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I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

Discussion in 'Think Tank' started by Ihatehipp13s, Mar 24, 2008.

  1. Ihatehipp13s Member

    I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    I'm not entirely sure if this was brought up before or not, but I have a feeling that they will try ambushing some members of the protest with accusations of Child Porn/Exploitation.
    Not everyone knows how to react to an accusation like that... besides saying "WTF???! Thats a fucking lie!"... which it is... but I think there should be an official explanation and spread the word to everyone...
    Then when they bombard unaware protestors.. they don't look like they have their thumb up their ass and appearing to come up with an excuse.

    What is the official explanation: (Even I have heard several variations of it)

    And how to we share it with everyone before the protest.
    -I would suggest youtube, but there are so many Scientology/Anonymous videos posted everyday, some are bound to miss it.

    Sorry if this is a dumb post, I have been up for several days and my brain has the intention span of Kate Moss's waste-size.
  2. wrytard Member

    Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    http://sexual.taxexemptchildabuse.net/

    I did a quick search on Google and came up with that... might be some worthwhile information?
  3. Legione Member

    Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    I dont think thats what hes talking about. I think hes talking about 1 am on a friday night on /b/

    I doubt theyre going to bullbait you with this tactic, but if they do, just tell them those images are promptly removed and that you dont look at them, its not a major issue.
  4. Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    get some sleep dammit!

    this was speculated for the March events also and did not materialize
    yet
  5. anon5754 Member

    Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    Lollicon is classed as CP in Amerikkka nowadays so any chans with a /cake/ (includes 7chan and 711chan) are technically hosting child porn. The cake meme came about before it was outlawed, and no actual children are harmed in the making of delicious cake.

    As for actual images of children, if asked simply point out that usenet has its fair share of kiddy porn and that many Scientologists post on usenet, does that make them paedophiles?

    A better analogy: anonymous is to imageboards as surfers are to web pages, so does that make everyone who surfs the web a paedophile?
  6. Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    That's a bad analogy.
  7. Ihatehipp13s Member

    Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    Actually... i was under the impression that all Scientologists were.
  8. wrytard Member

    Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    I should've been more clear... it's more along the lines of glass houses/don't throw stones thing... You can defend yourself until the cows come home, but if they start doing the whole "omg pedoz" maybe it would be worth while to bring up the charges of child molestation within their organisation? They might not want to go that route, if they don't want certain information about their organisation public knowledge...

    ... and an actual court conviction, news release, etc about it is more damaging than a "oh yeah well i heard u guyz have anime/CP on ur internetz!!1"...
  9. Anónimo Member

    Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    If used right this could actually be good for us.
    Imagine this:
    Scientologist: You anonymous child pornographers blah blah blah blah
    Anonymous: Here is a list of court cases and testimonies about child abuse in your church.
  10. wrytard Member

    Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    Exactly :)
  11. Whanonstler Member

    Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    Not so. The SCotUS has consistently struck down any legislation that tried to classify drawn images of imaginary characters as CP, as has lower courts, like the 11th CC. Now KKKanada does not like your /cake/. It may be looked at askance in the US and used as leverage to look for real CP, but as of yet, if it is a drawing of a makebelieve C, the P is fine too.

    Nice kneejerk "Amerikkka" though. Credit for that at least! XD
  12. AnonymIceland Member

    Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    I think Anonymous as a "brand is far less vulnerable to accusations of being CP peddlers after they took Chris Forchand down. Seriously, Anonymous should not hesitate to blow their own horn on that one if worst comes to worst.

    How do you spin that? Pedos serve pedo up to the cops on a silver platter?
  13. Laughing Man Member

    Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    Everyone, use this. We need pamphlets for this purpose NOW.

    Remember, these people are convinced that they're right. They don't expect it to blow up in their faces.
  14. wrytard Member

    Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    I'll start working on some materials for this, as well as some basic points/arguements for people to use should anyone bring up the whole "anon = child porn!" that will sound legit, and any anon confident to use it (I hope) :)

    Edit to add:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20060524023009/http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/54587.htm

    Good lord...

    http://www.whyaretheydead.net/childabuse/pedophile/Gabriel_Williams.html

    Edit edit: funny thought, but even using their tactics against them... "WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES?" if they try to bring up the CP thing.. and then detailing these cases ehehehe :p
  15. Laughing Man Member

    Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    That's what I meant.

    That's what I'm trying to tell you my bullbaiting thread is for.

    You can't have pamphlets to counter something if you don't know what that something is. I'm sure they have more in their arsenal than just "what are your crimes".
  16. wrytard Member

    Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    Only you've _still_ missed my point in that it's not about antagonizing -- bullbaiting is something else... they aren't there to engage in discussion, they are there to simply provoke you in a way that will work out for them. If you punch them out.... they can cry a river and cry assault and claim you're deadly/violence/etc... If they get you angry enough, you could slip up and say some stupid shit to make you look like an idiot.

