Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Scientology's The Jive Aces are booked to play at the Innocent Summer Fete in Regent's Park on Saturday the 2nd of August. Should they be treated to an audience with Anonymous?

Can't find an event-specific email for the event co-ordinators, but Innocent can be reached here:

hello@innocentdrinks.co.uk

For miniraidery, tickets for the event are £7.50 for grown ups, and £3.50 for kiddywinks.

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

man the damn harpoons. The Jive Aces should be rickrolled as they take the stage.

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Not sure I agree with that, but would be good if Anon were there to handle the Jive Aces if they start handing out LRH literature. Here's the response from Innocent Drinks:

"Thanks for your e-mail. We just wanted to let you know that Jive Aces are coming along to play some music at our fete, and nothing more. Obviously, the religious beliefs of any of the artists playing at the fete are theirs to chose and theirs alone. We won't judge them. Nor will we allow anyone to overtly promote their religious causes at our fete. It’s a fete and not the General Synod. And in terms of money, I'm afraid we're not able to discuss whether we pay the artists or not – that’s a matter of contractual confidentiality between us and each of the artists."

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

As Innocent say they won't allow overt recruiting, could someone keep an eye on them, document any transgressions (flyers/leaflets etc) and let Innocent know so they don't make this mistake in the future?

and don't say "do it faggot", I'm bloody miles away from London. :sad:

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Seconded...

Just had this mail (below) from them. Copypasta stock reply means "We don't care what our musicians are cover for, think, hold dear or represent, as long as they are cheap (free i bet in this case) and don't scare the kids." Well I wouldn't bet on the last one...


Their stance means that Pol Pot, lead singer of "Pol Pot and the Killing Fields", could arrive with a 20 piece band made up of the worst henchmen of the Khmer Rouge, who's song, "We're only killing intellectuals because we love 'em, (That means you four eyes!)" would open "Innocent's" fete perfectly.

Man teh Harpoons!

They're only purpose is as a front for image, advertising, disseminating and making cabbage and cruise think they have real, live musos in the cult... when one listen will show all creativity and Pazaaaaz! has been TR'd out of them years ago.

Protest, loudly and often, to Innocent and the to the charities they are "supporting" at the event. I wouldn't want my kids exposed to one single bloody "Way to Happiness" wielding clam, Lindybopping or otherwise!


helloinnocentdrinks@custhelp.com

Thanks for your e-mail. Jive Aces are coming along to play some music at our fete, and nothing more. Obviously, the religious beliefs of any of the artists playing at the fete are theirs to chose and theirs alone. We won't judge them. Nor will we allow anyone to overtly promote their religious causes at our fete. It’s a fete and not the General Synod.

Kind regards,

Rowena

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Found this...

The brandgym blog: Is Innocent about to loose its way?

Dan, What an honour to have the creative genius behind the absolutely, totally brilliant innocent brand on the little old sausage blog.

So, google is your friend as they say. He's called Dan Germain, and he has a blog. On his blog is this post...

Dan Germain: give us a hand clearing this planet

Is this looking a tad fishy to anyone else yet? Too many oddities. Why would 'Innocent' put on a cult front group in the face of bad PR amongst their target demographic, it's totally at odds with the company's ethos.

Oh.. did I say 'Previous Resident My Arse!'

He just managed to link to the $cilon homepage direct from his blog, include the front AND back of the $cilon flyer so it gets read by Germain's peer group, mentions "those nice $cientologists" and there's an in joke about body thetans in the comments (that's not as funny as he makes out, unless your a clam and it's a bit close to the edge).

.. and this....

Go to

innocent drinks - a blog about our smoothies and some other stuff

'Find on this page' the word 'scientology'

Mouseover the name 'John Dodds' and see the website he's from.. MARKETING!

Digging deeper...

So, John Dodds was at 'Innocent's' AGM... (who knows the 8 dynamics, who on earth would know that except critics or clams?)

Make Marketing History: Does This Water Dilute Innocent?

This Water was until recently a part of Innocent. They then decided that it wasn't consistent with their core business and sold it to the employees who had been running it. Everything was very amicable.

