Katie Tierney Higgins RN vs Anonymous : CCHR

Discussion in 'CoS Front Groups' started by Anonymous, Oct 18, 2012.

  1. I am a fledgling with computer/internet technology-- yet I can prove my existence -- in less than 10 minutes, but you super techies can't? BUT, you can attack and presume things about me-- ad nauseum. anyone would be offended.

    I still contend-- from my perspective -- on the front lines, insider, etc. that *religion* is peripheral to the crucial issues that are of the greatest threat to kids--. What major world religions most influence the beliefs and practices of psychiatry? for instance. Answer: None.

    I have been a nurse for 40 years-- first 14 years of my career, my experience was ALL medical- so, you could say that once I found myself in the arena of psychiatry, I was confused, confounded-- shocked. No since there. However, the religious organization you discredit has employed nothing but scientific fact and evidence to refute psychiatry-- led the way in fact, for the medical profession to get into the fray. You care about CSI's beliefs on *the origen and meaning of human life*-- I focus on the information they provide that I can verify *scientifically*. YOU say that makes me sound like a scientologist*?

    Admit, though certainly not really relevant, that I am Buddhist-- converted 26 years ago--. I can engage around the teachings I have developed faith in that have influenced my understanding of and approach to caring for patients who have been labeled with various psychiatric diagnoses-- BUT, ultimately it is the science lacking in psychiatric diagnosis and drugging, the harm I have seen caused by it and the science that explains the harm-- it is SCIENCE I rely on. (my bibliography on this topic is extensive) I read books. I contact authors. I engage them, meet them-- as I form my own opinions. And I engage regularly with others interested in these issues, or effected by them-- . I would call myself a responsible caring human being-- .

    I am a 61 year old fledgling-- on the internet, on blogs and in chat rooms-- BUT, you gather info and examine it with your eyes on a plasma screen. I have over years of experience in the field you think CCHR is wrongfully vilifying. I have listened to-- looked into the eyes of Joseph Biederman-- I have first hand up close experience with the carnage resulting from his *marketing expertise*. and I know how *heretics* are dealt with in the only truly dangerous cult I know, Harvard Child Psychiatry.This makes all the difference --.

    IF I were cult recruiting material-- weak and subordinate to powerful, charismatic leaders, and attached to the spoils of working amidst *untouchables*-- six figure income, et al; then I would not even know about the anti-psychiatry movement- or pay it much mind, as I promise you my former colleagues are still doing--.

    I absolutely get cult mentality-- and the trials and tribulations of leaving one intact. Been there, done that. The cult of child psychiatry-- at Harvard affiliated BCH.

    I don't think it is wise or even productive to veer off into theories I have about why Anonymous, of all groups would attack the only organization that succeeded in scaring Eli Lilly--. I saw your members at the Judge Rottenberg center demonstration-- realize you could very easily get your feet on the ground with the real threat psychiatry poses due to its unique ultimate power in out society-- YET-- you attack the only religious organization that has challenged this evil. The thing is-- IF you bore down on the TRUTH regarding the obscene profits made at the expense of children's lives-- by a medical specialty that has no scientific foundation and has never been held accountable for this-- IF- you tackled this scourge-- you would find that the truth was publicized first-- and countless victims of psychiatric abuse were actually helped by CSI/CCHR . Confounding, perhaps-- maybe even painful for you to grapple with-- but it is true.

    I don't have to be a Scientologist, or even know in detail what their religious philosophy entails to recognize the value of their contribution to my battle--. Psychiatry can and does usurp every civi and human right we *the people* believe is our birth right. To date-- there is no religious organization that can do that-- but I promise you IF there were, i would expand my battle to include them. and while your members rail about CCHR-- an organization, I know a member, which calls into question how one determines the intentions or the MO of members-- without knowing any??

