Its The Seizures Not the autism which should be the focus. The seizure history is a clearer issue medically, and a seizure is likely what lead to his death by falling. Lack of treating the seizures was due to $cientology. I believe this is the more important issue, and that the autism thing will diffuse attention from the more direct cause of his death. Once you bring up autism the discussion spins out of control. Seizures are more understandable, more controllable, and more deadly when not treated. May Jett rest in peace, but not those responsible for his death.
Re: Its The Seizures the seizures were most likely the cause of his death. (not autism, since it is not fatal) But autism should remain in the picture since Sci refuses to recognize its existence. We just shouldn't connect autism with Jett's untimely death.
Re: Its The Seizures Focus on the seizures for the sake of his death, but also focus on the autism for how John fucked his kid's life up by not giving him therapeutic treatment, and now he can never work to repair it.
Re: Its The Seizures Ugh, am I the only person who's been researching and reading news articles? AUTISM IS CONNECTED TO SEIZURES Autistic children may have repeated body movements such as rocking or hand flapping. They may have unusual responses to people, attachments to objects, resistance to change in their routines and/or aggressive or self-injurious behavior. At times they may seem not to notice people, objects or activities in their surroundings. Some children with autism also develop seizures, in some cases not until adolescence. Scientology and Autism - Mutually Exclusive (WTF??) The Technologist We have enough evidence to suggest that Jett's possible autism IS related to the seizure that killed him!
Re: Its The Seizures How can they know jett seizured? goto bathroom in evening die found in morning "he had a seizure" how do they know (plz tell me if it is obvious and i am stupid)_
Re: Its The Seizures I wasn't going to answer seriously in ANY of these threads because most of them having me banging my head on my keyboard lately, but some signs of seizing are quite apparent. I always know when I've seized due to the fact that I've chewed my tongue up, among other things.
Re: Its The Seizures I have been wondering about that. They said he banged his head twice on something in the bathroom. I was wondering if there may be the slight possibility he did that on purpose, but the most logical answer is a seizure, since he has had a history of seizures.
Re: Its The Seizures Apparently some people around here are too fucking stupid to bother doing a literature search for any links between autism and seizure disorders. Sorry for your loss of brain cells, but maybe OP should have a re-think about so drastically exceeding his daily allowance of measurable fail. The story is unfolding and accounts are emerging about Travolta, the word "autism," and his public reaction to people using it around him (shattering suppression / reshaping reality with denial). There's reason to believe autism is connected, and ADMITTED seizure disorder which $cilontololligy refuses to allow meds for because they're neurological alteration. I totally agree the seizures are important, but the overall denial of seizure disorders neurological causes and the "non-existence" of everything from epilepsy to autism needs to be connected with this death. I'm sorry you don't see enough of a factual basis to support the choice, but even if there's not I think it SERIOUSLY needs to be done. It's $cilontololligy's beliefs in leeches that are nao on trial over the rotting body of a dead "retard." Yeah, that's non-PC, hard, cruel speech... but it's freaking TRUE. We need to stop being so pattycake, and to continue helping the media to connect the dots between the beliefs and ACTIONS / CHOICES of the parents which resulted in death of minor child.
Re: Its The Seizures No one actually knows. I mean the cause of death seems to be blunt trauma to the head. As to why and how that blaunt trauma occured? Did he slip? Did he have a seizure? Was he jacking off and had a orgasmic slip? No one really knows. In anonymous fashion though the lack of information has taken this from a kid dies by a fall in the bathroom to AUTISM CAUSED A SEIZURE WHICH SCIENTOLOGY DOES NOT ALLOW MEDICATION AND THAT NEGLECT KILLED HIM! Which is cool, the media is running with the autism thing.
Re: Its The Seizures Well Magoo has claimed to have played a major role in getting Travolta into Scientology. So technically ...
Re: Its The Seizures Apparently they DO recognize autism when it suits their porpoises: Hope for the autistic in a Boston school
Re: Its The Seizures Autism and seizures go hand in hand as much as 40% of the time. Thats an awfully big correlation.
Re: Its The Seizures Under the circumstances, and due to his well documented history of seizures, a broken nose and smashed skull would generally be considered valid evidence of a seizure.
Re: Its The Seizures I'm not. I was just reading this article and wondering if the Amish children were treated for their seizures. My guess is no based on the last sentence, Medical News: Seizure Disorder in Amish Children Points to Autism - in Neurology, Seizures from MedPage Today
Re: Its The Seizures My nephew has autism and he has had many seizures. He has been tested, retested, and re-retested by neurologists and other specialists to make sure he did not have some other medical condition along with the autism. He has no other health issues. His seizures are not regular. His seizures seem to be brought on mainly by drastic changes in his environment. In his case, it is exacerbated by fatigue or stress. His parents were not able to travel with him for a very long time because every time they would travel, he had seizures. This is because he is being taken out of his comfort zone for long periods of time and he gets very stressed out. This is common in autistic kids. The specialist they were seeing put my nephew on medication to help with the seizures. Since then, they have been able to travel with him with no real issues. He was put onto the medication 2 years ago and has had only 1 very small seizure in that period of time. Prior to being put on medication, he had horrible seizures quite often.
Re: Its The Seizures Okay, I'll accept all that. I suppose if someone's autism is linking them with having seizures, then medication is definitely necessary. I can tell you though, that auditing will not make seizures go away...
Re: Its The Seizures I thought I was having a siezure once As it turns out I was just fapping vigorously. Finally I expelled body thetans ( or something ) down there. Creamy sticky white body thetans. then I was all better
Re: Its The Seizures I agree with you 100% Relyt. The Travolta's should have treated him medically and should have got him the proper counseling and education he needed. Well, I don't know what kind of education he was getting, but definitely proper medical care which includes medication(s) may have saved Jett's life. There are some excellent programs out there where the doctors, counselors, and teachers communicate and share information to make sure that the autistic child is getting the proper care, treatment, and education. It is expensive, but surely the Travolta's could have afforded it. These programs can help even the most socially challeneged of the autistic kids.
Re: Its The Seizures god, they are just going to (/are) say that he was on meds for seizures anyway. then the story will go away. i guess there is no way to confirm that he wasnt other than quotes about how he isnt on meds (from the horses mouths) or medical records. Personal Research Team Go Go Go!
Re: Its The Seizures Yes, but when the autopsy is performed, they WILL check to see what kind of medications he had in his system. Not only that, they will check the quantity. Even though it is being said he had a seizure and hit his head, the cause of death and what contributed to the fall in the shower is unknown. Believe me when I tell you his death will be scrutinized.
Re: Its The Seizures I agree with you, we are not here talking about this because of this accident/neglect. We are here to try to expose Scientology and to try to prevent them from endangering people with their insane medical practices. We also have a limited time window to get the maximum exposure for this so staying on top of the seizure story being put out by Travolta's lawyers : "McDermott said he had no knowledge of Jett's medical history but "understood he had a history of seizures." It is unclear whether Jett was taking medication for that." All we can do is try our best to make them pick a story and stick with it. If we can do it before the autopsy then all the better. We could just wait another 24 -36 hours to start researching what ever we hear from the autopsy before it dies in the media or we can take advantage of the weekend and try to do some good. If it turns out that the autopsy says something completely different happened we have another race for time on our hands and wasted our weekend. I hear lots of people just slip and fall in the bathroom. It could just be that.