But I wonder if it was too amicable because this ad makes me think that it's still part of Innocent and I'm not sure that's a good thing. Given that customers at their recent AGM voiced real possessiveness towards Innocent's packaging, I have to wonder if it would have been too harsh to have insisted that they move away from the Innocent tone of voice?

posted by john dodds @ 3:33 PM

Next is...

Make Marketing History: Innocent AGM.

On Saturday, I attended Innocent's first AGM. One of their founders told me that the key to success is making a good product. I, of course, agree that it's that simple (and that difficult). They also have insightful labelling.

It was nine years ago today that they sold their first smoothie. Today they sell more than 100 million. No wonder everybody talks about them.


So, Dodds has knowlege only clams or critics would know (imagine "How many dynamics are there in scientology?" as a trivial persuit question... who'd get it right?) He is also on casual talking terms with the founders of "Innocent". Attends AGM's, knows about the company's core ethos, the water saga, suggests moving away fron "Innocent's" tone of voice. And this Dodds list of points on his Make Marketing History seem a bit "techy" to me. (I could be wrong here) but look at point 8...

8) Disintermediate.
Discussion works best when one person speaks and another responds to them,

Isn't that from $cilon coms 101, it's sounds like a hubbardism.

Then add in the odd blog entry by it's brand guru Germain, and then this damn odd jive aces thing. A summer fete, with $cilon front group, stupid, glib, stock email, copypasta'd to anyone that complains, any further communication ignored totally.

Anonymous is there core demographic. The age group that the company relies on. Young, urban... They shouldn't have touched the JA's with a barge pole if you read the company blurb, look at their setup and projects. One look at $cientology should have had alarm bells ringing all over the firm.

But no! They not only put them on, they defend them with jokes about "the general synod" and then a brick wall.

Is this fishy enough for anyone yet?

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

The Jive Aces are in the Sea Org. Flyers could say that they can only marry Sea Org women, and Sea Org women must abort or quit if they get pregnant. An obscure snark would be asking if the billion-year contract means they have to play bland, safe "swing jazz" in all later lifetimes.

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Stop playing with it and eat your $cientologist!

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So perhaps, but i may be mistaken, it would seem to indicate that, maybe, and indeed, allegedly, Dan Germain (Hi Dan, just read your blog) is a new $cientologist, Dodds is his "minder" and the jive aces are something he's had to put on to show he's "serious" about being a clam. The link to $cilons.org, mentioning "those nice $cilons" and exposure of cult postal flyer on his blog is a backhanded way of advertising for his new buddies. This would explain the brick wall we're hitting with "Innocent" customer help...

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Hello. My name is Dan Germain and I work at innocent. In this thread it has been said that I am a Scientologist and that I am part of some conspiracy or other. Absolute rubbish is the polite retort to the theories postulated.

The tale is pretty simple, as posted on my blog. My utmost concern is that everyone who comes to our fete has a great day, so I am interested to find out a bit more about how you think the Jive Aces might ruin it for everyone. And as I don't know much about lots of the stuff mentioned above (nor lots of the terminology used) I'd be happy to have a chat with someone about it, either at our place in west London (Shepherds Bush area) or on the phone. Obviously, we'd have to have a chat soon, as our fete is only a matter of days away.

I'm glad you added the 'allegedly' above. Gratuitous slander is just no fun.

And please get in touch if you fancy that chat.

Thanks

Dan

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Don't worry, man. No one really takes batshit theories seriously, and even if they did, the amount of research that would follow it up would disprove it quickly.

But I think people are concerned that they'll start to preach or promote Scientology while on the stage, shortly afterwards, or something like that. Some of us are concerned about their beliefs/practices as Scientologists, while others of us (like myself) just don't want them promoting Scientology while at an inappropriate location, such as a concert.

My point of course would apply to stuff like Christianity as well, but from my experiences, Scientologists are under a lot of pressure to recruit new members. Also, some anon said they were promoting it at some concert he protested at or something, I think; someone might wanna hunt him down about that.

