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Discussion in 'Narconon' started by RolandRB, Apr 26, 2012.

  1. RolandRB Member

    In France, Scientology got fined for the "illegal practice of pharmacy". It seem that the law in France is either different than the UK or perhaps the UK has not cottoned on. The defendants in France claim that they were told that taking these vitamins and minerals would "improve their mental" state and by selling them these vitamins governed by this advice was somehow the "illegal practise of pharmacy".

    Is French law different to UK law or are we all missing something we could use in the UK to get the Purif and Narconon detox closed down?

    Maybe it is hidden in here somewhere:
    http://www.avenaconsultants.co.uk/documents/stat-reg-herbalists_full_001.pdf

    or in here:
    http://www.food.gov.uk/scotland/regsscotland/ull/claims/

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    Article 13 of the EU Regulation on nutrition and health claims made on foods (1924/2006) requires EU Member States’ competent authorities (in the UK this is the Food Standards Agency) to submit a list of draft health claims to the EU Commission. This draft list will include claims (submitted to the Agency by industry) that are eligible for consideration to be on the final Community list of permitted claims. The European Food Safety Authority will assess submissions from all Member States and the EU will produce a final list of permitted health claims.
    Claims eligible for consideration are:
    • those describing or referring to the role of a nutrient or other substance in growth, development and the functions of the body
    • psychological and behavioural functions
    • slimming, weight control, a reduction in the sense of hunger, an increase in the sense of satiety and the reduction of the available energy from the diet
    Health claims of any other nature are not eligible for this list.

    To qualify for the EU list, these claims must also be based on generally accepted scientific evidence and be well understood by the consumer. The Agency invited submissions to the UK list of health claims in October 2006 and below is a link to information about that process. The Agency closed this list to submissions on 21 September 2007. Industry representative organisations and the EU institutions had agreed a format for provision of these claims and the UK invited claims by way of a template consistent with this format.
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    ...in this PDF linked to in the above site we find a list of "claims" which have an ID number:
    http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/pdfs/listofukhealthclaims03.pdf

    ^^ search the above document for Vitamin B3. Do the clams needs to file a "Claim ID" in the UK if these high doses of vitamins improve your health and well-being? I think they do! I think this is what got them in France and the same applies in the UK and all other EU countries. I think that the detoxification programme, whether it be the "Purification Rundown" or the Narconon programme, is now illegal throughout Europe. :D
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  2. RolandRB Member

  3. Anonymous Member

    Isn't the mere fact that a duly licenced physician is not, at any juncture, overseeing this programme enough to warrant investigation by the relevant authorities?
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  4. RolandRB Member

    It might be enough to say that they are selling it and are making medical claims about it. It seemed to work in France. You can maybe complain that it claims a "Clear Body, Clear Mind" after doing it and that might be enough to get it shut down.
  5. RolandRB Member

    • Possible illegal claims made about vitamins at the Church of Scientology, St. Hill Manor, East Grinstead
    To envhealth@midsussex.gov.uk

    From: Roland Rashleigh-Berry (rolandberry@hotmail.com)
    Sent: 27 April 2012 01:26:40
    To: envhealth@midsussex.gov.uk


    Dear Sirs,

    As I understand the situation, the Church of Scientology at St. Hill manor in East Grinstead sell a detoxification program called the "Purification Rundown" that claims to rid the body of toxins and makes people more alert and raises IQ as described in one of their publications:
    http://www.clearbodyclearmind.com/

    If I understand EU law correctly then any claims about any health benefits of foodstuffs must be offically lodged with the EU as described on this web site:
    http://www.food.gov.uk/scotland/regsscotland/ull/claims/

    The Church of Scientology is perhaps making illegal claims due to EU law about the health benefits of the vitamins and minerals that they dispense in large doses on this "Purification Rundown". I would be grateful if you could look into this issue and if need be pass it on to a relevant department.

    Yours faithfully,
    Roland Rasshleigh-Berry
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  6. BigBeard Member

    The link in the OP has this to say about niacin(vitamin B3) on page 583:

    One of the references listed is:

    The link in the reference is obsolete, the new link that actually works is:

    http://ec.europa.eu/food/fs/sc/scf/out80j_en.pdf

    The report has this to say regarding the "Tolerable Upper Intake Levels" for the two forms of Niacin studied:

    It should be noted that the highest medically supervised clinical dosage mentioned in this report is 3g, the more common clinical dosages being 1.5g and 2g. Nothing anywhere near the NarCONon/Purif doses of 5g is mentioned at all.

    BigBeard
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  7. RolandRB Member

    Don't they sell vitamins for auditing as well? Does anyone have a reference for this? Seems to me they are giving out advice about these foodstuffs and acting as a pharmacy where it is not legal to do so.

