Fixing non-responsive British child protection

Discussion in 'News and Current Events' started by meep meep, Aug 2, 2015.

  1. meep meep Member

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  2. Hissing Sid Member

    You have highlighted the Rotherham cases here and one reason it's endemic in that specific area of the UK is social services and other agencies expressed concerns of appearances of racism due to the high number of pedophiles/ child traffickers being of Pakistani origin who were and are responsible for the abuse taking place as a reason for not investigating.

    Sadly it does not explain why they chose to ignore it, nor why if they were in any way concerned about appearances of racism didn't they ask for an independent investigation by another agency outwith the Rotherham area and Yorkshire in general.

    In regard to the government that's a big can of worms they, the government, most likely doesn't want examined too closely.

    The why is too complicated to answer, but after watching the many Panorama documentaries and reading the enormous amount of articles published by the press I'm inclined to throw in words like inertia and complicity in some cases in an attempt to explain.

    Unfortunately Rotherham is a teaspoonful of water in a vast ocean of child abuse in the UK and the £3.1 milion they are throwing at it won't help much if at all.
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  3. Hissing Sid Member

    Sorry for the long post and oh so jaded rant but I'm not under any illusions about this being fixed anytime soon.
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  4. RightOn Member

    Couldn't the royal family put pressure on Parliament to make a change?
    I have no idea what I am talking about really. I do not understand how UK law works.
    (or the US for that matter) :p
  5. Hissing Sid Member

    That's an interesting point you raised about the royal family applying pressure to parliament and after checking it appears she (the Queen) can't. Her role and that of the rest of the royal family is largely ceremonial with no power.
    I had a brief read through and will stand corrected if I'm wrong in this, the royals hold little if any interest for me.

    Even if the royals did have powers it would not be in their interests to interfere at this point anyway due to fingers being pointed in the direction of two family members being involved with child abuse.
    There could be more of them involved and I'm uncertain of their guilt or indeed innocence so won't be naming them here in public. The msm has already named them if you care to do your research.

    More and more public figures in the UK are being exposed on a daily basis and as a result in one particular case someone has been shipped in from New Zealand to preside over the enquiry.

    Social services are a bug bear for me because I begged them to intervene in something many years ago and by the time they did it was too late for one child of a nearby family and it haunts me to this day.

    So as you'll have gathered I'm not their greatest fan.
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  6. Hissing Sid Member

    To answer Meep's question about agencies being hard wired to ignore it, here's one example of how bad it actually is.
    One underage girl in Rotherham was described by police as a known prostitute ( this is documented).

    What hope is there if children being trafficked and used for sex are described in this way?

    An underage child being used for sex is being abused, it's rape plain and simple.
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  7. Anonymous Member

    On the subject of non government intervention. As an establishment they are terrified of the finger being yet again pointed in their direction! Oops Ted Heath!
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  8. Hissing Sid Member

    Heath has an OBE, maybe a posthumous removal in the offing?
  9. Hissing Sid Member

    £3.1 million isn't anywhere near enough bearing in mind the number of children who have been abused in the Rotherham area alone. If the figures are accurate it's over three hundred at the last count, and that's the ones they know of.
    How many have still to come forward?
  10. RightOn Member

    I have never been a fan of the Royals they repulse me.
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    People say ah they're great for tourism and blah, but they forget how much money is required for their upkeep, they repulse me too then again most parasites do.
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    Ted Heath: inquiry into alleged witness tampering to stop child abuse claims | The Guardian

    Information handed to Wiltshire police and being investigated by IPCC centres on alleged persuasion of witnesses in Myra Forde brothel case

    A police corruption inquiry is examining claims that witnesses to a court case were persuaded to withdraw their planned testimony against a brothel keeper in order to stop the exposure of Sir Edward Heath as an alleged child abuser.

    The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) disclosed on Monday that it was investigating claims by a retired senior officer that Wiltshire police dropped a 1990s prosecution against a suspect because threats were made to expose the former prime minister as a paedophile.

    It was announced on Thursday that at least six police forces nationwide are now carrying out investigations linked to child sex claims against Heath.