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Here's a newspaper article from 2 months back - Jive Aces defend Scientology promo - Derry Today

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Not sure it's such a good idea to target Scientologists at their jobs (or individual Scientologists at all), guys. That's something they would do (and have) to us, given the chance.

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

If they were simply performers who happened to be Scientologists, I would agree. However, they have a history of promoting Sci at their concerts (see the Derry link above) and on their website (jiveaces.com), and IIRC have promoted Narconon as well. In light of this, I see the raids as similar to targetting a stress test cart - obstructing their ability to promote Scientology - not simply targetting individual Scientologists.

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Have PM'd you Dan... (Private Messages, top right...)

LL

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Hey Dan,sorry if you think people overreacted,and for the wild accusation that you are a Scientologist.The Jive Aces,as with all Scientologists,really do have an ulterior motive,and it's not a pretty one!They call it 'clearing the planet'.It's actually a totalitarian goal.
Anonymous are doing their best to prevent this vicious cult making headway.Sometimes things go a tad awry!
Good luck with the festival!

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

I have apologised to Dan for any personal offence I may have caused, and am happy to do so here in public forum too. Perhaps my Tin Foil Hattery did lead me on, but it's an occupational hazard when dealing with the $cilons I think.

In my defence, I did show the post to an ex member who was in QVS and i got this in reply...

Quote

Well, Scientology has always courted business people. OEC Volume One course (also called The Basic Staff Hat) gets promoted not only to staff members, but to business professionals as well. Some of the Basic Courses are centered around improving your business (How To Improve Conditions in Life, Financial Success, and so on). Plus there's WISE:

WISE — World Institute of Scientology Enterprises

This has always had as its purpose the infiltration of businesses.

Whether Innocent is tangled into the Scilon web or not I don't know. From the looks of it, there could be someone around the Innocent organization that has some clout and it trying to infiltrate. It would certainly be one to watch.

One of the advantages to moving to Queen Victoria Street was that it was located int ehCity Of London, so that we would begin to attract "upstat" (read "rich") clients, unlike at TCR, where we had a lot of "downstat" (read "homeless") hanging around.

Hope that helps and feel free to post this on Enturb.

Unquote

I'll try and curb my enthusiasm for the chase in future... Sorry to anyone I upset, to Dan Germain, John Dodds and Anon. It was never my intention to enturbulate Innocent, or even enturbulate the innocent. Apologies all round.

This post isn't quite what I hoped as i'm waiting for Dan to get back to me. But glad we're all talking about the JA's though, having Sea Org straight from St.Hill playing at anyone's barbi gives me the willies!

LL

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Hello again

LL - I just posted you a private message and am happy for you to quote any of of my private messages on the public board. As for the ex-member's opinion quoted above:

From the looks of it, there could be someone around the Innocent organization that has some clout and it trying to infiltrate. It would certainly be one to watch.

...this is just yet more crazy conjecture. innocent is an open and transparent business with nothing to hide and no shadowy figures lurking in the background. These half-baked accusations are a bit daft.

Thanks

dan

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Just got Dan's permission to post his PM to me which includes an invitation to meet him and have a chat about the JA's, our concerns etc.

Here it is...

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Hello

First of all. I'm sorry you didn't like our reply. We get hundreds of emails every week, and we have to focus on the stuff about the drinks - that's the stuff that's most important to us. You can understand that we have to focus on the stuff that keeps our business moving, and getting into long conversations about things that on the face of it are slightly odd isn't the best use of our time.

As for the Jive Aces, they played our fete last year and there were no reports of any behaviour out of the ordinary. We booked them to come along, play music and then go home, and that's what they did. Obviously, you and your friends have rasied some concerns, and we'll be talking to the band to ensure that that's what they do this year. There will be no promotion of any 'religious' causes, and that goes for all acts (I know you guys probably don't like the word religious, but that's the most apt in the circumstances).

I am going to talk more to people at innocent this week about all of this. I do think it would be worthwhile for you guys to come in and meet us and explain why it would be such a bad thing for the Jive Aces to play. It would be much more likely to make an impact than lots of chat on a pretty secretive message board.

And the fact that yesterday you were accusing me of being a part of a conspiracy still doesn't sit too well with me.