    Looking through the list of "scriptures" at:
    http://www.xenu-directory.net/scriptures/

    ...I see 3 entries for "Vitamins":
    HCOB 27 Dec. 1965, Vitamins
    LRH ED 73 INT, 0 Dec. 1968, Vitamins
    HCOB 24 Oct. 1971 II, Vitamins

    Could some kind Anon track down those issues? :)

    Search on "vitamin" in this PDF:
    http://www.tep-online.info/laku/usa/reli/scien/SECRETDOX/1976_78.PDF
  8. RolandRB Member

    La question s'est posée également de l'évasion des fonds vers l'étranger ,en raison
    de sur facturation des produits fournis par les structures étrangères de la
    Scientologie: prix des ouvrages de la librairie S.E.L. parfois dix fois supérieur au
    prix général d'une édition commune comparable en tirage, sans aucune
    justification contractuelle, le prix réel de l'électromètre vendu aux adeptes qui
    permet à la Scientologie des marges bénéficiaires nettes de l'ordre de 75%, et le
    prix des vitamines vendues par l'intermédiaire des structures commerciales de la
    Scientologie à un prix bien supérieur à celui des mêmes molécules lorsqu'elles
    sont délivrées en pharmacie.


  9. RolandRB Member

    Le tribunal n'a pas à se prononcer sur l'efficacité ou non de cette procédure mais
    de savoir ,si l'utilisation des vitamines ,et plus exactement leurs délivrance ou
    diffusion faite au cours de ce "rundown"rentre dans la qualification de l'exercice
    illégal de la pharmacie
    Des recherches ont été faites dans le cadre de l'instruction, sur les vitamines
    utilisées et c'est au vu du résultat de ces recherches que le Conseil National de
    l'Ordre des Pharmaciens s'est constitué partie civile et a été entendu le 3 novembre
    2003
    Les substances sont celles qui ont été procurées aux plaignants par l'intermédiaire
    de la société G&G, et celles qu'ils pouvaient se procurer plus simplement au siège
    même de l'association. Elles sont l'objet des réquisitions d'informer des chefs
    d'exercice illégal de la médecine et de la pharmacie, et il convenait en conséquence
    de savoir si, au sein de l'association ASES il existait une activité relevant de la
    thérapeutique et du monopole légal de la pharmacie.
    Le 25 mars 1999, Monsieur PEPIN, expert en biologie a été commis aux fins
    d'examiner les substances contenues dans les produits remis par Mme "Ma////"
    et saisis au cours de l'enquête et présentés par la société

    G&G comme des
    vitamines, aux fins de rechercher dans quelles catégories de produits (médicaments
    ou autres) elles devaient être classées et si leur présentation était conforme à la
    réglementation.
    L'expert a remis son rapport le 12 août 1999, il a rappelé la définition juridique
    française qui, aux termes de l'article L.511 du code de la santé publique, "fait un
    médicament, toute substance ou composition présentée comme possédant des
    propriétés curatives ou préventives à l'égard des maladies humaines ou animales,
    ainsi que tout produit pouvant être administré à l'homme ou à l'animal en vue
    d'établir un diagnostic médical ou de restaurer, corriger ou modifier leur fonction
    organique." Il a également développé les trois critères de définition du
    médicament, c'est à dire par présentation, par fonction et par composition.
    "Dans tous les échantillons de produits saisis, ont été retrouvées comme principes
    actifs des vitamines, et particulièrement les vitamines A, Bl, B2, B3, B5, B6, B9,
    B12, C, D et H, des molécules divers telles PAB A, Choline, Inositol et Iode, ainsi
    que des minéraux, Magnésium, Potassium, Calcium, Manganèse, Fer, Cuivre et
    Zinc.
    Ces vitamines et oligo-éléments sont tous présentés avec une posologie et une
    composition annoncée, et, en tant que matières premières et principes actifs ont
    pour objet de restaurer ou corriger les carences potentielles. Ils répondent bien en
    terme de présentation et de fonction et composition, à la définition de l'article
    L.511 du code de la santé publique."
    L'expert a ainsi conclu que les produits analysés appartenaient tous au monopole
    de la pharmacie et devaient à ce titre - 1) être fabriqués dans un établissement
    pharmaceutique régulièrement et dûment autorisé, - 2) avoir obtenu une
    autorisation de mise sur le marché et - 3) être commercialisés et distribués sous
    contrôle pharmaceutique.
    L'agence française de sécurité sanitaire des produits de santé (AFSS APS) a apporté
    une première réponse technique sur les produits trouvés chez Mme "Ma////",
    confirmant les termes de l'expertise, ainsi certains produits sont bien des
    médicaments par présentation, d'autres des médicaments par fonction, ces deux
    catégories nécessitant avant toute commercialisation une autorisation de mise sur
    le marché.
    Les mis en examens ont contesté tout exercice illégal de la pharmacie à raison
    d'une modification de la réglementation applicable à la suite d'une directive
    européenne de 2002 sur les compléments nutritionnels qui figure au dossier .
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  11. RolandRB Member

    Le tribunal n'a pas à se prononcer sur le efficacité ou non de cette procédure mais
    de savoir, si le utilisation des vitamines, et plus exactement leurs délivrance ou
    diffusion faite au cours de ce "rundown" rentre dans la qualification de le exercice
    illégal de la pharmacie

    The court does not have to decide on the effectiveness or not of this procedure but of knowing, if the use of the vitamins, and more exactly their delivery or diffusion made during this " rundown" return in the qualification of the illegal exercise of pharmacy


    G&G comme des vitamines, aux fins de rechercher dans quelles catégories de produits (médicaments ou autres) elles devaient être classées et si leur présentation était conforme à la réglementation. L'expert a remis son rapport le 12 août 1999, il a rappelé la définition juridique française qui, aux termes de l'article L.511 du code de la santé publique, "fait un médicament, toute substance ou composition présentée comme possédant des propriétés curatives ou préventives à l'égard des maladies humaines ou animales, ainsi que tout produit pouvant être administré à l'homme ou à l'animal en vue d'établir un diagnostic médical ou de restaurer, corriger ou modifier leur fonction organique." Il a également développé les trois critères de définition du médicament, c'est à dire par présentation, par fonction et par composition.