    Meanwhile-- you ignore the atrocities of the Catholic Church, whose well documented carnage makes the less well documented accusations against CSI look like a sequel to *Mean girls*-- WHY not *take down the Catholic Church ? Well the Pope has never really criticized psychiatry or Pharma-- maybe they even profit from their silence?

    Katie Tierney Higgins RN
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  2. Opposition to the dangerous drugs marketed and prescribed via lies about neurotransmitter chemical imbalances in our brains; drugs whose actions are known to perturb and sometimes permanently damage neurotransmitter production and function-- with severe disabling consequences; opposition to the use of dangerous drugs that cause the same symptoms they are supposed to treat-- and worse--; opposition to prescribing dangerous, brain damaging drugs to children; opposition to handing out SSRIs and stimulants like pez-- when both have the potential for causing a person- even child, who has never been physically aggressive or violent, to commit suicide and mass murder; opposition to drugs that are prescribed for psychiatric diagnoses that are invented via the consensus of psychiatrists and described in the DSM-- for the purposes of billing--; opposition to illegal imprisonment and degrading, abusive *treatment* by a medical specialty that has zero scientific evidence for any of this - *torture*-- can only be a good thing--

    BTW-- you are choosing a straw man argument tactic-- diverting your attention from the facts that are undisputed.

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  3. Quentinanon Member

    Katie, I think priest sexual abuses have been acknowledged elsewhere on WWP, if that is what you refer to as atrocities. You will find sexual abuses in scientology as well.
    You call it a religious organisation. I think most here would disagree with that, particularly those who have left organised scientology and witnessed first-hand numerous abuses and criminal activities. Scientology is Hubbard's warped, self-serving belief system he used for power and profit. He harboured a personal grudge against psychiatrists, who insulted him by rejecting his mental theories and practices known as dianetics.
    I have no idea of what science you refer to when you criticize psychiatric diagnosis. Scientology has its own system of diagnosis and classification of mental conditions, according to Hubbard. Take a look at his Tone Scale, Chart of Human Evaluation, PTS types 1, 2, and 3, Sources of Trouble types A, B, C, D, E, F, G and so on, overts, arc breaks, missed witholds, service facsimiles, GPMs, engrams, secondaries and locks, etc. For psychiatric diagnosis, at least, some sort of professional consensus exists. For scientology, all the diagnoses are Hubbard's ideas, and if you don't agree with those, you have misunderstood words, lack of mass, overts or "false purposes". In other words, something is wrong with you if you don't agree with Hubbard.
    You may wish to step back and take a closer look at the organization you are defending here. OSA are the folks who advocate that you "attack the attacker" because "they are a bunch of SPs", and "we're the only group on the planet that can really help anybody", and "that's why they attack us." That was Hubbard's adversarial, paranoid view of the world and you can pick some of that up working with them. I did at one time, too.
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  4. anon8109 Member

    All of your arguments are one-sided guest.

    You refuse to concede that Scientology or CCHR have done any harm to anyone whatsoever.
    You refuse to concede that psychiatry and medicine helps people.

    You claim to be fair minded and take a scientific approach, but all you do is demonize a whole medical profession and defend a cult.

    Do you see the problem?
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  5. Malory Member

    Mods get super pissy about doxxing attempts. Look, Dis was just being cautious and fair because I'm sure you wouldn't be impressed to see posts on a forum under your name if you hadn't made them.

    Hahahahahahaha. Sorry, get uncontrollable giggles at the idea people who believe you can wash radiation off with a hose are into scientific facts.

    I'm from Northern Ireland sweetpea, years ahead of you on that one.

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  6. RightOn Member

    you mentioned NOTHING about the video of the cult leader, David Miscavige that I posted.
    That is a video presented by the cult of Scientology and nobody else! THEIR OWN VIDEO.
    How ANYONE can watch that video and agree with it's ridiculousness, it's pictures of the Hitler like grandiose stage that he stands on and the "world domination" attitude, is beyond me and lacks any logic what so ever. So I am done.
    I am not going to argue with someone who can't see their own hand in front of their face.
    Either you are a very good troll or the woo in you is beyond an argument and you are helping to further an evil cult's agenda no matter how you look at it and you are looking at it the wrong way.

