ESMB: Every addict who enters Narconon’s doors is being denied legitimate treatment

Anonymous · Jul 11, 2012

I'll just put this here. [If you have a response for narcoNOT personally, you may want to post it on the ESMB thread.]

ESMB: Every addict who enters Narconon’s doors is being denied legitimate treatment
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...’s-doors-is-being-denied-legitimate-treatment.

narcoNOT;703532 said:

The decision to write this post took a long time. It’s a long post too.

First off, I am not a scientologist or ex-scientologist. I understand a lot about the Co$ as I have been following news about it for several years now. After you read this, you'll see why.

Unfortunately, I have to keep the names of the people involved in this confidential. Not because they were involved in Co$, but because of the stigma of addiction. Some of my family members would be appalled if they saw this and they’ve been through enough. Even as I am hitting Submit - I feel really weird about making this public - even in an anonymous way.

Narconon has contributed to the deaths of more people that the poor folks who died while in care at their facilities. Let me explain why.

THE DRUG ADDICTION
My younger brother struggled with drug addiction for many years. He had been to a couple of detox programs and rehab programs, but subsequently relapsed after each one.

It's hard to put across the toll it takes on family members to watch an addict destroy their own and their children's lives. To see them enter treatment programs then quit for a while, get a feeling of elation that this time, finally, they would be freed, only to have one's hopes dashed again at the next relapse. Years and years of this really wear a family down. It also wears the addict down. AA's philosophy is to stop helping, let the addict hit bottom and they will make their own decision to stop. But - there are bottoms - losing jobs/divorce/etc - and deeper bottoms - prison/homelessness/etc - and the deepest bottom of all - death. My brother had hit so many bottoms that we all knew in our guts, the next one was the deepest. It turned out we were right.

So that's how it was when my family encountered Narconon. Knowing that my brother was on the precipice, that death was just around the next corner. Burnt out on the getting clean / relapse cycle.

LOOKING FOR A NON-12 STEP PROGRAM
My brother hated AA. This was partly because my late father had been in recovery and got involved in AA in a "culty" kind of way. I don't believe AA is a cult, but it has some cultish qualities and certain members treat it like one. He attended 1-2 meetings per day, every day, for 15 years. He only associated with other people in AA, believed the people outside "the program" "didn't get it,”, the writings of Bill W were infallible, and that leaving AA meant insanity or death. When confronted with complex questions, many times my father tossed an AA slogan at you in response, instead of actually listening and thinking of more nuanced, less pat answers. It was a cop-out and my sibling hated that, and he extrapolated that hatred, rightly or wrongly, to AA. This is one of the reasons that my brother did not want to attend one of the more established treatment programs like Hazelden.

NARCONON RECRUITMENT
Isn’t the name itself deceptive?. Narconon. Many people would confuse it with Narcotics Anonymous – the spin-off of Alcoholics Anonymous is known as “Nar-Anon”. The association with AA/NA lends Narconon an air of legitimacy it does not deserve.

I'm not sure whether my brother stumbled on Narconon first, or another family member. At any rate, the intake people at Narconon ended up speaking on the phone to another family member, and told them everything they wanted to hear. Narconon said that while other treatment centers had low recovery rates, they had a whopping 70% success rate! The other treatment centers cost (at that time) $25k, but Narconon cost less. I believe it cost as much as $5k to $10k less. That’s a pretty significant amount of money. (And don’t underestimate how drained of funds families of addicts are…)

Most people have little training in or understanding of the scientific method, and Narconon exploits that. They sent my family member articles of “studies” done on their dubiously high success rate. By then, I was starting to research this treatment center and I was highly disturbed by the things I was discovering. I brought up that the success rate was BS and why the studies were not valid. But they just would not listen to me.

My family member also really bought into the idea of the Purification Rundown. On the surface, in a simplistic way, it makes sense. Drugs are toxic. Sweat eliminates toxins. Saunas make you sweat so saunas detox you. Vitamins are good. More vitamins are better. Massive vitamins cure things. But the science behind it is junk science. The studies are flawed and were not subject to peer review.

However, the thing that the staff at Narconon knows is that by the time someone calls them for help, that person is exhausted. They don’t want the daily struggle that 12 step programs promise. They want the magic pill. They want a cure.

My sibling wanted that. He wanted to be cured, once and for all.

