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James V. Crosby v. Florida, US Supreme Court No. 13-9943

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Florida Scandal, May 24, 2014.

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Should law enforcement use bait and switch tactics on adult hookup sites, setting up random men?

Yes 8 vote(s) 66.7%
No 4 vote(s) 33.3%
  1. anonysamvines Member

    Edit to add, I responded as if night fire were FS - you Sir impersonated an idiot too well! Especially when I was on a roll!
    That doesn't affect the "brilliance of what I wrote, if I had been speaking to her and not night fire!
    Fuck night fire you just entrapped me. Call my lawyers. Call the pedobears! I need back up to prove I was entrapped)
    (Btw it was a Freudian slip that I made that mistake. But that's ok cos Jung says so - I can dox it but will take forever so don't ask me to. )


    You post others and I will keep pointing out the fallacies and cognitive dissonances

    I actually do read and examine your posts

    A question for you to answer if you can

    IF, as you say, you are so concerned with protecting the sanctity of The Constitution of the USA,saving the tapayer's money and ensuring it gets spent where it will get the most bang for the buck ...

    Why the fuck are you wasting your time and energy here?

    It would be obvious by now, even to the moron who sobered up and then drove an hour to meet someone he didn't want to have sex with and was already suspicious had lied to him. That you are not going to get any converts to your cause here.

    Why are you not spending your time more productively?

    Could it be because while you keep ranting and targeting our anger here you do not have to face what your IQ is telling you?

    Not only telling you but screaming at you!
    Especially when you read and recognise the truth in many of the posts you have had in reply!

    Your ranting here is a clear demonstration of the actuality of the metaphor "sticking fingers in ears, la la la can't hear you" image

    InB4
    I can hear it is you idiots
    And
    we get Otter porn

    No matter how deserved


    Ah fuck it
    Bring on the otter porn
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  2. anonysamvines Member

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  3. Yes, both are true but that is slowly changing. You see attorneys have a financial incentive too. If the stings get shut down, then there is no more easy money for anyone. Plus, these men are never innocent until proven guilty and you know that. Thus, the % of pleas taken are much higher than any other case. Humiliation is the name of the game and the men are always guilty even if they win their case!
  4. It is called being facetious. Since you "claim" to be 14, let me make it your new vocabulary word of the day.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/facetious

    *sigh*

    Once again, you go on the attack when you "claim" you want a debate instead of a huge shit throwing contest. This is getting old fast and I am wasting valuable booze drinking time on this shit.

    Yeah, you really have a high IQ when:
    1. You consistently make basic law errors.
    2. You don't acknowledge that all a person has to do is report a poster in a sex site that the "minor" is breaking TOS and letting the site deal with it.
    3. That if a person does ^^^ then that generates evidence against the LE/Feds/Whatever Rustled Your Jimmies Here if they go to court. Perfect entrapment dox all in a push of a report button.
    4. You made erroneous claims that video game players are pedos. Guess high IQ people are free to be prejudice and throw rocks in their glass houses, huh?
    5. You fail to error or fact check for that matter any dox.
    6. Your dox are non-empirical data.
    7. The dox you do bring that are empirical are for times when the actual issue is LE overreach in general.
    8. Hell, it is a fight to pull teeth out of a gator to even get dox from you!
    9. You keep dancing around the map and changing objectives. Today you'll be on the Feds. Tomorrow the LE. Then the day after the Feds. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
    10. You simply won't acknowledge this idea is pure fail.
    11. You don't see the dangerous and outrageous unintended consequences this idea will unleash.
    However the most damning fact of all is your attitude and behavior in this thread.

    You have done NOTHING but attack and get butthurt every fucking time people say and show (with dox and all) your idea is utter shit and has far reaching, exponentially dangerous consequences. This coming from somebody who tried very patiently to discuss this with you in a non-combative manner but you kept not addressing the issues or acknowledging the faults in your ideas because YOU wanted to be right and fuck anybody else who says you are wrong.

    I'd might concede you are a genius. A comedic genius maybe. Troll genius even, but certainly not a big brain, or Big Bang Theory show genius. Not by a Gogol lightyear.