    G&G like vitamins, for purposes to seek in which categories of products (drugs or others) they were to be classified and if their presentation were in conformity with the regulation. L' expert submitted his report on August 12, 1999, it pointed out the French legal definition which, under the terms of l' L.511 article of the public health code, " fact a drug, any substance or composition presented like having curative or preventive properties with l' regard of the human or animal diseases, like very produced which can be managed with l' man or with l' animal for d' to establish a medical diagnosis or to restore, correct or modify their function organique." It also developed the three criteria of definition of drug, c' is to be said by presentation, function and composition.
  12. RolandRB Member

    ^^^Basically what the above is saying is that the vitamins were presented as having curative or restorative properties for human health and so this makes it a medication according to the French legal definition and so they are practicing illegal pharmacy.

    The same definition applies in English law.

    This makes Narconon and Churches of Scientology pharmacies. They are buying manufactured medicine, making claims about its efficacy and reselling it at a profit. That means they are acting as pharmacies.

    To sum up:

    1) They are making medical claims about foodstuffs that is not allowed.
    2) They are administering medicine while not being qualified to do so
    3) They are acting as pharmacies
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  16. RolandRB Member

    I'll add to this list when I think of the illegal things the Scientologists are doing in the UK re the Purification Rundown and the Narconon detoxification programme and therefore why it must be stopped in the UK (as has already happened in France). "HCOPL" is an abbreviation of "Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter" and the Church of Scientology will possess all these issues and can show them to the relevent authorities.

    1) They are aiming to "cure" the body and improve the functioning of the mind with vitamins, rather than just encourage their members to eat a healthy diet, and therefore this constitutes "practising medicine without a licence" (see book "Clear Body; Clear Mind" for what they are aiming to achieve with the programme and follow link http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Howweregulat...ductneedalicence/Borderlineproducts/index.htm for a legal definition of "medicine" according to EU law).
    2) The doses of vitamins are above the dietary maximum many fold and at a level that can cause physiological changes so again they are practising medicine without a licence (the following "drug bomb" is administered 4x daily - http://www.narconon-europa.net/drugbomb.htm - e.g. the niacin maximum dose of 4g daily exceeds the typical maximum prescribed dose for the lowering of cholesterol )
    3) The dose levels rise to toxic levels which is a danger to health and might cause damage to the liver (see previous point 2).
    4) Ingested substances that are aimed at causing physiological changes and that possibly cause adverse events have to be of prescription quality with their manufacture controlled and approved by the relevent drug authority and in this case it is not.
    5) They are advising on the beneficial effects of vitamins whereas under European law no such thing is allowed unless it is a registered "claim" for the vitamin and has been so approved by the EU( http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/pdfs/listofukhealthclaims03.pdf ).
    6) By recommending the positive benefits of the vitamins and reselling them to its members then they are acting as an "illegal pharmacy" (they were recently prosecuted in France concerning this matter and this was upheld at the Court of Appeal 02 Feb 2012 http://www.ingo-heinemann.de/Cour-DAppel-Paris-Dossier-10-00510-2fev2012-jugement-Scientology-anonyme.pdf ).
    7) They are endangering the health of their members using this programme and not medically supervising them whilst on this programme using qualified medical staff.
    8) They are failing to monitor pulse rate, blood pressure and liver enzyme levels which should be a minimum for such a programme which includes vigorous physical exercise plus long total daily periods in a sauna (pulse rate and blood pressure once a day - liver enzyme levels once every few days and before programme start).
    9) They are preventing or discouraging members on such a programme from consulting with their house doctor (GP) should they feel a need, due to internal Scientology policies, therefore they are preventing or discouraging access to qualified medical personnel whilst on this potentially harmful programme (HCOPL 26 July 1965 "Release Declaration Restrictions Healing Amendments").
    10) Their response to adverse events occuring on the programme is medically inappropriate in that instead of stopping the program or reducing dosage they apply their internal policies to continue the programme using their reasoning of "what turns it on will turn it off" and "the way out is the way through" (HCOPL 27 May 1965, "Processing").
    11) Should a member become so ill on the programme that they have to discontinue it, they are prevented or discouraged from consulting with their house doctor (GP) and instead are expected to use Scientology processes to resolve the problem (which processes they will have to pay for) rather than blame the programme itself. The Scientology processes to resolve the problem go the route: Green Form (HCOPL 7 April 1970RB); C/S Series 53 RL SF; PTS/SP course; PTS Rundown. This will cost them a lot of money and take up a lot of time and so prevent them from seeking medical help that may be urgently required as a result of damage done to their health whilst on the original programme.
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  17. RolandRB Member

    ^^ ROTFLMFAO - coming to your local authority any day soon. :p
  18. anon walker Moderator

    I seem to recall you were active in forcing Tottenham Ct. to quit dispensing therapeutic dosages of vitamins some years ago? Or did nothing come of that?
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  19. RolandRB Member

    You are on the right topic but it was different. Through me, they were forced to have a separate food preparation area for their vitamins because they were "foodstuffs" and they were forced to wear chef's hats and aprons in that area when they dispensed the vitamin pills into sterilised containers.