    Some day you will realize that you helped to disseminate an abusive evil cult that is guilty of numerous human rights abuses and may Xenu have mercy on your soul.
  7. Oooh Kaaay --- so no action figures available yet for play therapy -/ I guess ?
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  8. Sorry? Though there is occasionally some temporary relief from memories and realizations of 5 years worth of real life on Bader -- you tube horror documentaries are just a distraction for me --I just have nothing extra to offer to these virtual crusades -- sorry I still live near Boston; still see the casualties -- and think hard about damage control and prevention
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  9. I see a problem with your take on my comments--
    1) the whole medical profession is NOT a topic I would even attempt to address.
    2) I am not convinced by what is available on the internet and your site that Scientology or CCHR has done any harm-- what you call proof, I see as third party reporting-- where the third party does have an agenda and many scenarios are possible to explain *on camera testimonials*
    3) Psychiatry-- as it currently exists- is a cult-- intolerant of criticism within its ranks, brutal to those who have exposed it.
    4) The power psychiatry wields in our society is terrifying-- the risk for harm far exceeds any possible benefit of psychiatry.

    YOUR agenda: Take down CSI and CCHR-- is so far afield of anything close to a social justice, human rights issue, I have a problem addressing it seriously.

    Katie Tierney Higgins RN
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  10. Hi, If I may ask, I would be curious to hear your expanded thoughts on this one statement.

  11. Katie Tierney Higgins RN said: ↑
    ............. while your members rail about CCHR-- an organization, I know a member, which calls into question how one determines the intentions or the MO of members-- without knowing any??

    .......I know a member ..........sneaked in there just so we wouldn't wonder how you know so much about the CCHR
    "I'm not a Scientologists but..."
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  13. REposting-- for emphasis--

    Can a Scientologist declare you mentally incompetent to defend yourself against the decision he has made to commit you to a locked psychiatric unit ?
    Can a Scientologist force you to take injections of drugs/ that have not proven effective in the long term -- though are linked to adverse effects that will take 25 years off your lifespan ?
    Can a Scientologist have you labeled - legally striping you of all of your civil / human rights ?
    Will a police officer who encounters you in a state of mental/ emotional duress - take you by force / in restraints if necessary , to a Scientologist ?
    When your child becomes disruptive on school / will he be referred - and you coerced yo take him: to a Scientologist ?
    Do you think that Hitler would have sought out L, Ron Hubbard's assistance : expertise to operate his death camps?

    psychiatrists were and still are actively engaging in of the above -- but you see Scientology as the biggest threat ?
    All it took was the decision of Dr Alice Newton - to petition Juvemile Court judge, Johnston to take Justina out of her parents custody - and sentence her to 16 months of no medical treatment --
    One Pediatric Child Abuse Specialist with ultimate authority to lock up and torture a teen.
    This specialty was created in the early 90's by the wife of the author of Medical Child Abuse, Thomas Roessler, a child psychiatrist - his wife Carol Jenny- FIRST - pediatric child abuse specialist in the country -
    ALL of these specialists work closely with child psychiatrists and psychiatry clinicians -
    ALL have power to kidnap and torture kids - for profit / research / or just save insurance $$/ as all of the kids with rare diseases are high end medical insurance users.
    Question : Who were the first to be euthanized in Germany- pre Nazi take over ?
    Answer : children with profound disabilities .
    Question : What was the premise offered and accepted for killing children with severe disabilities ?
    Answer : it was stated by German psychiatrists that 1) Disabled children were not living lives of value - had worthless existence & 2) these children were a tremendous burden - financially - a waste to get zero productivity from such a huge investment .
    The power grab child psychiatry gained in the last decade - sets the stage for -- what happens when people cannot learn from history

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  14. I don't doubt that there are individuals who are sincere.