    Now excuse me. My Johnny Walker and Captain Morgan have begged for my attention for far too long....
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  5. I don't think I'm wasting my time just yet! I have seen some very good comments that obviously show that people are thinking on the right track. Plus, it's not like I am on here 24/7! I'm only here when I don't have anything better to do. There is support here, at least in the sense that some are actually willing to "debate" it and not be childish because they are not getting their way so they post otter porn.

    This a big world filled with a lot of people that have the conscience and most importantly patience to understand the issues here. Just because you are not one of them does not mean anything.
  6. White Tara Global Moderator

  7. anonysamvines Member

    Attornies have a financial interest in getting people OFF charges.

    Even more so getting them off than in losing their cases!
    They get a reputation.
    Bigger reputation for WINNING cases, especially seemingly lost cause cases the more money they get to charge (as well as points in the pissing contest)

    Losing cases however is a DISINCENTIVE financially. The clients won't come to you. Why would they if they can say guilty, get the same sentence and save themselves the lolyer fees.

    Especially the very rich, high powered ones and legal fags whom as you rightly pointed out get stung in these stings.
    You protest these prove your point, that those people wouldn't be involved in such things, that you understand that sometimes the law is corrupt and we don't
    We, however, generally of course since no Anon can speak for all Anon, see it as
    Well d'uh .... Those cunts are being caught because the ability to think no further than yourself and/or your dick/man who pays your bills and you love is not curtailed to any one sector of mankind so let us look at ALL the facts and not just the ones that agree with me. We are aware more than most of injustice. Or like to think we are. We are generally pragmatists too - experience taught or will teach us that. Nor are we immune to idealism. .... Why else would we be here? That idealism does not mean gullible - trolling taught us that


    You keep saying this is all about money and economics.
    You keep telling us you are so smart and know best and yet even basic economics is beyond you.

    Why aren't you using your rhetoric where you may get some positive acceptance and support for your self serving bullshit

    Wasting time here is an economic cost to you and your cause
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  8. What dox have I been given? Newspaper articles that are part of the problem? I don't think so. This was meant to be a legal debate that only some of you are adept for. That's why my dox were disregarded. They were legal documents that support my argument and nullified the popular opinion pushed by mainstream media that are only lying for the police. Moral of this story is becareful what you read. My dox come from mostly .gov sites of which you have none.

    I have only been "rude" because you guys were calling me names and being rude which I will not do anymore because I realize that you don't know any other way and do not KNOW what you are talking about. I.e. The only consequence of following the procedures is a legal sex sting and not the three ring circuses we have now catching mostly men without records!

    Finally, as far as me switching topics, I have done no such thing because the topics are ALL connected. I.e. These are federal operations performed by state AND federal agencies. Moreover, you just can't keep up because you are more concerned with being right, ignoring me, just because you are afraid of the "what if's" involved when I am right. You cannot deny it because that is the reason you brought up the negative consequences very unintelligently because by you doing that you have basically agreed that I am right.
  9. Oops lol thank you!
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  10. meep meep Member


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  11. So tell me, what kind of good reputation will an attorney create by getting the illegal sting tactics stopped? He won't he will just be accused of being a pedophile lover. Therefore, it's more economical and financially beneficial for attorneys to play it safe and wait for the next sting victim to walk through the door!
  12. I have not made any legal mistakes! You are just projecting your failings onto me by creating comments that only look good but are ultimately false so you can get these "sheep" to like your comment.
  13. anonysamvines Member


    Do you forget that I have used quotes from YOUR OWN DOX to disprove your assertions.
    Not once have I used any outside dox or sources

    And you do not address the points I raise.
    You merely try to insult me or ignore them.

