How English Heritage snubbed the Scientologist founder L Ron Hubbard

Belladonna · Nov 29, 2009

How English Heritage snubbed the Scientologist founder L Ron Hubbard

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How English Heritage snubbed the Scientologist founder L Ron Hubbard

How English Heritage snubbed the Scientologist founder L Ron Hubbard - Telegraph

The government agency, which runs the scheme, rejected the application by supporters of the founder of Scientology after its blue plaques panel decided that it was unconvinced about Mr Hubbard's "reputation."

The decision has frustrated the Hubbard Foundation, which had nominated him. In an unusual move, a foundation representative went to visit English Heritage officials, following the verdict, to find out more about why he had been rejected and how his case could be helped.

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_You_ · Nov 29, 2009

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Win

e mailing info and thanks to English Heritage

_You_ · Nov 29, 2009

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"The decision was on the grounds that he wasn't well known or well respected enough. Controversies surrounding him come into the well-respected bit. The committee was not divided on this, I think."

Classic British pseudo-subtlety - LOL.

timthephoto · Nov 29, 2009

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it's actually amazing how a panel of stuck up, establishment committe pro's can somehow get to the most obviously right decision.. and then stick to it

DeathHamster · Nov 29, 2009

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She said some of the controversies surrounding the movement "might have" played a part in the decision. "I would hope not," she added. "I would have hoped their decision was made objectively."

Unlike Scientology, objectively doesn't mean putting blinders on and ignoring controversies.

She said some of Scientology's well-known followers had visited the London property, but declined to reveal which ones.

And some of Anonymous' well-known supporters protested outside, but I decline to reveal which ones. Heh, it's really sad when they want to play the celebrity card, can't, and then try to bluff with an empty hand.

Sarah Eicker, director of Fitzroy House, who nominated Mr Hubbard, said: "I met with the administrator of the panel to get more data and clarify why the decision had been made.

"I am planning to set up another meeting. I am aware of the 10-year rule. I don't think the initial proposal is a closed thing.

She can plan to set up meetings with spirits from the vasty deep too.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein

_You_ · Nov 29, 2009

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"If a proposal is not successful, it can be put forward again 10 years from the date of rejection, and English Heritage encourages proposers of plaques to [STRIKE]take advantage of this[/STRIKE] STFU and GTFO."

fify, English Heritage.

FUCK · Nov 29, 2009

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hehe

_You_ · Nov 29, 2009

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Here is the FB page of the girl who put in the application. She used to be Sarah Borburg after she got married, but it looks like her name has reverted back to her maiden name. She was recruited into the SO by Bob Keenan and placed in his office about 5 or 6 years ago. Getting a "Hubbard Crest" approved was always a pet project of BK.

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AnonymousVanAllen · Nov 29, 2009

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Sarah Mac Mackenzie;1084240 said:

fify, English Heritage.

"If a proposal is not successful, it can be put forward again 10 years from the date of rejection, and English Heritage encourages proposers of plaques to [STRIKE]take advantage of this[/STRIKE] STFU and GTFO."

Yes indeed. Would have been incongruous to have put up a plaque to someone the Govt. told to GTFO 40-odd years before.

These Heritage chappies would be inclined to look at things like that.

_You_ · Nov 29, 2009

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"The panel also noted that Mr Hubbard had no address in London which could be considered as comparatively settled, and moved around a great deal.

Ah, yeah, moved around a great deal..because he was on the run from the law...any need to 'poon the committee with the correct information on LCON? Doubtless the bio the clams submitted on him was 100 percent false.

Ann O'Nymous · Nov 29, 2009

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Nice,

JohnnyRUClear · Nov 29, 2009

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Sarah Mac Mackenzie;1084276 said:

She was recruited into the SO by Bob Keenan and placed in his office about 5 or 6 years ago.

Let me guess: they put her between the bookcase and the window and they dust and polish her every Monday morning.