No one wants to hear that realistic success rates are more like 17%. Most addicts attend rehab multiple times before finally getting sober. And there’s no cure! No guarantee that the addict won’t relapse again. Who wants to hear that?

So everyone, except me, was gung-ho about my brother attending Narconon Arrowhead. I finally stopped protesting, especially since I wasn’t footing the bill.

(Looking back on it all, I believe I failed to appreciate how skilled the Co$ members who man the Narconon facilities are at manipulation of facts and of people. The more I learned of the Co$, the less anger I felt towards my family members.)

NARCONON's "TREATMENT"
I spoke to my brother once or twice while he was at Narconon Arrowhead. He seemed to be in good spirits. I do not really remember much about the conversations, except this:
He said that he was taking a lot of vitamin B and his skin had turned red or purple or something. He also talked about saunas and going for a run after a sauna.

He told me that he was doing these exercises with a partner where they would stare in each other’s eyes or at the wall or something. I thought it sounded really dumb, but he said he enjoyed it. I failed to see what it had to do with recovery though.

RELAPSE
My brother relapsed within a month of leaving Narconon Arrowhead. He actually could have saved my family the money since he was capable of staying clean that long with no treatment at all.

Narconon conducted no follow-up care that I know of. I don’t know how they get their success rate stats, since they have zero interest in their actual outcomes.

DEATH
Within six months, my brother was dead. He basically died of a sort of congestive heart failure. It was most certainly brought about by his drug use.

However – I also believe that the Purification Rundown contributed to the poor condition of his heart. Why in hell would anyone give toxic doses of Niacin to someone with an already compromised liver and cardiovascular system? While Niacin’s liver toxicity is well-documented, it is also known to affect the heart.

EVEN IF NARCONON’S TREATMENTS ARE NOT SCIENTIFICALLY VALID, WHAT’S THE HARM?
This is an argument I heard a lot before my brother entered Narconon and afterwards. Dear reader, I hope you have made it this far because this is the main point I’m trying to make.

Every addict who enters Narconon’s doors is being denied legitimate, even life-saving treatment.

My brother could have gone to the Betty Ford center, or Hazelden (despite AA), or some other treatment program. Maybe, just maybe, it would have been the rehab attempt that made all the difference.

But he didn’t. He didn’t because Narconon preys on vulnerable, suffering people for their money. Narconon makes promises it knows it cannot deliver and dupes people into trading legitimate treatment for a bogus magic cure-all.

And now he’s dead. He’ll never see his child graduate, or get married. He’ll never know his grandchildren.

Don’t get me wrong, I know it was his addiction and the powerful drug he was into that bears the brunt of the blame. But we only had a handful of chances to help him. And Narconon snatched away the last, most important chance we were given.

(Sorry if I sound like I’m ranting. It’s been several years since his death, but writing this brings it all up)

P.S. Thank you David Edgar Love for getting the Canadian Narconon’s shut down. Please focus on Narconon Arrowhead next!

Anonymous · Jul 12, 2012

Scientology kills people, and all paid for on tax dollars!

JohnnyRUClear · Jul 14, 2012

Well if anything ever is why, this would be it.

Anonymous · Jul 14, 2012

bump

Anonymous · Jul 15, 2012

Bloody hell.

Also:

Isn’t the name itself deceptive?. Narconon. Many people would confuse it with Narcotics Anonymous – the spin-off of Alcoholics Anonymous is known as “Nar-Anon”. The association with AA/NA lends Narconon an air of legitimacy it does not deserve.

I never realised this, though am in no way surprised (Oxford capacity test).

Anonymous · Jul 15, 2012

Anonymous said: ↑

Bloody hell.

Also:

Isn’t the name itself deceptive?. Narconon. Many people would confuse it with Narcotics Anonymous – the spin-off of Alcoholics Anonymous is known as “Nar-Anon”. The association with AA/NA lends Narconon an air of legitimacy it does not deserve.

I never realised this, though am in no way surprised (Oxford capacity test).

It's really funny, I just had this conversation with a friend last night. She had always assumed NarCONon was somehow affiliated w/ AA- and she is otherwise extremely well-informed on cults and escapee/survivor issues (although with different focus). She was blown away by the information I was able to give her about them. That this person had been fooled is a testimonial to the effectiveness of the deceptive name.

Anonymous Bosch · Jul 15, 2012

The name is no accident. Plenty of people fall for Narconon thinking it's a drug equiv of AA. It's deliberately misleading.