    Both the insults (which make me laugh in their ineptness) and more tellingly, the refusal to address the very valid points I raise, all of which stem from your statements and dox, point out very strongly that you know your position and arguments are based on self serving phallacies


    BTW
    If you haven't been inundated with PM's supporting you yet. ....q
  14. meep meep Member

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  16. Proof that you are not paying attention! The guy only agreed to tell "her" what she wanted to hear so he could have sex with her and leave. He assumed that because he has a 12 inch penis he most certainly could convince the "whore" that she did not want him having sex with her "daughter". He said he was not about to even try to put it in someone that small and only a real woman could handle it. Therefore, he was arrested simply because the undercover had the idea not ever knowing what HIS true intentions were.
  17. Where are these quotes from "my dox"? I have only used dox to support my opinion. You are not ready to analyze the ones that merely appear to contradict.
  18. You should consider yourself fortunate. I'm just finishing up my second glass of scotch and I felt like coming back!

    Bullshit.

    You have been given dox. Lots of times in this thread.

    It's not my duty to read through this thread again and repost them. Only to have you ignore them or dismiss them because they don't agree with you.

    As for this "Legal debate", I am sure that WWP is the wrong place for such things. Go find a nice legal forum and have this discussion there. I'll bet a billion Internets you'll be laughed out of there before getting banhammered. Much like I am getting hammered now.


    What were you expecting? WWP to just jump on your idea without reviewing it first?

    You come on here. Gave us a bullshit idea with laughable and rediculous Dox and were told by many here "no". Most couldn't give a fuck because they live overseas and their laws are way different than here. (Trufax: Europe does not have Stings because of legal reasons).

    Now you want to dismiss our dox by stating they are "lies by mainstream media lying for the cops" without proving that they are "lies by mainstream media lying for the cops"?

    You know who else says "mainstream media"? Teabaggers and ultra conservatives. Both uncreditable and laughable. If you are either of these, I'd think you be in favor of what we have now? A system in place that has limited Fed Gov control (Sites reporting pedos to LE if they have evidence of such a thing) and relies on local action (local LE creating and executing these busts).

    Also: There is a first time for everything. So fucking what if they didn't have a record before? They get caught trying to fuck a minor? Throw the fucking book at them and that sorts that out. Doesn't matter if it is their first or fifeith time. If it is a bad bust, then there are ways to prove it and ways to compensate the victim if a wrong or corrupt bust occurs.

    Bottom line: The way things are is fine. There is a balance. While no system is perfect, there are ways to make the wrong right again.

    "lies by mainstream media lying for the cops"Finally, as far as me switching topics, I have done no such thing because the topics are ALL connected. I.e. These are federal operations performed by state AND federal agencies. Moreover, you just can't keep up because you are more concerned with being right, ignoring me, just because you are afraid of the "what if's" involved when I am right. You cannot deny it because that is the reason you brought up the negative consequences very unintelligently because by you doing that you have basically agreed that I am right.[/quote]

    No they are not.

    Feds are taking care of international shit. States take care of local shit. /fin

    I give you 0 points for trying to turn my words and facts against me. Keep trying to appear intelligent because you clearly are not. Otherwise you'd see what you are doing is fighting a losing battle over something that has far reaching concequences you don't want to admit.
  19. Twisting my words again are we? Here is what I stated:

    There is support here, at least in the sense that some are actually willing to "debate" it...
  20. Why can't you just post all your fallacies in one quote instead of constantly going back to the same post again and again?

    Some "genius" you are.
  21. anonysamvines Member

    No, only in your mind does it mean I haven't been paying attention
    Remember where I said FUCK YOU - it is not our duty to protect YOU and YOURS from their own stupidity?

    Anyone who is STUPID enough to go NEAR anyone saying Can't fuck me if you don't fuck my UNDERAGE daughter first deserves anything they get. And a Darwin Award!

    The constitution, legislature, or the government could not protect such STUPIDITY from itself

    Actions speak louder than words
    But sticking with the words theme
    How does your statement that
    these "poor, innocent, helpless victims" of a raging hard on are not culpable for anything they do, and should not be accountable for any actions committed while under the influence of said raging hard on and being men.
    Match with they had no intent to do underage kids
    Even when presented with them in fact

    Actions speak louder than words

    Their actions speak volumes

    And remember, it was YOU that posted the judgement that included the words
    "What would a normal law abiding citizen do"
    YOU are the one who stated These are law abiding citizens

    Who didn't abide by the law
    Or by any decent standards (and I speak as someone YOU would probably call a pervert)

    Keep on trolling, just don't make the mistake of thinking we are doing anything more than keeping our hand in while we wait for something more interesting* to come along


    * or kittens/otter porn
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  22. No they are not.

