Ideal Org London Business Rates OK, I have checked the "similar threads" and I don't see anything like what I am going to suggest. This is about something I tried more than ten years ago that failed but I think it is worth trying again with the 2006 changes to charity law in the UK. I am British citizen who now lives in Germany. I am OG. I haven't lived in the UK for many years so I feel someone else will have to do this and preferably living in the City of London catchment area. To summarize, it is simply to contact the City of London council to challenge the business rates reduction on the London Ideal Org which is situated there. The challenge being that it is not acting in a charitable fashion and is in fact trading. What you will need to prove they are trading - and this is the MINIMUM - is their published prices for TRAINING and AUDITING. I mean like the prices for buying auditing "intensives" that they are aiming to deliver at this Ideal Org (they are probably doing it already). I see the 2010 price list for books and tapes and some courses has been leaked. This will be needed as well but on its own it is not enough. It is the prices for the "auditing" especially that is needed. I do not see that this has been leaked but somebody will have it or be able to get hold of it. The meaning of a "charity" has been clarified under English law in 2006. Here is an important link. Charities Act 2006 Charities Act 2006 (c. 50) In this act the break between "advancement of religion" and charitable purpose was made. 25. Section 3 deals with public benefit. Under the existing law there is a presumption that purposes for the relief of poverty, the advancement of education, or the advancement of religion - in other words the purposes that would fall under paragraphs (a) to (c) of section 2(2) - are for the public benefit. No other purposes benefit from that presumption. The effect of the presumption at present is that, when the status (charitable or non-charitable) of an organisation established for the relief of poverty, the advancement of education, or the advancement of religion is being considered, the organisation's purpose is presumed to be for the public benefit unless there is evidence that it is not for the public benefit. By contrast, organisations established for all other purposes, which do not benefit from that presumption, have at the time their status is being considered to provide evidence that their purpose is for the public benefit. 26. Subsection (2) of section 3 abolishes the presumption that organisations for the relief of poverty, the advancement of education, or the advancement of religion enjoy, putting all charitable purposes on the same footing. Abolishing the presumption will not by itself have the effect of depriving poverty relief, educational and religious organisations that were registered as charities while the presumption existed of their charitable status. So you see from the above it is not so easy for religious organisations any more. A price list that shows the Ideal Org London charging a large fortune for "auditing" is enough proof that it does not have a charitable purpose. Charities, when they occupy buildings in an area, enjoy a huge "business rates" reduction. Same goes for the City of London. the Ideal Org London must be getting this. they are likely to be getting a 100% reduction in business rates otherwise they would not still exist. Here is the web site about Business Rates for the City of London. Business Rates There is a link below about reductions. Business rates - reductions On the above page there are links to the forms for charities. http://server-uk.imrworldwide.com/c...-34577AEED087/0/MandApplFormwebNewaddress.pdf http://server-uk.imrworldwide.com/c...FFF9AF6C/0/DiscretionaryformwebNewaddress.pdf The idea is that armed with the MINIMUM of their price list for "auditng" intensives and "co-auditing courses" (this auditing will be carried out at the Ideal Org) then you go to the City of London council and challenge their rebate on business rates. If they get full business rates reestablished then they will have to close. Once achieved then this can be used for the other Ideal Orgs dotted around the UK. And when that is achieved then the same can be applied to the old Orgs they will have to shrink back to.