I thought the same thing for years. I know of someone who only recently had a horrible experience because her well-meaning mother didn't research first and signed her up assuming it was a legit substance abuse facility. Once locked in there and forced to do TRs etc, she begged to leave for days and finally talked them into letting her go and driving her to the train station. Instead they drove in the opposite direction and ended up dumping her in the country at 1am on the side of the road. The unfortunate thing is the girl wasn't an addict, just used socially, but her mother thought if you take a drug once you're a junkie. She's lucky she got out so easily with only a few grand spent.

Anyway it's the same sort of fuckery as CAN. That's the worst imo. Imagine ringing that number for cult advice to escape Co$ and ending up getting an OSA operative? Or is it no worse than ringing for abortion counselling when you're feeling guilty and vulnerable and getting a fundamentalist christian telling you you're going to hell? Cos we have those too.

Anonymous · Jul 17, 2012

Anonymous Bosch said: ↑

The name is no accident. Plenty of people fall for Narconon thinking it's a drug equiv of AA. It's deliberately misleading.

I thought the same thing for years. I know of someone who only recently had a horrible experience because her well-meaning mother didn't research first and signed her up assuming it was a legit substance abuse facility. Once locked in there and forced to do TRs etc, she begged to leave for days and finally talked them into letting her go and driving her to the train station. Instead they drove in the opposite direction and ended up dumping her in the country at 1am on the side of the road. The unfortunate thing is the girl wasn't an addict, just used socially, but her mother thought if you take a drug once you're a junkie. She's lucky she got out so easily with only a few grand spent.

Anyway it's the same sort of fuckery as CAN. That's the worst imo. Imagine ringing that number for cult advice to escape Co$ and ending up getting an OSA operative? Or is it no worse than ringing for abortion counselling when you're feeling guilty and vulnerable and getting a fundamentalist christian telling you you're going to hell? Cos we have those too.

Anon from above you again.

Funny you should mention CAN. We talked about that too. Once again, she knew the story from another angle- we were pointing at each other and gasping, OMG, you know THAT too! Apparently it really hurt quite a few victims who were trying to escape cult environments when the cults took it over, because it either steered them back to the cults or sidetracked them into ineffective and corrupted therapies and support. They also used CAN to silence critics and survivors who were speaking out.

Intelligence · Jul 17, 2012

I am so very sorry for your loss - - indeed a tragic story, but not uncommon to what I read and hear on a regular basis. I reviewed a Coroner's Report two days ago before I sent it to an Investigative Reporter. Suffice to say TOXIC doses of NIACIN are deadly to unhealthy patients who attend Narconon.

Addiction is a very complex issue and a lot of the posts here are valid comments.

I owned and operated a detox/treatment center (small) on the West Coast of Vancouver Island for two years and have had my own bouts with addiction due to 9 surgeries, including 4 major back operations and 43 days in hospital. Yes, I beat my addiction, but it had NOTHING to do with NarCONon.

Drug use and many other euphoric or stimulating substances or acts, leave "Mental-Markers" that surface when we least expect it. When we're down, stressed, in pain, angry or lonely etc, the silent voice can urge one to take care of it as we have in the past - - an instant cure - - even though in the back of our mind we know it's temporary, the instant cure can be very powerful.

Pete is right about replacing behaviour patterns - - it builds resistance and becomes stronger as time passes. Indeed it helps a lot.

Once again, I'm very sorry for your loss - - ALL people have worth and deserve professional, qualified treatment for their addiction. AND yes, we are working on Narconon Arrowhead and other Narconons.

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Intelligence · Jul 17, 2012

Don’t get me wrong, I know it was his addiction and the powerful drug he was into that bears the brunt of the blame. But we only had a handful of chances to help him. And Narconon snatched away the last, most important chance we were given.

(Sorry if I sound like I’m ranting. It’s been several years since his death, but writing this brings it all up)

P.S. Thank you David Edgar Love for getting the Canadian Narconon’s shut down. Please focus on Narconon Arrowhead next!

Yes, the drug use most probably did contribute to your brother's demise. Blame? I think Narconon must
also be held accountable for their incompetence with treating addicts - - it's QUACKERY and a cash grab
from desperate and vulnerable victims.