Ann O'Nymous;1084289 said:

Nice,

Ann, you know better than to hang [strike]your unmentionables[/strike] a comma on the back porch like that for everyone to see.

eleven · Nov 29, 2009

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"I definitely think Mr Hubbard warrants a plaque. Maybe the information we provided wasn't sufficient."

iaxiloll · Nov 29, 2009

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I approve.

DeathHamster · Nov 29, 2009

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Laughable Fitzroy House CoS site:
L. Ron Hubbard's Fitzroy House :: Home

"The've done it up nicely into part of the alternate universe of Scientology where Hubbard really was a philosopher, humanitarian and war hero." - Hartley Patterson.

xenubarb · Nov 29, 2009

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"I definitely think Mr Hubbard warrants a plaque. Maybe the information we provided wasn't sufficient."

I absolutely agree. This information might <snicker> change their minds!

RON THE "WAR HERO"

_You_ · Nov 29, 2009

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THE MAN WAS A BLOODY WAR HERO, PEOPLE!

DeathHamster · Nov 29, 2009

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Sarah Mac Mackenzie;1084440 said:

THE MAN WAS A BLOODY WAR HERO, PEOPLE!

Yar, he had medals that no one else received in the whole war. (Medals that the issuing countries had never heard of--because his work was so secret, don't ya know.)

Fitzroy House basically claims that he invented LORAN, LOL!

XenuPhobic · Nov 29, 2009

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Ms Eicker insisted that Mr Hubbard was "well respected" enough to warrant a plaque, and said she would be asking English Heritage whether they had "discriminated" against Mr Hubbard.

LOL Discrimination.

JohnnyRUClear · Nov 29, 2009

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XenuPhobic;1084453 said:

LOL Discrimination.

Never defend; always attack.

WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES, ENGLAND???

Sponge · Nov 29, 2009

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If the late and great Eric Morecambe can't even get a blue plaque then hell will freeze over before Hubbard gets one.

_You_ · Nov 29, 2009

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Maybe they don't want a blue plaque, but a blue plague instead?

amaX · Nov 29, 2009

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How lovely. Hubbard continues to be a failure even in death.

Relyt · Nov 29, 2009

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The number of Scientologists has been put as high as 12 million

Really, now?

whoever · Nov 29, 2009

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The number of Scientologists has been put as high as 12 million

Relyt;1084655 said:

Really, now?

More sloppiness! They ought to say who has put the figure at 12 million.

DeathHamster · Nov 29, 2009

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Relyt;1084655 said:

Really, now?

15 million claim from a 1970 printing of Final Blackout. (If Hubbard didn't write this himself, he certainly had final approval.)

_You_ · Nov 29, 2009

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[Scientology] is based on the premise that the human race is descended from Thetans, an exiled race from another planet.

Such bullshit.

Everyone knows the human race evolved at the behest of (and are controlled by) spiritual energy beings called Thetans. Thetans (or "Theta") in their natural state have the capabilities of a god, and are able to create, sustain and destroy Matter, Energy, Space and Time ("MEST") at will with just a thought. You are a Thetan, not a human body, and you have these natural godlike abilities.

However bad Theta has been consistently trapping good Theta since the creation of the universe, and it has accumulated over trillions(!) of years. Over time, the bad Theta ("Entheta") trapped good Theta into believing entheta-created delusions, such as the physical universe (called the MEST Universe) and everything within it. For trillions of years, civilizations have had their rises and falls on different planets, all of them beings of trapped Theta believing what was going on was real and not just an Entheta-controlled trick.

Theta on Earth have been exiled here from other planets and have been brainwashed by Entheta. Their brainwashing includes acting out as scripted what has become the whole of human history -- everything that has happened on Earth has been planned out by a cruel Entheta leader who imprisoned the Thetans on Earth.