    God, I should be immortalized for all the suppressive things I have done over the past 20 years. How about somebody create a video game with me the destroyer of clambeds? Maybe that scilon destroyer game with me as an available mask?
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  20. Anonymous Member

    I think it may have backfired.

    [IMG]
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  21. RolandRB Member

    I just made a small but important update to point 1 by adding a link to the definition of "medicine" according to EU law that is held on the MHRA web site.
  22. RolandRB Member

    The Next Stage - the French Jugement

    I have put some more effort into my 11 points to make them hopefully watertight and added references that can be checked up on. I'll be making some minor improvement over the next few days before I go in for surgery. My work is done and I can not plan for more but there is more important work to be done.

    The laws on medicine are EU laws and apply in all EU member states. The jugement in France used those same laws and the outcome was unchallenged. This then makes it a legal precedent that can be used for all other EU countries to rid those countries of the Narconon detox and the Purification Rundown. And once rid of those and with no neighbouring country to use then it is no longer financially viable for the CoS to remain in that country.

    What is needed to make that happen is to produce a good English translation of the official copy of the French Jugement. We will also need a German translation and an Italian one plus a few others so that it can be used in other EU member countries to order the Narconon detox and Purification Rundown to be closed down.

    If people make the effort then this can be achieved for all EU countries. It needs translators, it needs lawyers, it needs doctors to help but if you can get these resources willing to help then this thing can be done.

    P.S. This looks like an official legal copy that we could use:

    http://www.ingo-heinemann.de/Cour-D...510-2fev2012-jugement-Scientology-anonyme.pdf

    Sur les faits d'exercice illégal de la pharmacie
    (we need a good translation into English of that section)

    P.P.S. OK, this is the appeal court decision with all the original complaints in it and the confirmation that the complaints still stand. This is extremely important for all the other EU member states that are infested with Scientology. It goes far beyond the Narconon / Purification Rundown issue but condemns both of those in any case.

    I'll stress this again. This is extremely important for all EU member states with a scientology presence.

    We need the whole thing translated into English and German at the very least.

    There is hardly anyone who can translate French into German direct so this is best done translating French -> English -> German.

    Can we starts on this please? I can't do much as I am going into hospital in a few days. I think it needs its own situation room. For Europe, this will be the most important action of 2012. It all depends on us now. If we do our jobs properly then Scientology might be gone from europe in a couple of years.

    Maybe one of the moderateurs Francais can get this off the ground or knows somebody who can and set up a situation room for this.

    We are looking at the most important thing for scourging this cult from Europe that will ever be seen.
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  23. RolandRB Member

    ^^ There is already a rough Google translation in the French section of this forum.
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  25. RolandRB Member

    OK, I am planning to close down now for my up-coming operation. It will take me a month to get over it. After that the work on offer is intensive programming which I will gladly accept and I know that it will take me six months to come up to speed. That means six months of having to switch my brain off in the evening (using standard procedure) so that I get a good night's sleep. So that means I am done for 2012 apart from tidying up a few small things. I might come back with a vengeance in 2013 but maybe I should stop and move onto other things.

    What Anonymous demands of the OG is that they recommend targets for them. So I will do that. I want to see the pod people closed down in Europe. This evil cult can remain and flourish in the US for all I care. It belongs there. But in Europe I want it expunged and gone forever. So I am setting a target. That is to use European law to close them down. It takes about a year for an official translation of a court ruling to reach other member states. We have just had an important Court of Appeal ruling in France http://www.ingo-heinemann.de/Cour-D...510-2fev2012-jugement-Scientology-anonyme.pdf and I have translated the "illegal pharmacy" part. I used to live in France and I am good at translating technical worded French into English. And because English is a derivative of German then the only way to get it into Germany is to go the French -> English -> German route. Both France and Germany are the leading countries in the EU so we have got to get this into Germany as well.

    If European law decisions can be quickly transmitted from one EU member state to another then this will unstitch the cult in Europe. At the moment this is happening too slowly and this gives them the chance to regroup and to think of a way out. So what I am recommending is that Anonymous act as translators of EU rulings and produce professional-quality legal translations in a short time (like 2-3 days) and set up a document base. The translations need to be of such a high quality that courts in Europe use them as a substitute for waiting for the official translations. So they have got to be "excellent" as a bare minimum standard.