    If Scinos raise a legitimate concern like "Well I heard you guys have CP" or they attack the group as saying "Anon has a lot of CP on their websites!" -- then yeah it's good to have a counter if, say, a press org. interviews an Anon, what should an Anon say? You can't defend or explain something like that to people who _want to know_ what's going on, and are looking for the other side of a story.

    ....but there is a different between that, and someone going up to you and yelling at you and being within 2 inches of your face which is the same as "BRING IT ON OMG BRING IT BITCH PUNCH ME COME ON YEAH OMG PUNCH ME DO IT" you know?
  17. Unaware Member

    Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=xd-VhcHRhP0&feature=related
    "Married Pedo Shits bricks 3/3" uploaded by "anonymous45458". Yea, yea, I know "ZOMG!!!!!!!~1 PAUL FETTTCCHH", but who cares. It's a good counter argument.
  18. WCCube Member

    Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    We need cops to just castrate these cock-bites.
  19. Anonymous132 Member

    Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    Just ask them why, if they have so much proof that Anonymous is after CP, they're going to the media about it instead of the police. That would probably counter their argument in everyone's eyes. (Except theirs)
  20. Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    ORLY? I has no see it, has you?

    U see it I dont maybe U the prevert!

    If you no experience it yourself U not know ! LRH teach you dat!
  21. Anonabliss Member

    Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    April 12 is about reconnection. Dont be mean, just ask them who they are disconnected with and do they miss them. Otherwise, keep walking and don't acknowledge the bulbaiting at all.
  22. Blu Aardvark Member

    Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    I've considered what the best response might be if I were bullbaited by a Scientologist or group of Scientologists, and I think I've settled on something which will be effective in helping me keep my cool while at the same time neutralizing the tactic.

    Quite simply, just start singing Rick Astley's "Never Gonna Give You Up". It's sure to bring warm fuzzy lulz to you, keeping you from getting pissed, and it's sure to throw them off guard. It'll be even more effective if you have the means to record them while doing it.
  23. A_nonchalant Member

    Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    We had a Scientologist walk by our protest on 3/15 and yell something to the effect of "child molesters!" and "rapists!" The appropriate response, which we used, was just to go "Bwa?"
    Keep in mind how this looks to bystanders. Here's a group of peaceful (albeit eccentric) protesters, waving signs about broken families, and here goes a random man accusing them of being rapists. It's not just nonsensical, but it looks just like what it is - bullying.

    If someone comes up to you and goes, "Hey, I've seen CP on <insert site>" the best defense is to just shrug and say, "I hope it got taken down. Since anyone can post, sometimes they post nasty stuff." You can also add that Anonymous primarily operates out of enturbulation.org, so that's the site you read, and hand them a handout with the website URL on it.

    Also, do not forget to mention that Anonymous' first taste of social justice was getting Toronto pedophile Chris Forcand (hope I spelled that right) arrested. "We get pedophiles arrested" is a great tagline.
  24. awesomizer Member

    Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    I made a nice PDF flyer. it's
    http://filebin.ca/qrnzc/child-abuse.pdf
    because enturb thinks its too big.
    Filebin is much nicer than rapidshits, but the file will probably get taken down in time.

    Hint: increase the PDF size limit to 50KB (I'm 40.5 i think)
  25. xenubarb Member

    Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    It's a standard accusation, along with "drug dealer, alcoholic, drug addict and terrorist."

    If one were to put up a website with critics and the accusations against them, it would have a dreary sameness.

    Amusingly enough, there's a long list of Scientologists who have been busted for being what they accuse others of.

    These dumbasses have even accused ME of being a pedophile! It's just what they do. They lack imagination to come up with any really interesting crimes.

    They've never found the pod of killer whales I keep in my basement, for example.
  26. Laughing Man Member

    Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    About the busting, it's what I've said it is before - projecting their issues on you.

    We need to keep in mind that the Scion doctrine dictates that since we are SPs (and also not Scions ourselves), we're obviously guilty of one/more of these things just by the cause and effect of our wog/unclear nature. I think it helps to show them that these things aren't the case, thus bringing into question what management has been feeding them...
  27. Re: I have a feeling they will try pulling this during the protests in April.

    Counter with: "Posting it is bannable and not permitted."--- Although we have had a recent problem with posting of it which has been backtraced to IP blocks owned by the Church of Scientology and its affiliates.

    Counter with the pedos that Anonymous has gotten locked up by trolling.
    (carry a printout)

    Counter with the child abuse/molestation within COS.

    Counter with asking about the viewpoint of children actually being "adult thetans" in a child's body. (Yes, some COS have said that) Ask about the little girls RL Hubbard had running around as messengers on his boat.

    Counter with (someplace??? I know I saw website with it) the stories of people who have left the COS because they were victimized as children, being assaulted.

    Counter with Questions about fairgaming people by trying to set up sexual liasons bettween them and children and filming it for blackmail... who has child porn now?

    (ACTUALLY... their blackmail archives may contain said information..... something for the feds to look into?)

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