Anyway, thanks for sending over the info. I will try to have a look at it all today.

Dan
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So I hand it over to the Hive Mind, consensus sought, over to you guise!

LL

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Is anybody going to meet Dan in person?I think it would be a good way to apologise and to explain some of our very legitimate concerns.
Dan:You may have noticed that we have been debating the pros and cons of protesting The Jive Aces for a while.We know that they actively promote Scientology which is something we are obviously strongly against.They are not like other Scientologist performers in the sense that they are part of Scientology's elite 'Sea Org' division.
It may seem like we are paranoid and secretive-but one has to be when dealing with the 'Church' of Scientology!

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Had a couple of ideas...

We could spread representation of the critics PoV and make a more complete presentation by having people from Anon, OG, ESMB and ESK if they're interested in taking part. So we have the views of non $cilon critics young and old, adult ex members and ex scientology kids. That's about the whole movement in four people if we have one rep. from each viewpoint.

Smallish delegation seems more practical... enough to represent our thoughts, but not too many that it becomes unwieldy. Suggest no less than three, no more than six max.

Needs to be done soon as fete is approaching rapidly.

Suspect Dan wants meeting at Innocent. Not sure... but masked, unmasked, neutral ground... cafe, quite pub are all options too.

Also, suggest any firm plans, ie: date, time, location, who... all be sorted out over secure channels, pm etc.

That's my thoughts... any others anyone?

LL

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

I think a small group,a mix of people and age ranges as you have said (I would say no more than 4 people).Make a note of key points you need to get across to Dan and Innocent about Jive Aces/Sea Org/CoS.Do it somewhere private where you won't need masks-I think it would be helpful for Dan to see the human face of Anonymous.Definetely arrange via PM.

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Fruit Towers
Lat:51.4999°
Long:-0.234168° There's a .kmz already in Google Earth. Would you call a meeting there private?

Agreed about no masks. Not ESK, OG, ESMB stylee anyway. And preparation, would be a shame to walk away and go facepalm.jpg, forgot to mention YouTube - SEA ORG Member Reveals the HORROR of Scientology's RPF or something.

Has to be done via pm in the end otherwise surveiled we will be...

LL

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

This Dan chap sounds like a good if slightly lazy (google is your friend Dan, not Anonymous!) egg with no real info on the Jive Aces & Scientology. It's the old story though of booking someone/thing without looking into the background of what and who they are. I suspect Innocent would not book a band with overt far right or left tendancies yet supporting a totalitarian religion who murders/tortures members thanks to the teachings of a nutcase scifi writer with a shaky drug rehab/human rights front is absolutely no problem! The Jive Aces version of "Way to Happiness" is the biggest advert on their site...did Dan not see this either?

Good luck with the meeting Anons, holler if you need the hive mind with preprep!

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

I will say thank you to Dan for taking the effort to not only address our concerns, but to seek us out here on the boards. I hope the meeting goes well. As far as activists go, we're well aware we're stranger than the usual, but there's always method to our madness. Our secrecy is simply a precaution when dealing with the history of silencing critics Scientology has committed and still continues to commit today.

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Hope all goes well, this Anon couldn't live without her delicious smoothies.

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Hornswoggle. Noelle North works with children as a teacher and blocked the door of a Subway like that was completely normal behavior. Bother them at their jobs if they promote in the slightest a set of 'beliefs' which promotes this kind of behavior from someone who is literally at the pinnacle of the 'church' (OT8)!

It's good of you to come to investigate what's going on sir. I ask that you take the time to review the massive amount of information here and to consider carefully what you wish to attach to your event by reputation. Sientology has lied repeatedly about connections to major corporations, charitable organizations, and relief agencies. Any connection between your event and The Jive Aces will be played up in such a way as to appear that they "saved lives" and "disseminated the tech" to another few hundred or thousand people.

Nothing good can come of any association with Scientology. Ask Coca Cola; ask 7-11; as those who didn't even give them through grants awarded as a result of possibly fraudulent representations, ask the Red Cross.

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

I've always been a fan of Innocent and their amusing packaging, so its nice to see that Dan Germain has come here to chat.