    Like that link above - it should be an easily accessed document with the original language on the left side (in this case French) with the translated wording on the right side. We need a French->English version and a French->German version (even if it had to go the French->English->German route). Italian and Spanish as well. So this is what I am recommending as OG. To set up a professional-quality document translation service that is of such a high quality that it gets used as an early substitute for official translations of legal rulings. And let's face it, if you have done this then it could be very profitable in the future. So have your laughs now and count the moolah in the future. And if you make your millions then invest in a property on the Weymouth quayside and pay an old fart to look after the place.
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  28. Aurora Member

    Oh noes!! The bestest troll!! (and super anon!) You'll be missed.
    Remember, vengeance is sweet and come back to get some more. Soon as you get well!
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  29. RolandRB Member

    I am using the contact page at http://www.scientology.org/contact.html to submit this message, just in case the good Church was not aware of the illegality of the vitamin doses on the Purification Rundown. It is now 11:53 Central European time on 30 April 2012
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    Since your Church was convicted for organised fraud and illegal pharmacy in France and with the conviction upheld then I trust that you have stopped delivering the Purification Rundown vitamin doses as it should be obvious that this is a matter of EU law and that it is illegal to give vitamins at these doses in any EU member state. If the French court decided it was illegal in France then it is illegal in all EU member states.
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  30. anon walker Moderator

    I wish you a speedy recovery, Roland! That's an order, actually, not a postulate.
    DO EET!
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  31. RolandRB Member

    Dere OSA,

    the next three months in the UK are going to be a living hell for your stupid, criminal cult.
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  32. RolandRB Member

    Thanks - there was one more tiny little thing I needed to do here and I have done it now so that is the WWP business all complete. Now I can concentrate on my op and getting well after it.

    "Light the blue touchpaper and retire to a safe distance."

    "Zünden Sie den blauen Touchpaper und sich in sicherer Entfernung."
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  33. RolandRB Member

    I posted this to the Health and Safety of a local authority. I would keep quiet about this but what concerns me is that local authorities are failing to do their duty with regards the Scientology cult through fear of litigation. So if somebody dies or has their health damaged due to this programme in the UK from this date on (02 May 2012) then since I have informed the Health and Safety groups in these local authorities and clearly warned of the dangers then they will now be partly liable for any deaths or damage to health. I sent this one to Westminster.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Hi,

    like I wrote before, they do not regard themselves as doctors or dieticians or having any medical role so I can not report them to any medical body like the NHS or the GMC. I have reported the regimen of vitamins they use to the MHRA and suggested it be registered as a "borderline product" but there is nobody I can report this dangerous and illegal practice except to the Health and Safety department in the local authority which is your office. I have also reported this to the City of London Corporation, Camden and mid-Sussex if you wish to pool resources and share costs.

    You may not know it but the Church of Scientology was fined in France over this. Members were fined and jailed and got criminal convictions and so did two branches of the Scientology organisation. This went up to the Appeal Court and that court upheld the convictions. This was published on 2 February 2012. I have links to it below plus a translation of the "illegal pharmacy" part into English (the translation has been checked by native French speakers and they agree it is correct).

    http://www.ingo-heinemann.de/Cour-D...510-2fev2012-jugement-Scientology-anonyme.pdf

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/translation-of-french-appeal-court-case-needed.102089/

    The French courts have applied EU law (that also covers every other EU member state, including the UK) and they have decided it is illegal and this conviction held up at appeal now sets a legal precedent that can also be used to guide other member states.

    These cult members so not know that what they are doing is illegal. They do not know they are acting as doctors and illegal pharmacies. They just do what L. Ron Hubbard tells them in hos thousands of teachings commited to paper that they must all follow. Laws were not clarified at the time Hubbard wrote these things but since that time laws have been clarified and changed. Laws in the EU covering health and foodstuffs are now extensive and draconian.

    I think I originally sent you 11 points where what they are doing is illegal. I'd like to add one more regarding their treatment of "illness". I would like you to look at the following link.

    http://www.suppressiveperson.org/sp/archives/475

    "1. That all illness in greater or lesser degree and all foul-ups stem directly and only from a PTS condition.
    "2. That getting rid of the condition requires three basic actions: (A) Discover; (B) Handle or disconnect."

    What you have above shows that they are diagnosing illnesses and treating them. This became illegal many years back but nobody told them and they are carrying on just the same. You also have a situation where they are discouraged and even prevented from visiting a real doctor should symptoms present themselves. That makes Scientology a health hazard to the public and strictly speaking your office should act to close it down.

    They have a Policy Letter of 26 July 1965 that they still follow entitled "Release Declaration Restrictions; Healing Amendments". You can obtain this from the Scientology Church. It is not a secret document. They will send you a scanned copy if you ask them. In it it says the following:

    "All students of any course are debarred from visiting any medical or healing practitioner unless they are given an Ethics clearance first...."

    So again you can see that sick members are beig prevented fro visiting their doctor. This, to me, makes the Church and its activities a health hazard to add to "practicing medicine without a licence".

    Please feel free to share this information with Camden, the CoLCorp and Mid-Sussex as at least it will allow you to share costs.

