Julian the Asylum Seeker

Discussion in 'Wikileaks' started by Archer, Aug 20, 2012.

  1. Enturbulette Member

    To help out, I'll suggest, read Domscheit-Berg's 'Inside Wikileaks'. Yes he has the most unfortunate name in the world, but he has a couple of things going for him - 1 his life is transparent 2 he has almost all of the former wikileaks staff behind him. 3 as it turns out he did not particularly turn on Assange as was widely reported, but rather Assange turned on his entire staff. Not so surprising if/when you begin to read deeply into Assange's checkered past.

    But because it is obviously personal and one sided, it is good to round out the reading session with a neutral party like Leigh and Harding's book "Wikileaks: Inside Julian Assange's War on Secrecy". No matter how you stack it, Assange's intimates usually turn out to be his enemies, and somehow that only seems to bring another wave of popularity to the white haired enigma.
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  2. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Doesn't help much IMHO, especially about Manning. My initial request remains.
  3. muldrake Member

    Are you saying Bradley Manning is doing well? Seriously, are you? I got your sources right here.
  4. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Are you saying that Assange is responsible for Manning's situation in any way. Seriously, are you?
  5. muldrake Member

    Yes. Manning's choice to engage in an indiscriminate release of basically every single document he had sworn an oath to keep confidential was foolish. It may put him behind bars for the rest of his life. Assange's organization chose to blast out the same documents, wholesale, without filtering them at all. This increases the criminal liability Bradley Manning faces. Yes, more blame falls on the aptly named Adrian Lame-O, a piece of shit traitor if there ever was one.
  6. Enturbulette Member

    This is a common misconception, but it is not factually correct. The data actually was pored over by whole teams and quite a lot of it redacted. Assange also made overtures to the State Dept. to identify sensitive data, but Hillery would have none of it. Again I refer anyone reading here to D- Berg's book Inside Wikileaks - it provides a blow by blow account of what happened during the release of the cables and a whole lot of other eye opening and pertinent information. Assange is neither the demon not the angel that he is often made out to be, but there is no doubt he has acted at times in a feckless manner. Still without him, the issue of transparency in government would have probably exactly .01% of the public's attention and support. He's a mixed blessing.

    However, I will add that in the end, D-Berg, Brigitta Jonsdottir, and other important team members on Wikileaks did conclude that generally Assange was sloppy in handling sensitive data. The model they put together with Open Leaks is carefully crafted to not allow any one person to gain control of sensitive data and use it for information peddling and personal gain. It is also designed to cut down on individual media outlets control over data, which the team found ultimately counterproductive, as some media outlets would hold back publishing information if they were not given exclusives on it. Overall Open Leaks is Wikileaks 2.0, a version of the idea that is better designed and safer for the leaker. Now if they could just...actually get started leaking. They claim to be doing things very carefully, and training media and other organizations to use their model. D-Berg is a quiet and serious computer geek, who has lived a completely transparent life growing up in Germany, and doesn't think he needs to hide or operate cloak and dagger fashion. He lives in an apartment with his name on the roster at the gate. Google Open Leaks and check them out, they may very well be worth supporting.
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  7. Ann O'Nymous Member

    TL;DR By his own actions, Manning incriminated himself and faces a life sentence. That is not a reason to miss the opportunity to blame Assange...
  8. Archer Member

    Normally, to seek asylum your human rights need to be threatened, I just fail to see how his human rights are provably threatened here.
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  9. Archer Member

    Rape has been going on for centuries, does this mean nothing should be done about it? Your logic is kinda weak bro.
  10. Anonymous Member

    Rape is a crime, governments having secrets is not. In some cases it's a necessity.

    Your comparison is kinda weak bro.
  11. Archer Member

    Sometimes it's not a necessity though, sometimes they just hide shit because they know you'd be angry if you learned how your tax money is spent.
  12. muldrake Member

    Yes, there are secrets that are necessary for national security purposes. However, there is also government secrecy the purpose of which is to conceal government criminality.
  13. Anonymous Member

    So you get a flea up your ass and publicise every secret you can get your hands on. Amrite
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  14. Archer Member

    As much as I dislike Assange, in the name of fairness I'd like to point out he went to the CIA to show them the leaks before publishing them, asking them for help in editing them. They flat out refused. So, not sure where the blame lays there.
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  15. Anonymous Member

    Are you surprised? He had dox he shouldn't have! Why should they collude with him?
  16. Anonymous Member

    They were just giving him enough rope to hang himself with, ok, so you have these dox which you shouldnt have, we know a shitstorm will come your way if you publish them, so we won't help but we will let you publish so you fuck yourself.
  17. Anonymous Member

    Your continued love affair with the US government is baffling. What do they have on you? Or are you working for them?
  18. Anonymous Member

    Now that's real paranoia at work
  19. Anonymous Member

    Its that bad for you, huh?
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  23. fluxed Member

    Assange is an anti-mason - clearly. I have great respect for those who turn away
    from the cowards way. Freemasons under oath, are the dirt of the dirt.
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  24. Anonymous Member

    The ignore button works and it helps people.
  25. Galdakano Member

    Free Assange!Don't forget him please is a refugee....dam!mother fuck....
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  26. Anonymous Member

    Mr. Assange is a hero. He did what nobody else had the guts to do. Although you may claim that Bradley Manning is the true hero, for he stole the information, Wikileaks published it. Stolen information shining light on corruption isn't anything if you're the only one who has it.
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    In early 2011, Burton revealed in internal Stratfor correspondence that a secret Grand Jury had already issued a sealed indictment for Assange: "Not for Pub — We have a sealed indictment on Assange. Pls protect." (375123) According to Burton: "Assange is going to make a nice bride in prison. Screw the terrorist. He’ll be eating cat food forever." (1056988) A few weeks earlier, following Julian Assange’s release from a London jail, where he had been remanded as a result of a Swedish prosecutor’s arrest warrant, Fred Burton told SkyNews: "extradition [to the US is] more and more likely". (373862).

    Emails from Fred Burton reveal that the US Government employs the same counterterrorism strategy against Julian Assange and WikiLeaks as against Al Qaeda: "Take down the money. Go after his infrastructure. The tools we are using to nail and de-construct Wiki are the same tools used to dismantle and track aQ [Al Qaeda]. Thank Cheney & 43 [former US President George W. Bush]. Big Brother owns his liberal terrorist arse." (1067796)
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