    Also on Thursday the National Crime Agency (NCA), the law enforcement agency responsible for tackling serious and organised crime, confirmed that one person had contacted them with an allegation against Heath in July 2014, which was then passed on to the relevant authority, in this case Jersey police.

    The Guardian understands that the information handed to the Wiltshire police force centres on the allegedly corrupt persuasion of prosecution witnesses in a case against former brothel keeper Myra Forde.

    The disclosure follows the publication of a letter from Nigel Seed QC, who was the barrister in the 1992 case, in which he claimed he had been told that Forde intended to accuse Heath of using male sex workers in her trial, but that the case was dropped because three witnesses in the case refused to give evidence.

    Forde, 67, who was ultimately convicted twice for running brothels, denied making any such threat, in a statement released by her solicitor.

    A police source confirmed the IPCC inquiry would centre on evidence that witnesses were tampered with to stop abuse claims against Heath from coming into the public domain.

    “Inquiries will look at whether witnesses in the court case were interfered with in some way. This follows information from the retired officer that are at the heart of the inquiry,” the source said.

    The intervention goes some way to explain why the case was passed on by Wiltshire police to the IPCC in April this year without approaching Forde.

    Because the allegations centred on police corruption, it would have been improper for the force to have contacted Forde or her solicitor before handing them over to the watchdog.

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    Group of women who say they were abused by Sir Edward Heath also claim their parents ran a satanic sex cult that was involved in 16 murders
    • They say that the cult regularly slaughtered children as ritual sacrifices in church
    • The woman claim that the former prime minister was part of a paedophile ring
    • If the allegations are true it would make the cult the worst child murderers in British history

    A group of women who say Sir Edward Heath abused them as children have also accused their parents of being involved in up to 16 murders.

    The farce came as police probe incredible claims that the former prime minister was linked to a paedophile ring that killed as many as 16 children – which would make them the worst child murderers in British history.

    The seemingly far-fetched allegations have been made by a family who allege that the politician was part of a satanic sex cult run by their own parents.

    They say that the cult regularly slaughtered children as ritual sacrifices in churches and forests around southern England and also participated in similar ceremonies in Africa.

    They claim their mother and father – who is said to have known the former Conservative leader – were responsible for slaughtering children ranging from babies to teenagers – yet they evaded justice.

    The paedophile ring – which they say Sir Edward was part of – stabbed, tortured and maimed youngsters in churches and burnt babies in satanic orgies before men, women and children gorged themselves on blood and body parts, police have been told.

    If the bizarre allegations were to be proved, the parents who allegedly led the killings would be responsible for murdering more children than Fred and Rose West.

    They would also be on a par with Thomas Hamilton, who shot dead 16 children in the 1996 Dunblane school massacre.

    The women’s lurid claims were dismissed by police in 1989 when they came forward. Sir Edward’s name was never mentioned to police at the time. It was only last year that he was named for the first time after one of the claimants said she had ‘remembered’ a man called ‘Ed’ was a prime mover in a network of paedophile abusers.

    But there is no suggestion that Sir Edward killed any children himself in the women’s accounts.

    Wiltshire Police have spent more than a year investigating the allegations as part of an inquiry that has cost taxpayers over £883,431 and irretrievably tarnished the reputation of the unmarried politician, who died in 2005, aged 89.

    Last night Sir Edward’s godson, Lincoln Seligman, said: ‘I understand that these claims from the 1980s were at the time dismissed as complete fantasy by police. It is disappointing that these wild allegations have been reheated and randomly attached to Edward Heath’s name.’

    A Wiltshire Police spokesman said: ‘We are not prepared to discuss this as this is an on-going investigation.’

    The godson of Sir Edward Heath reacted angrily yesterday after it was claimed that a police chief is ‘120 per cent’ sure that sex abuse allegations against the former prime minister are genuine.

    Wiltshire Chief Constable Mike Veale was reported to believe child abuse allegations against the late politician – which include lurid tales of satanic child slaughter – are ‘totally convincing’.

    Mr Veale, whose force has been investigating the claims for 18 months, is also said to believe that Sir Edward was a paedophile whose crimes were covered up.

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