    I have repeated my original 11 point below. I might have updated it since I last sent it to you. "HCOPL" is short for "Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter". The Church wil send you scans of specific issues if you ask them:

    1) They are aiming to "cure" the body and improve the functioning of the mind with vitamins, rather than just encourage their members to eat a healthy diet, and therefore this constitutes "practising medicine without a licence" (see book "Clear Body; Clear Mind" for what they are aiming to achieve with the programme and follow link http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Howweregulat...ductneedalicence/Borderlineproducts/index.htm for a legal definition of "medicine" according to EU law).
    2) The doses of vitamins are above the dietary maximum many fold and at a level that can cause physiological changes so again they are practising medicine without a licence (the following "drug bomb" is administered 4x daily - http://www.narconon-europa.net/drugbomb.htm - e.g. the niacin maximum dose of 4g daily exceeds the typical maximum prescribed dose for the lowering of cholesterol )
    3) The dose levels rise to toxic levels which is a danger to health and might cause damage to the liver (see previous point 2).
    4) Ingested substances that are aimed at causing physiological changes and that possibly cause adverse events have to be of prescription quality with their manufacture controlled and approved by the relevent drug authority and in this case it is not.
    5) They are advising on the beneficial effects of vitamins whereas under European law no such thing is allowed unless it is a registered "claim" for the vitamin and has been so approved by the EU( http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/pdfs/listofukhealthclaims03.pdf ).
    6) By recommending the positive benefits of the vitamins and reselling them to its members then they are acting as an "illegal pharmacy" (they were recently prosecuted in France concerning this matter and this was upheld at the Court of Appeal 02 Feb 2012 http://www.ingo-heinemann.de/Cour-D...510-2fev2012-jugement-Scientology-anonyme.pdf ).
    7) They are endangering the health of their members using this programme and not medically supervising them whilst on this programme using qualified medical staff.
    8) They are failing to monitor pulse rate, blood pressure and liver enzyme levels which should be a minimum for such a programme which includes vigorous physical exercise plus long total daily periods in a sauna (pulse rate and blood pressure once a day - liver enzyme levels once every few days and before programme start).
    9) They are preventing or discouraging members on such a programme from consulting with their house doctor (GP) should they feel a need, due to internal Scientology policies, therefore they are preventing or discouraging access to qualified medical personnel whilst on this potentially harmful programme (HCOPL 26 July 1965 "Release Declaration Restrictions Healing Amendments").
    10) Their response to adverse events occuring on the programme is medically inappropriate in that instead of stopping the program or reducing dosage they apply their internal policies to continue the programme using their reasoning of "what turns it on will turn it off" and "the way out is the way through" (HCOPL 27 May 1965, "Processing").
    11) Should a member become so ill on the programme that they have to discontinue it, they are prevented or discouraged from consulting with their house doctor (GP) and instead are expected to use Scientology processes to resolve the problem (which processes they will have to pay for) rather than blame the programme itself. The Scientology processes to resolve the problem go the route: Green Form (HCOPL 7 April 1970RB); C/S Series 53 RL SF; PTS/SP course; PTS Rundown. This will cost them a lot of money and take up a lot of time and so prevent them from seeking medical help that may be urgently required as a result of damage done to their health whilst on the original programme.


    Roland Rashleigh-Berry
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    As I thought, Westminster Health and Safety simply washed their hands of the matter.
    I contacted the Westminster police but I think you can assume that they will class this
    as a Health and Safety matter. I got a second one I added below.
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    Dear Mr Rashleigh-Berry

    Thank you for your recent enquiry regarding Church of Scientology Celebrity Centre. Please find our response as follows.


    The only other option I can think of is to speak with the police as this can be classed as a criminal matter.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Dear Mr Rashleigh-Berry

    Thank you for your recent enquiry regarding Church of Scientology Celebrity Centre. Please find our response as follows.


    I have sent your email to the back office senior officrs to have a look at. If anyone can deal with your enquiery they will be able to.

    This Health and Safety department deal with health and safety in the workplace i.e. trip hazards, no heating etc so I can not say for sure that they will be able to help.
  35. RolandRB Member

    I emailed the GMC as well. No doubt they will tell me that they can not do anything
    as the Church of Scientology people running the Purification Rundown are not
    doctors.
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    Dear Sirs,

    the Church of Scientology's "Purification Rundown" involves a vitamin regimen that I believe is now illegal under EU rules. In fact, they were sentenced in France over this in 2009 and the Court of Appeal upheld this decision in 02 Feb 2012. They were declared uilty of "illegal pharmacy".

    The vitamin regimen is at high doses and the people doing it are not medically supervised. Although the GMC deals with complaints about doczors, the Church of Scientology are acting as doctors in diagnosing and treating disease. The information below will confirm this.

    The following is an email I sent to Westminster Health and Safety. It is maybe appropriate for your organisation.

    ----------------------------------------------------------
    Hi,

    like I wrote before, they do not regard themselves as doctors or dieticians or having any medical role so I can not report them to any medical body like the NHS or the GMC. I have reported the regimen of vitamins they use to the MHRA and suggested it be registered as a "borderline product" but there is nobody I can report this dangerous and illegal practice except to the Health and Safety department in the local authority which is your office. I have also reported this to the City of London Corporation, Camden and mid-Sussex if you wish to pool resources and share costs.

    You may not know it but the Church of Scientology was fined in France over this. Members were fined and jailed and got criminal convictions and so did two branches of the Scientology organisation. This went up to the Appeal Court and that court upheld the convictions. This was published on 2 February 2012. I have links to it below plus a translation of the "illegal pharmacy" part into English (the translation has been checked by native French speakers and they agree it is correct).

    http://www.ingo-heinemann.de/Cour-D...510-2fev2012-jugement-Scientology-anonyme.pdf

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/translation-of-french-appeal-court-case-needed.102089/

    The French courts have applied EU law (that also covers every other EU member state, including the UK) and they have decided it is illegal and this conviction held up at appeal now sets a legal precedent that can also be used to guide other member states.