    Feds are taking care of international shit. States take care of local shit. /fin

    I give you 0 points for trying to turn my words and facts against me. Keep trying to appear intelligent because you clearly are not. Otherwise you'd see what you are doing is fighting a losing battle over something that has far reaching concequences you don't want to admit.[/quote]

    You said: Trufax: Europe does not have Stings because of legal reasons.

    I say: You think it might be because of what I am talking about? Did you know that Europe used to do stings but used a warning on the site to let people know a sting was active?

    You said: Feds are taking care of international shit. States take care of local shit.

    I say: shows how simplistic your knowledge of law enforcement is. I.e. Since these "crimes" are committed on the internet, there are no jurisdictional boundaries and ALL cases can be prosecuted by state or federal agencies.

    Wow, I am only "losing" this "debate" because you guys have NO IDEA what you are talking about but are naive enough to actually believe you do. Confidence is bad for you, please slow down and think about what you write. I'm not being mean either. It's just constructive criticism.
  23. anonysamvines Member

    Oh so the tame attornies you advertise on your blog, and the others you named as being on board with your cause are not making good money?
    Or are they just not well regarded?
    Or not very able?

    If so why are you promoting them?
    Why are you using their name to try and bolster the legitimacy of your position and the image you portray?

    Lalalala I can hear you and you are fluent in both bullshit and stupidity
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  24. Oh yeah, you guys sure try to be clever. You almost made me forget about the dox I asked for that I KNOW do not exist. Where are the dox proving the tactics are a regular criminal enterprise? I.e. Where are the dox proving that thousands maybe even millions of teens are trying to have sex with random middle-aged men on adult sites by lying about their ages?

    This evidence does not exist because it is common knowledge that kids want to have sex with each other as you have all agreed. What's that smell again? Oh yeah, the fantasy defense!
  25. Wow that made no sense particularly because I adamantly objected to advertising for anyone when "you geniuses" tried to get the thread banned as spam! Also, this is a legal thread so of course attorneys are going to be brought up! I want to say something else but I also want to be nice. Just please don't comment if you are not on my level yet! You know, intellectual not emotional.
  26. White Tara Global Moderator

    OMG really, please stop, you do yourself a disservice sir.
  27. Stupid, or just trying to be slick to take advantage of a woman trying to take advantage of him? See you guys can't compete with me but I will not give up on you guys!
  28. It was a joke but yeah I got it. You are so helpful! I like when you are here!
  29. White Tara Global Moderator

    Right, so dazzle us with some additional salient dox ;)
  30. LULZ BABY! LULZ!
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  31. White Tara Global Moderator

  32. Hmmmm? Well I'm not at my desk right now BUT we can examine some case law that I can get out of my head! Do you guys want to do that?
  33. I think they pulled a Homer!
  34. Ok guys, please interpret this case and compare it to the procedural violations mentioned in this thread:

    Gennette vs. State, 1D12-3407 (Sept. 13, 2013)
    Because the preponderance of the evidence, as set out in the e-mail messages, showed the law enforcement officer’s methods of persuasion induced or encouraged, and as a direct result caused Appellant’s unlawful communications, the legal definition of entrapment set out in section 777.201, Florida Statues was met and the motion to dismiss should have been granted. The law does not tolerate government action to provoke a law-abiding citizen to commit a crime in order to prosecute him or her with that crime.
  35. nightfire Member

    This explains so much!
  36. nightfire Member

    Wow... you are really...something
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  37. I'm about to pee my pants! I didn't say that! Is that really me? Come on now! Look, I can't provide dox on a lot of stuff because I would be breaking the law. This was supposed to be a general discussion along the lines of "well yes that's illegal". I gave you guys the most important stuff! I want to give you more but only after you agree there could be something to this. I have documents by LE stating they are following procedure but because of the several won cases you know they are not.

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