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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by The Internet, Sep 2, 2016.

  1. The Internet Member



    Pushing through the market square
    So many mothers sighing
    News had just come over
    We had five years left to cry in
    News guy wept when he told us
    Earth was really dying
    Cried so much his face was wet
    Then I knew he was not lying

    I heard telephones, opera house, favourite melodies
    I saw boys, toys, electric irons, and TVs
    My brain hurt like a warehouse
    It had no room to spare
    I had to cram so many things
    To store everything in there

    And all the fat-skinny people
    And all the tall-short people
    All the nobody people and all the somebody people
    I never thought I'd need so many people
    A girl my age went off her head
    Hit some tiny children
    If the black hadn't pulled her off
    I think she would have killed them
    A soldier with a broken arm
    Fixed his stare to the wheels of a Cadillac
    A cop knelt and kissed the feet of a priest
    And a queer threw up at the sight of that

    I think I saw you in an ice-cream parlor
    Drinking milkshakes, cold and long
    Smiling and waving and looking so fine
    Don't think you knew you were in this song

    And it was cold and it rained so I felt like an actor
    And I thought of Ma and I wanted to get back there
    Your face, your race, the way that you talk
    I kiss you, you're beautiful, I want you to walk

    We got five years, stuck on my eyes
    We got five years, what a surprise
    We got five years, my brain hurts a lot
    We got five years, that's all we've got
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  2. The Internet Member

    I read this today.
    Seems legit because other scientists have said the same thing.

    "Runaway climate change" means the permafrost will melt sending massive amounts of greenhouse gas into the atmosphere. The oceans will acidify. Entire food chains will collapse.

    Human beings could stop this crazy train by figuring out how to radically reduce the burning of carbon fuels now. We could do it but we have precious little time for the effort.

    This is not like other scares we have seen, like the peak oil thing. This scare is based upon mountains of evidence, enough to convince all the major scientific organizations around the globe.
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  3. Mann Ace Member

    Bullshit
  4. Mann Ace Member

    It's exactly like peak oil. Nonsense dreamed up to scare the children.
  5. The Internet Member

    Sadly AGW is not a dream. As the climate models have improved over the past few years the projected outcomes for various rates of CO2 production are looking worse than previously thought.

    But electric cars are getting better. They are too expensive in the US but we can make them more cheaply with mass production. China is cranking them out. I could buy an electric bus on Ali-Baba for about 20-40 thousand dollars. But I do not think I could put it on the road here without all the safety testing.

    More telecommuting and less driving or flying would help. There are lots of things we could do to save this world before Greenland starts farting out methane.
  6. The Internet Member


    This:
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    plus this:
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    equals this:
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  7. The Internet Member

    You think the world's leading scientists are fucking with us?
  8. Global warming is totally natural and has occurred in the past so no worries other that the melting of the polar ice and resultant rise in ocean level leading to catastrophic changes in shoreline and extinctions. This too is natural so we shouldn't worry about it.
    So if we can change this even a little by changing energy use should we try? Or should we just accept it as the current catastrophe gets worse?
  9. Srs at this point it's clear there IS global warming so arguments about why are kinda pointless unless it leads to changes in how we do things.
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  11. The Internet Member

    You got it, babe. But the melting ice caps and loss of all our cities along the coastline are no big deal compared to the melting permafrost full of ancient rotting organic matter ready to fart out methane and CO2.
  12. The Internet Member

    Public education is key. People have to understand that melting the permafrost will lead to runaway warming, which happened on Venus.

    I was thinking we would have a couple of decades to fart around and procrastinate doing our homework. But the exam already started. We were supposed to limit further temp increase to no more than 1.5C degrees but we are going to blow past that.

    It is good that the US and China have agreed to limit the temp increase to 2C degrees. But that is not as good as 1.5 degrees. The scientists picked 1.5 degrees back when their models were a little more optimistic.

    I have ideas of things our congress critters could do to speed up our trip to a low carbon economy. But I am obviously a retard and would want a body of scientists to say yes or no to any idea first. For example China is going gangbusters for electric cars. Let's get those cheap cars over here ASAP.
  13. The Internet Member

    One idea, but it seems extreme, would be to put aerosols into the atmosphere to block sunlight hitting the planet. As a bonus, all the people who believe in chemtrails would feel validated.
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  15. The Internet Member

    Another idea: let's stop shitting on real scientists. Let's stop wasting their time on nonsense so they can focus on solutions to the problems we face.

    Presently there are well funded groups stalking scientists just like OSA. That has to stop because being under surveillance is a fucking assault. It messes with your head and makes it hard to get work done.