    These cult members so not know that what they are doing is illegal. They do not know they are acting as doctors and illegal pharmacies. They just do what L. Ron Hubbard tells them in hos thousands of teachings commited to paper that they must all follow. Laws were not clarified at the time Hubbard wrote these things but since that time laws have been clarified and changed. Laws in the EU covering health and foodstuffs are now extensive and draconian.

    I think I originally sent you 11 points where what they are doing is illegal. I'd like to add one more regarding their treatment of "illness". I would like you to look at the following link.

    http://www.suppressiveperson.org/sp/archives/475

    "1. That all illness in greater or lesser degree and all foul-ups stem directly and only from a PTS condition.
    "2. That getting rid of the condition requires three basic actions: (A) Discover; (B) Handle or disconnect."

    What you have above shows that they are diagnosing illnesses and treating them. This became illegal many years back but nobody told them and they are carrying on just the same. You also have a situation where they are discouraged and even prevented from visiting a real doctor should symptoms present themselves. That makes Scientology a health hazard to the public and strictly speaking your office should act to close it down.

    They have a Policy Letter of 26 July 1965 that they still follow entitled "Release Declaration Restrictions; Healing Amendments". You can obtain this from the Scientology Church. It is not a secret document. They will send you a scanned copy if you ask them. In it it says the following:

    "All students of any course are debarred from visiting any medical or healing practitioner unless they are given an Ethics clearance first...."

    So again you can see that sick members are beig prevented fro visiting their doctor. This, to me, makes the Church and its activities a health hazard to add to "practicing medicine without a licence".

    Please feel free to share this information with Camden, the CoLCorp and Mid-Sussex as at least it will allow you to share costs.

    I have repeated my original 11 point below. I might have updated it since I last sent it to you. "HCOPL" is short for "Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter". The Church wil send you scans of specific issues if you ask them:

    1) They are aiming to "cure" the body and improve the functioning of the mind with vitamins, rather than just encourage their members to eat a healthy diet, and therefore this constitutes "practising medicine without a licence" (see book "Clear Body; Clear Mind" for what they are aiming to achieve with the programme and follow link http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Howweregulat...ductneedalicence/Borderlineproducts/index.htm for a legal definition of "medicine" according to EU law).
    2) The doses of vitamins are above the dietary maximum many fold and at a level that can cause physiological changes so again they are practising medicine without a licence (the following "drug bomb" is administered 4x daily - http://www.narconon-europa.net/drugbomb.htm - e.g. the niacin maximum dose of 4g daily exceeds the typical maximum prescribed dose for the lowering of cholesterol )
    3) The dose levels rise to toxic levels which is a danger to health and might cause damage to the liver (see previous point 2).
    4) Ingested substances that are aimed at causing physiological changes and that possibly cause adverse events have to be of prescription quality with their manufacture controlled and approved by the relevent drug authority and in this case it is not.
    5) They are advising on the beneficial effects of vitamins whereas under European law no such thing is allowed unless it is a registered "claim" for the vitamin and has been so approved by the EU( http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/pdfs/listofukhealthclaims03.pdf ).
    6) By recommending the positive benefits of the vitamins and reselling them to its members then they are acting as an "illegal pharmacy" (they were recently prosecuted in France concerning this matter and this was upheld at the Court of Appeal 02 Feb 2012 http://www.ingo-heinemann.de/Cour-D...510-2fev2012-jugement-Scientology-anonyme.pdf ).
    7) They are endangering the health of their members using this programme and not medically supervising them whilst on this programme using qualified medical staff.
    8) They are failing to monitor pulse rate, blood pressure and liver enzyme levels which should be a minimum for such a programme which includes vigorous physical exercise plus long total daily periods in a sauna (pulse rate and blood pressure once a day - liver enzyme levels once every few days and before programme start).
    9) They are preventing or discouraging members on such a programme from consulting with their house doctor (GP) should they feel a need, due to internal Scientology policies, therefore they are preventing or discouraging access to qualified medical personnel whilst on this potentially harmful programme (HCOPL 26 July 1965 "Release Declaration Restrictions Healing Amendments").
    10) Their response to adverse events occuring on the programme is medically inappropriate in that instead of stopping the program or reducing dosage they apply their internal policies to continue the programme using their reasoning of "what turns it on will turn it off" and "the way out is the way through" (HCOPL 27 May 1965, "Processing").
    11) Should a member become so ill on the programme that they have to discontinue it, they are prevented or discouraged from consulting with their house doctor (GP) and instead are expected to use Scientology processes to resolve the problem (which processes they will have to pay for) rather than blame the programme itself. The Scientology processes to resolve the problem go the route: Green Form (HCOPL 7 April 1970RB); C/S Series 53 RL SF; PTS/SP course; PTS Rundown. This will cost them a lot of money and take up a lot of time and so prevent them from seeking medical help that may be urgently required as a result of damage done to their health whilst on the original programme.