    There are also other individuals who prey on and exploit the vulnerable.
  15. Surprise!!

    I am actually a Martian-- trying like hell to give a leg up to you terribly destructive and woefully confused Earthlings --

    On Mars, living conscious beings communicate via what you on Earth call, " tap dancing and farting--"

    No matter how hard I try, I just can't seem to translate tap dancing and farting into the words formed by your 26 letter alphabet.

    Just phoned home--.

    What we have here, is a failure to communicate--

    Not the end of the world-- yet.

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  16. Even though I have a splitting headache at the moment, and that I almost lost my own father to suicide less than a year ago....

    I'll send out a metta meditation.

    Be well.
  17. DeathHamster Member

    What part of Anonymous are you finding it hard to come to grips with?
  18. Malory Member

    Well firstly that was in the Republic of Ireland which is a different country but I dislike ignorant Yanks taking swipes at my neighbours so let me hammer some facts into that dense head of yours.

    You're obviously referring to the story of St. Mary’s Mother and Baby Home in Tuam. There's still no evidence babies were flung into mass graves, especially since the building had been a workhouse during the famine. Mass graves are a legacy of the famine and can be found all over Ireland.

    Mortality rates in the home were high, but can be linked to epidemics. Were conditions poor? Yes, but the Republic was a poor country back then and it's easy to sit in judgement from the viewpoint of the modern era. You use a term like 'death camps' when the reality is women and their unborn babies would have died in the streets if those charitable organisations hadn't made an effort.
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  19. BigBeard Member

    Summary of this entire thread:

    Shill: My minds made up, don't confuse me with any facts.
    Anons: Here are some facts.
    Shill: My minds made up, don't confuse me with any facts.
    Anons: Here are some facts.
    [Rinse, repeat, ad infinitum]

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  20. Shill? New label for:
    My experience contradicts your *facts* -

    Name calling?
    Intimidate the *guest* whose opinions are based on her lived experience and NOT on Anons internet data base--

    The non-anonymous guest LOL
    Katie Tierney Higgins RN
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  21. Disambiguation Global Moderator

    You are very firm about caring for this child. Do you think any part of her problem was due to other medical care that was forced on her and her family, other than the psychiatrist?
  22. Random guy Member

    Ah, "what's true for me is true" tech!
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  23. anon8109 Member

    Our guest is very much behaving like a scientology troll.

    Her goal seems to be to get everyone going around in circles, and she's having some initial success with repeating the same things over and over.

    Don't feed the troll.
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  24. RightOn Member

    meh! I am not so convinced she is a Sciloon. Maybe she just believes in the "all pysches are bad" woo.
    Just wish she didn't have to cozy up to the CCHR and further their agenda in ANY way.
    People can believe what they want, but please leave the evil cult of Scientology out of it. You are inadvertently supporting human rights abuses of their members and children of the cult in promoting the them in any way. Plain and simple.
    BTW, there is a Katherine Higgins in COS completions, 1979 with one entry, but it is a pretty common name, so I don't think it is her, but I also can't be exactly sure it isn't her.
    I say lock this thread. She has said her spiel, and it's getting tired. No use arguing with woo.
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  25. DeathHamster Member

    While Katie Tierney exists, there's no guaranty that this poster is her.
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  26. Disambiguation Global Moderator

    This thread has bounced from AvS to the Dome and back. There was no way to know if the Katie Tierney Higgins poster was Katie Tierney Higgins or a troll. She has given her real email to join here, yes it's the real Katie.
    This is our conversation:

    I can see your email is one you've used for your reports. You will have seen us trying to decide if you were a troll or a the actual Katie.
    Disambiguation, Yesterday at 10:20 PM ReportReply