This brainwashing occurred 75 million years ago when the Galactic Confederacy's Supreme Ruler (NOT "Galactic Overlord" or "Lord") Xenu called the citizens of the Confederacy in for a tax audit. This was a cover for another plan -- there were too many MEST bodies in the Confederacy causing an overpopulation crisis, and the Entheta Xenu wanted to simply remove them. When the Theta beings in their MEST bodies arrived, Xenu had an operation set up that froze them, boxed them up, loaded them onto "space planes" that looked like yesteryear's DC-8s, and sent them to the backwater planet Earth (then called Teegeeack). There, he placed the boxed beings around the bases of volcanoes and then detonated the volcanoes with power hydrogen bombs, annihilating the prisoners and others who happened to be on the planet at time time.

However, once the MEST bodies are dead, the Thetan regains his ability to move around the universe free of a body. This allows them to go to another place and pick up a new body to live another life anew. Xenu knew about this -- you see, even though he's evil, he like all educated beings knows the inherent truth of Scientology and Dianetics. He knew the Thetans would be free without their bodies, so as the bombs exploded and Thetans shot skywards, a large electronic energy ribbon was unfurled in the sky to trap Theta. The trapped Thetans were then exposed to "Black Dianetics", or Dianetics for an evil purpose, to implant ideas into them on how to behave: like degraded individuals, forever hypnotized into living a life of MEST as scripted by the Entheta Xenu. The Theta were then deposited on Earth where they lived for centuries confused and floating around Earth, occassionally finding another Theta and clinging to them into clusters.

Over time, beings living in the MEST universe forgot about this. 75 million years is a long time, and the planet picked up a reputation in the interceding years. It became a hangout for outlaws and a front in a neverending battle between various MEST invader forces. Some beings had the idea to start a "meat body" genetic line on Earth -- MEST creatures that would evolve into homo sapiens. These bodies were taken over and are controlled by Thetans to this very day: you are a Thetan controlling a meat body. However, those confused, floating, hypnotized, clustered Theta beings are likely just as attracted to you as they are to each other. This makes them cluster onto you as well, sharing with you their thoughts and emotions, which further traps you with emotional and mental burden.

Trust the hacks at The Guardian to get something wrong!

Pantagruanon · Nov 29, 2009

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"L Ron Hubbard has joined the likes of Wallis Simpson, Eric Morecambe, Marc Bolan and Keith Moon after an application for a coveted blue plaque was rejected by English Heritage."

_You_ · Nov 29, 2009

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DeathHamster;1084697 said:

15 million claim from a 1970 printing of Final Blackout. (If Hubbard didn't write this himself, he certainly had final approval.)

Yes his books are still in print by the company he funded, and his "adherents" are closer in number to 15 than 15 million.

Anonymous · Nov 30, 2009

English Heritage say no Blue Plaque for Hubbard!

How English Heritage snubbed the Scientologist founder L Ron Hubbard - Telegraph

It's company policy to give you the plague....

_You_ · Nov 30, 2009

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http://forums.whyweprotest.net/15-m...ed-scientologist-founder-l-ron-hubbard-57498/

_You_ · Nov 30, 2009

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Message from Xenu;1085837 said:

How English Heritage snubbed the Scientologist founder L Ron Hubbard - Telegraph

It's company policy to give you the plague....

A source who was involved in the deliberations said: "The decision was on the grounds that he wasn't well known or well respected enough. Controversies surrounding him come into the well-respected bit. The committee was not divided on this, I think."

Seems pretty straightforward to me.

A little quality dissemination, and everyone in Loldon would know who LRH is.
David Gaiman: your 18 years' leave is CANCELLED. Get back on lines, or gtfo teh Bridge! Nao!!!

Anonymous · Nov 30, 2009

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Huzzah! Let his name be scrubbed from the book of life!

_You_ · Nov 30, 2009

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Anyone think Scientology might just forge a blue plaque or something? Or just say he's on it here in America and other countries outside the UK?