    Roland Rashleigh-Berry
  36. RolandRB Member

    "Illegal Pharmacy" practised by the Church of Scientology

    To alison.hopkins@pharmacyregulation.org, sharon.monks@pharmacyregulation.org, andrew.smith@pharmacyregulation.org, timothy.snewin@pharmacyregulation.org, akhtar.malik@pharmacyregulation.org, annie.garton@pharmacyregulation.org, barry.cohen@pharmacyregulation.org

    Dear Sirs, Madams,

    You may not be aware that the Church of Scientology in France was convicted of fraud and "illegal pharmacy" in 2009 and that ths conviction was upheld by the Court of Appeal on 2 February 2012. You can link to the judgement below. Naturally, it is in French.

    http://www.ingo-heinemann.de/Cour-D...510-2fev2012-jugement-Scientology-anonyme.pdf

    I went to the trouble of translating the part of this document into English that deals with "illegal pharmacy". I have had the translation checked by native French speakers and they agree that the translation is good and you will see some updates done by French people where the translation is lacking.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/...appeal-court-case-needed.102089/#post-2106622

    The reason the French courts decided on illegal pharmacy was for a number of reasons that you will need to consider carefully so I will not list them here. These reasons can be read in the translation.

    There are a number of Churches of Scientology in the UK selling and administering the same regimen of vitamins that they were convicted of in France. Since the laws in France as well as the UK are governed by EU laws then if it is illegal in France then it is also illegal in the UK.

    Churches of Scientology sell high doses of vitamins for their "Purification Rundown" and also sell high dosage vitamin E tablets for what they call "auditing". The following is the dosage they titrate up to on the "Purification Rundown" (and also on their Narconon detoxification programme). These programmes are not medically supervised. Note that this dosage is taken four times a day.

    http://www.narconon-europa.net/drugbomb.htm

    I have emailed you as pharmacy regulation inspectors because you have a Church of Scientology that sells and administers this vitamin programme in your catchment area so that you can investigate this matter and to have it stopped if it is illegal.

    nicola.carlisle@pharmacyregulation.org
    Church of Scientology
    68 Tottenham Court Road
    W1T 2EZ

    alison.hopkins@pharmacyregulation.org
    Church of Scientology of Sunderland
    51 Fawcett Street
    Sunderland SR1 1RS

    sharon.monks@pharmacyregulation.org
    Church of Scientology of Celebrity Centre London
    79 New Cavendish Street
    London W1W 6XB

    andrew.smith@pharmacyregulation.org
    Church of Scientology of London
    146 Queen Victoria Street
    London EC4V 4BY

    timothy.snewin@pharmacyregulation.org
    Church of Scientology
    St. Hill Manor
    East Grinstead
    RH19 4JY

    akhtar.malik@pharmacyregulation.org
    Church of Scientology of Manchester
    258 Deansgate
    Manchester M3 4BG

    annie.garton@pharmacyregulation.org
    Church of Scientology of Birmingham
    8 Ethel Street
    Birmingham B2 4BG

    barry.cohen@pharmacyregulation.org
    Church of Scientology of Plymouth
    41 Ebrington Street
    Devon
    Plymouth PL4 9AA


    Yours faithfully,
    Roland Rashleigh-Berry
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  37. RolandRB Member

    ^^ The Scientologists are being sneaky and dishonest over this "illegal pharmacy" thing. They know that it applies in the rest of Europe and so they should have stopped their "illegal pharmacy" in all the other EU member states. But they have stated that "France is a special case" and have carried on doing illegal pharmacy in the rest of Europe. What they should have done, if they were honest, is to cease this activity until they could get the ruling overturned in the European Court of Human Rights and then restart again if they won. They know it is illegal and they are still doing it. At the very least, knowing of their criminal conviction over this, they should have informed every member state and asked for clarification on the matter.

    Now I have done a rough German translation of the court case outcome then somebody in Germany needs to do the equivalent of what I have done above.

    Further translations willl be needed into other languages and the same thing done.

    The above action won't be enough to close them down in a country but will damage them severely. And the above is easy for the authorities to act on.
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  38. RolandRB Member

    People need to realise to what extent EU rules are against vitamin supplements. They intended to wipe it out of Europe. They could not directly ban it so they have worded the laws in such a way as to ban them anyway. They have stated somewhere that food supplements are to be regarded as a drug if they are presented as a drug. That was sneaky. People reading this don't realise what powers that gives them. That means if somebody effectively prescribes vitamins to you, even low dose ones, and you get one of these vitamins and see it is a pill or a capsule then by EU rules it is presented as a drug so it is a drug. So the person doing it is guilty of illegal pharmacy.

    That vitamins exist as pills (for the time being) allows you to self-medicate but nobody is allowed to sell you a regimen that involves taking them.
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  39. Roland, thank you for doing all of this. Rock on with your bad self.
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  40. RolandRB Member

    I seem to remember a court case about tax relief on charitable donations and that the court was wanting an official translation of another court case in Germany about a charitable donation to act as precedent (Persche v Finanzamt Lüdenscheid). Therefore it would seem that this French court case set a precedent for the rest of Europe and if other member states refuse to enforce EU law as exemplified by this court case then they are themselves breaking the law. So now, the UK is obliged to close down this illegal pharmacy. Also, the scientologists should have contacted the relevent government department and told them that they were illegal pharmacists with a conviction for the same. Same goes for Germany and now they have got a good enough translation, then there is no excuse not to close down their illegal pharmacy operations.
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