must be false?

NB: blah blah invisible dragon in my garage prove me wrong blah blah

Life experiences and genomic bias perhaps?

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Court Ends $1-Billion Suit Alleging Scientology Fraud - Los Angeles Times

More: Scientology library: "Lawrence Levy"

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I understand that a filing was made that included some of the witnesses. I believe that may either be a public record soon (within a couple of weeks) or otherwise will be posted.

Due to the nature of the defendant (organised scientology) there is great concern for witness tampering/intimidation so I believe many witnesses may have been left off the list for now for their own protection. I do not believe that a couple of people I understand are on that list will back off from the intimidation.

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^^^^^^Wise words oh Gimbly, IMO^^^^^^

I agree that there should be all possible legal, PR and other relevant actions to expose abuses, demand redress and, most importantly, stop the abuses. This includes these three cases and what I believe will be more.

It also includes the actions in France, Belgium and elsewhere, more press, more books, you name it.

While much good could potentially come from any of those actions, it is my belief that what Anonymous does regularly (while being no one's PA) has had more affect on exposing and stopping the harm organized scientology does than anything else.

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Are you really that retarded?

I don't think that.

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While much good could potentially come from any of those actions, it is my belief that what Anonymous does regularly (while being no one's PA) has had more affect on exposing and stopping the harm organized scientology does than anything else.

Let's not forget guys like you, WBM, BigBeard, Graham Berry who fight the battles on grounds that Anon can't possibly fight alone.

Never forgive, never forget, people...