DeathHamster · Nov 30, 2009

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"The decision was on the grounds that he wasn't well known or well respected enough. Controversies surrounding him come into the well-respected bit. The committee was not divided on this, I think."

That's polite-speak for "OMFG! Every last one of us think that he was a completely evil fucking loony who was kicked out of the UK and never allowed to return, good goddamn riddance! Get out of here, you stupid brainwashed zombie git!"

Top tips from top advocates

Picking his best advocate, David Pannick nominated Michael Beloff - for the time when Beloff was acting for the founder of the Church of Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard (and Pannick was his junior). It was in 1982 and Hubbard was appealing to come to Britain as a visitor; but had not been seen for several years and there were suspicions that he was dead. "Michael Beloff ALMOST persuaded Mr Justice Woolf that the decision (to refuse him entry) was unfair because if he was dead, there were no reasonable grounds for refusing him an entry visa," Pannick recalled.

Cool story bro! Except that they don't issue visas to dead people, d'oh!

Sponge · Nov 30, 2009

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The Daily Mail picks up the story...

LRH = Reject

What an insult! L Ron Hubbard joins the Blue Plaque rejects | Mail Online

_You_ · Dec 1, 2009

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New Humanist said:

It's nice to see the Brits sticking it to the Scientologists - first I read how English Heritage have turned down an application from the cult's supporters to place a blue plaque on a building once occupied by founder L Ron Hubbard in London's Fitzroy Street, and then I read this story on how Winston Churchill's descendants are threatening legal action over a Scientology poster (pictured) which uses the wartime PM's image. The poster was aimed at recruiting new Scientologists to work, funnily enough, at the same Fitzroy Street building for which English Heritage denied the blue plaque.

Churchill's grandson, the former Tory MP also named Winston Churchill, explained how he had asked lawyers to write to the Church on his behalf:

"Gordon Wise at [law firm] Curtis Brown has written the Scientologists a letter protesting, on my instructions. Predictably, nothing has been received in return. The family finds it very offensive that an organisation not only as controversial, but some might say as disreputable, as the Church of Scientology should be trying to use my grandfather's likeness and quotes in furtherance of their recruiting.

"We have strong objections to the implication that our grandfather, if he were alive, would have something to do with Scientology. In fact, he wouldn't have touched an outfit like that with a bargepole. I can't represent too strongly how much we resent the suggestion that he would. They have no right, or permission, to use his name or likeness, and I hope they now respect my grandfather and his family's wishes."

There a couple of choice quotes there that I'm sure we'll be reusing in the future. And as for the blue plaque, the Telegraph report that prospective plaque suspects must have been dead for at least 20 years, and have made an "important positive contribution to human welfare or happiness". A source involved in the decision to deny Hubbard a plaque said:

"The decision was on the grounds that he wasn't well known or well respected enough. Controversies surrounding him come into the well-respected bit. The committee was not divided on this, I think."

The Scientolgists, of course, dispute the decision but, sadly for them, an English Heritage rule states that no application can be reconsidered until ten years after rejection. In the meantime, perhaps Hubbard's followers can console themselves with our representation of how his blue plaque might have looked.

YetAnotherAnonymous · Dec 1, 2009

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Interesting line that caught my eye in the Telegraph article:

The organisation has been described in Parliament by Michael Gove, the Tory MP, as "an evil cult founded by an individual purely in the interests of enriching himself and sustained by those who are either wicked or wayward".

Could this be the UK's Xenophon that we've been waiting for? A 'poon or fifty wouldn't hurt.

A-non-non-anon · Dec 1, 2009

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Willie Rushton gets a blue plaque at Mornington Crescent tube.

Flubtard gets nothing.

The universe unfolds like it should.

The only former resident of Fitzroy House who deserves that recognition is George Bernard Shaw

TehHerro · Dec 1, 2009

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the best part? They seem to think the 10 year rule doesn't apply to them. Odds are, in 10 years, they will either be crippled or dead in terms of power

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