    Katie Tierney Higgins RN
    My reports? I My cell # is on the DCF letter-- Beau Berman apologized profusely, however I soon realized that talking to people who had enough interest or concern to call me, was a good thing--.
    I appreciate that you have and will use means at your disposal to verify identities--but since you have treated me like a crazy-- or a shill-- or both, I would expect some sort of apology.
    You don't have to like my views or assessments, or me , for that matter-- but I have shared the truth from a perspective none of you have-- Your members are probably younger than my kids! Very disconcerting to find out first hand how rude and arrogant your members are on this site--. It is not that I am so thinned skin as to me either intimidated or wounded from your (members/commenters) responses to me-- I am just disappointed-- you have lost credibility with me--

    Katie Tierney Higgins RN, Today at 6:09 AM ReportReply
    Katie Tierney Higgins RN
    I can answer, "Boston Children's Hospital being fair gamed?"
    BCH/Harvard CONTROL the game-- it is never close to fair --lol

    Summer 2013, John Henry, owner of the Boston Red Sox and patron saint of BCH, bought the Boston Globe at precisely the time Neil Swidey (Boston Globe investigative reporter) was working the story about Justina's kidnapping. I was working with Neil, BTW-- and have the email exchange between he and I when I called him out on *stalling* and not being honest about the politics that were changing his views--

    As a result of my confronting Neil Swidey and Dave Demaso (head of BCH psychiatry-- former colleague of mine) -- keeping the issues exactly what they were/still are regarding Harvard child psychiatry's unscrupulous conduct, the Pelletier's lawyer, Chester Tennyson (who was representing them pro bono with promise of the lawsuit against BCH) insisted the Pelletiers fire me-- and distance themselves from Barry Pollack.

    IF you look at the direct confrontations and exposure of Bader by Barry Pollack and me - you can see the focus of the Pelletier's publicity changed-- in February 2014-- changed from pressure directly on BCH/Bader to a right wing media circus political campaign-- aimed at Deval Patrick, MA Governor & DCF-- the state child welfare agency that is and always has been a minion of BCH.

    Barry Pollack won a case similar to Justina's by summer 2014-- then filed against DCF in federal court-- . HE did not want the Pelletier's lawsuit against BCH-- his strategy is to get a federal ruling against DCF for violating basic rights of parents-- have guidelines established so that DCF can no longer be the minion of any academic medical enter.

    I slid into the shadows-- turned down invitations to join the circus--Glen Beck, Dr. Phil-- and local right wing media--and though I have maintained contact with Justina and her family-- and have ALL evidence (including copies of her medical records) I would ever need to wage the real battle against BCH, I have used my *forced early retirement* as an opportunity to be with my grand kids--.

    I share this because I know how wealth and power controls media-- and how Harvard controls its image.NO FAIR GAME possible! I have opted out of putting my family through another horor show-- they survived my whistle blowing episode and my advocacy for Justina--, accepted that I cannot work as a nurse in MA-- . I will find a way to achieve the goal-- the only one I have ever really had :1) Protect kids from psychiatry-- and 2) Support youth to achieve their goals

    I don't doubt that corruption and human rights violations go hand in hand with any large, wealthy *organization*-- I don't affiliate , join any org--. I have limited time and resources-- and I trust my own judgment, only forming working affiliations with people I meet and get to know-- the internet is becoming a cess pool-- where even the most solid, decent. dedicated professional can be attacked and defamed-- LOL-- you did it to me-- can't be the first time.

    Katie Tierney Higgins RN, Today at 6:58 AM ReportReply

    Global Moderator
    Please read the Welcome to Why We Protest thread.
    This explains the culture of Anonymous here at WhyWeProtest.
    I'll take your conversation out of the Thunderdome and up to the Anonymous vr Scientology section, and clean out the original topic so the thread is cohesive.
    If you have any questions about this forum you can ask in the Still Got Questions? Thread or ask any Mod

    Katie Tierney Higgins RN
    Soo- you cannot address the REAL people you slam?
    Katie Tierney Higgins RN, 41 minutes ago ReportReply

    ill move this conversation into the your new thread. Please read the intro thread, dont expect the forum to educate you on the nature and culture of Why We Protest.
    Disambiguation, 28 minutes ago ReportReply
  27. anon8109 Member