    Anonymous has a history of effectively fighting OSA type shenanigans so maybe Anonymous would be interested in helping out the scientists. It is a not a great justice type thing so much as a, "we must science the shit out of this problem" thing.
  16. The Internet Member

    Trump wants to pull out of the Paris agreement. He wants to roll back regulations limiting auto emissions. But maybe if the public were to get good info about the science we could stop him before it is too late.

    Just to recap one summary:
    Got that? Out of ten years of science papers containing the phrase "global climate change" the number that say human-caused warming is wrong = 0.
  17. The Internet Member

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  18. The Internet Member

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  19. DeathHamster Member

    A message to Breitbart:

    She is Kait Parker.
    She is Factual.
    She does not forgive.
    She does not forget.
    Expect her.

  20. Mann Ace Member

    Well this ought to get some knickers in a twist
    http://manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2016/12/13/some-predictions-for-the-future-in-the-climate-game
    You might want to read the whole thing. Provocative title.
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  22. DeathHamster Member

    One of the comments pointed out what I suspected about the article.
    A comment on that kind of cherry-picking:

    It's hard have a real debate when facing a wall of bullshit that's been debunked over and over again.
  23. Mann Ace Member

    My sentiments exactly. When people tell me that 97% of scientists agree, so I should to, I know that I am talking to people who have no understanding of science. They think of science as a series of dogmas, rather than as applied skepticism.

    When people tell me the science is settled, I understand that I've just been handed a blivet.

    And the point of my last post here was to point out that Reid getting rid of the filibuster is now going to come back to haunt the Left. Lack of foresight is going to bite the Left in the ass, hard.
  24. The Internet Member

    You have been misinformed.

    The scientists actively working in some field can and do form a consensus when the evidence strongly supports one theory. That consensus is the best trier of fact humans are ever going to get.
  25. Mann Ace Member

    If you think consensus plays a role in science, you've been lied to. If it was one of your teachers, you might ask for your money back.
    The scientific method is the best 'trier of facts' developed. Consensus plays no part. None. To think so is to deny the scientific method, and to deny science itself.

    Why you want to deny science? I thought you liked science, but now, you are trashing it. WTF?
  26. The Internet Member

    Non-experts do not do science. They ask for scientists to summarize the consensus within their field pertaining to some question.
  27. Mann Ace Member

    So what? All the consensus in the world ain't able to hold up to one contrary fact.
  28. Mann Ace Member

    Actually, that's not even true.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Rosa

    People do science. It just helps to have a good education now days to get into the lab, Not necessary, just useful.
  29. The Internet Member

    That is incorrect. The "one contrary fact" has to be weighed against all the existing evidence. If that evidence is overwhelming, the contrary fact is most likely a spurious observation.
  30. The Internet Member

    Emily Rosa published in the peer reviewed literature. So she has expertise with respect to her own research project.

    Non-experts are those who do not publish within the peer reviewed literature within a given field.
  31. The Internet Member

    Excerpts from an article about ExxonMobil's climate research in service to arctic oil and gas development, in contrast to its public statements that climate research is not reliable. This is a terrible crime against humanity and I hope one day there will be justice for all involved.

    http://graphics.latimes.com/exxon-arctic/
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  33. The Internet Member

    Koalas are thirsty.
  34. The Internet Member

    Earth’s mass extinctions:

    1. End-Ordovician, 443 million years ago
    A severe ice age led to sea level falling by 100m, wiping out 60-70% of all species which were prominently ocean dwellers at the time. Then soon after the ice melted leaving the oceans starved of oxygen.

    2. Late Devonian, c 360 million years ago
    A messy prolonged climate change event, again hitting life in shallow seas very hard, killing 70% of species including almost all corals.

    3. Permian-Triassic, c 250 million years ago
    The big one – more than 95% of species perished, including trilobites and giant insects – strongly linked to massive volcanic eruptions in Siberia that caused a savage episode of global warming.

    4. Triassic-Jurassic, c 200 million years ago
    Three-quarters of species were lost, again most likely due to another huge outburst of volcanism causing global warming. It left the Earth clear for dinosaurs to flourish.

    5. Cretaceous-Tertiary, 65 million years ago
    An giant asteroid impact on Mexico, just after large volcanic eruptions in what is now India, saw the end of the dinosaurs and ammonites. Mammals, and eventually humans, took advantage.

    6. Anthropocene, 1950 to the present (provisional)
    Dramatic declines in the populations of many species around the globe and accelerating rates of species extinctions suggest that a 6th era of catastrophic loss of life has begun.
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