I followed the whole anon vs $cien thing with interest when it started earlier this year. I think someone from Innocent must have been following it too, because earlier this week I bought one of their smoothies and found this on the label:



Then I went googling and found this thread, so I just had to post it here.

If you dont want to zoom in to the image, the label reads:

I believe the bottle pre-dates this thread, and is just someone at Innocent riffing on the whole cruise video/anonymous thing.

So go easy on them! Clearly someone in Innocent is on your side : )

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

That bottle's label fills me with much joy, hope it is not a shop. :3
Did the bottom say anything or was it hamster kayaks again?

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

The bottom of the bottle just says "Open other end (it's easier)", which is one of their standard ones.

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Understandable as labels would be easier to change then what machine they use to mold the plastic, or so it would seem.

I didn't find that label when I checked a local shop, but one seemed to referance lolcats.

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Dan, it isn't so much telling you not to let them play, but just to make sure that they do not use the concert as an opportunity to spread Scientology propaganda, as they are all Scientologists involved in the Sea Org (Scientology's "elite core"), which stresses the need to make Scientology spread and prosper above ALL ELSE, combined with the fact that they have passed out propaganda for Scientology in the past.

It's not a matter of not letting them play for their beliefs, it's a matter of making sure they are not abusing your event for the chance to spread propaganda for their dangerous cult.

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Hello again

We have spoken to the Jive Aces and under no circumstances will they be distributing literature or a "message" of any kind, so no need to worry about that. As for meeting up with a delegation of you guys before the fete (as per my offer of a few days ago), I've yet to hear anything from you and with the fete happening this weekend, time is getting tight.

However, you can still all rest assured - we aren't going to allow Scientology to be promoted at our fete. We will be concentrating on having a fine old time in the sunshine (weather permitting).

Dan

(PS if there is some sort of pink 'Dome Me' icon at the beginning of my post, please ignore it. I don't know what it means but all my efforts to get rid of it failed)

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

I Like Dan Germaine!

Innocent definitely know what they're doing. I reckon the priority for this has just gone down quite a lot. Not that I'm saying we shouldn't mask up and watch them. Let them know that they can't get away with shit on our watch. They'll shit themselves when they see a selection of anons dotted through the crowd. :colbert:

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Nice one

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Speaking for myself, that bottle blurb just made you very OK in my book! Oh and the assurances, much as I am skeptical of the "big company promises" thang, you guys ain't Cocoa Cola so I'll give you the benefit Have a good day and if they do start handing out "Way to Happiness" brochures, do two things. 1. Throw their asses out STAT 2. Tell us on this thread so appropriate harpoons can be manned...in a very NYPA way!

Oh and if a case of Innocent should be up for grabs, I'll addressfag myself on PM(don't ask don't get people!)

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Hi Dan - I did try and call via the Innocent Bananaphone, but you weren't available each time I called and I didn't want to leave a number as you'd doubtless use it to track me by sattelite and then film me when I go to the toilet if I did.

If the Jive Aces are just going to turn up and play, and you're completely aware of the situation, then that's cool.

We will have people there watching, but they'll probably play nice so long as the Jive Aces stick to their side of the bargain.

I think you've been fair enough about this, and we consider it a win that they're not now going to be able to promote Scientology at this event.

Now - I'm looking forward to seeing whatever your copy writers come up with to go on the bottle labels as a sly dig at us. Get to it!

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Jiva Aces fees for playing = revenue for the cult.

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Anyone coming to this, it might be an idea to get tickets now in case they sell out. Beware, thought, the ticket seller (independant of innocent) puts the name on your debit card on your ticket, so be careful what you do with it after you print it out.

Ticketmaster - Promotions

Re: Jive Aces - Innocent Summer Fete 2nd August 08

Yeah, but so are the salaries of a few hundred other people we wouldn't dream of bothering in their workplace.

We've done okay here.

(Of course, if anyone does troll them irl, I'll laugh, but I'm not going to encourage it...No... so you hear that everyone? DON'T loudly rickroll the Jive Aces with trollcannons or put on V masks and leaflet during their set, 'mkay?)