    Another turn on the merry-go-round?
  28. Disambiguation Global Moderator

    I just undid a nest of spaghetti
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  29. Thank you for the update, I appreciate hearing from a source closer to the real story.
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  30. Justina has Mito and a very rare ,complex gastrointestinal syndrome. From her medical records, which I reviewed in April 2013 and discussions with Dr. Korson (The formerly Tuft's affiliated metabolic medical specialist) she had received the best care for both. In February 2013, just as reported on CT Fox (November 18, 2013), Justina was in a weakened state after a bout of the flu--. Dr. Korson wanted her seen and treated by his former colleague who had transferred to BCH. Dr. Flores, a GI specialist who had assisted with surgery Justina had in 2012, was NOT permitted to see Justina for months-- well after she was on Bader 5.

    Justin's problems began with a drive by psych consult in the ED. Her mother was not aware, so could not give consent. Dr. Korson, who had left BCH (and taken grant $ for Mito research with him to Tufts) was ignored entirely, not given consideration even as the physician who had directed the Pelletier's to BCH.
  31. anoninoob Member

    "There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on the Tone Scale, neither one of which has anything to do with reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts. The first is to raise them on the Tone Scale by un-enturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow."
    - L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 170

    The proper instruction attitude is, ‘We'd rather have you dead than incapable.’"
    - L. Ron Hubbard, KEEPING SCIENTOLOGY WORKING, 7 February 1965, reissued 27 August 1980
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  32. anoninoob Member

    ’Psychiatry’ and ‘psychiatrist’ are easily redefined to mean ‘an anti-social enemy of the people‘. This takes the kill crazy psychiatrist off the preferred list of professions...The redefinition of words is done by associating different emotions and symbols with the word than were intended...Scientologists are redefining ‘doctor‘, ‘Psychiatry’ and ‘psychology’ to mean ‘undesirable antisocial elements‘...The way to redefine a word is to get the new definition repeated as often as possible. Thus it is necessary to redefine medicine, psychiatry and psychology downward and define Dianetics and Scientology upwards. This, so far as words are concerned, is the public opinion battle for belief in your definitions, and not those of the opposition. A consistent, repeated effort is the key to any success with this technique of propaganda."
    - L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 5 October 1971, PR Series 12, "Propaganda by Redefinition of Words"
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  33. anoninoob Member

    "The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the lower bands of the Tone Scale from the social order would result in an almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would interrupt the dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered."
    - L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 170
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  34. Anonymous Member

    Ron the Eugenicist.

    Lovely man, if you like psychopaths.
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  35. Quentinanon Member

    "Never fear to hurt another in a just cause." from Hubbard's Code of Honour

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  36. Sorry? Are you implying that Hitler would have recruited Hubbard? based on this writing ? The documented evidence shows that Hitler had the option of choosing psychiatrists who had resumes showing their compatibility with Hitler's agenda and their proven skills sets for orchestrating mass murder.

    Please note this source is not a Scientologist . Dr. Breggin is a psychiatrist.

    More recently we have evidence of where to look for experts when torture is the goal of a *regime*

    I assume it is possible that there may be an addendum to that quote you provided above-- ?or revisions demanded by followers? I also assume you have no shame in defaming a man who cannot answer for this quote directly -- But don't you realize you are assuming Hubbard to be a qualified accomplice in Hitler's death camp genocide - based on WORDS alone?? Why would anyone deny the actual history and indict a dead man for crimes we know all about?
  37. anon8109 Member

    The point is that Hubbard wanted to utterly destroy swaths of humanity, just like Hitler did.

    He called them "low tone" and "suppressive people". He claimed that was 2% of the population and that they need to be "utterly destroyed" for the rest to thrive.

    By today's population that would mean 140 million people "disposed of quietly and without sorrow".
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