PLEASE don't be sorry for what you call "ranting" - you have all the right in the world to say what
you have and it helps many to understand how addiction and the Negligence of Narconon affects
the entire Family - not just the addict.

AND thank YOU for your comments about the "Canadian NarCONon."

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narcoman · Jul 17, 2012

Drugs kill people.

Naconon helps them to get off drugs.

If you have better ways, go for it!

Intelligence · Jul 17, 2012

narcoman said: ↑

Drugs kill people.

Naconon helps them to get off drugs.

If you have better ways, go for it!

I'm not usually this blunt, but as I was told here on WWP when I made my first Post - "DOX or GTFO!

Scientology/Narconon admits that Narconon DOES NOT help with the harmful effects
of drugs.

http://narcononcanada.com/2012/02/01/narconon-aftercare-relapses/

Scientology’s own words about the “NED Drug Rundown” say: “On this rundown, the harmful effects of drugs are erased and a person is freed from the compulsion or need to take drugs. This service handles drugs and the real reason a person started taking them in the first place.”

“Addressing drugs with NED technology removes the barriers that prevent progress up THE BRIDGE levels. It is a vital step on your NED program.”

What these quotations imply is that the Narconon program does NOT erase the harmful effects of drugs, nor does it free a patient from the compulsion or need to take drugs![/QUOTE]

Here is a much better and SAFER alternative to any DEADLY NarCONon:

http://www.canadadrugrehab.ca/index.html

narcoman · Jul 17, 2012

I think you must offer a better way to get off drugs. Do you have one?

TheHumansAreDead · Jul 17, 2012

narcoman said: ↑

I think you must offer a better way to get off drugs. Do you have one?

Statistically, no treatment has a reasonable success rate. I would be surprised if it was worse than Narconon's actual success rate. Plus it doesn't have the other health risks associated with Narconon's program.

Alternatively, any other accredited rehab facility is going to be better.

Intelligence · Jul 17, 2012

NarCONon promises you that if you use the "TOOLS" you learned at NarCONon, you
will NOT relapse?

So let's take a close look at the Tools that NarCONon is talking about.

As a Patient for 5 months, then on staff for 6 months as a Course Room Supervisor, Registrar,
and Graduate Officer, I am well versed in what NarCONon calls "Tools."

- TR's? - "Yup, after leaving NN, one needs to buy large mirror for doing TR's by themselves"

- Touch/Nerve Assist? "No, don't go to see your doctor, go to your closest COS for Assist."

- Overts/Withholds? "Yup, this is the reason you have urges to use, so write-up your O/W's and you'll be fine."

- "PTS Condition? "Yup, this is why you had a bicycle accident and you have the Flu - - so you MUST be connected to a Suppressive Person and you need to disconnect from you mother, father, wife, sister, brother, kids, etc. ALL Illness and ALL Blunders are ONLY caused by being in a PTS Condition."

I could go on and on, but anyone can see the rediculous and absurd of the above.

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Intelligence · Jul 17, 2012

narcoman said: ↑

I think you must offer a better way to get off drugs. Do you have one?

http://www.canadadrugrehab.ca/index.html

This ^^^^^ IS much better because it IS much safer and most have structured Aftercare.

I can name several who have died while in the incompetent care of Narconon - - can YOU name
ANY who have died while in the care of ANY "Competent", Government Certified Rehab?

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die · Jul 17, 2012

You (both above) look like morons in the field of treatment of addicts.

Anonymous · Jul 17, 2012

die said: ↑

You (both above) look like morons in the field of treatment of addicts.

No one here pretends to treat addicts.

That is what narconon does. Narconon is a cult of scientology trojan horse. Narconon is a cult pimp.

It appears that you are a pimp for narconon. Thanks for stopping by. Feel free to enlighten us on the medical treatment of alcoholics and drug addicts.

Anonymous · Jul 17, 2012

die said: ↑

You (both above) look like morons in the field of treatment of addicts.

Are you trying to attain the status of "Next Anonymous Chew Toy"?
You're well on your way, as you appear to be going around fagging up threads left and right.

If I didn't know better, I'd say this is VaD using a new sock.

Anonymous · Jul 17, 2012

narcoman said: ↑

I think you must offer a better way to get off drugs. Do you have one?

oh hai! OSA

Anonymous · Jul 17, 2012

Anonymous said: ↑

Are you trying to attain the status of "Next Anonymous Chew Toy"?
You're well on your way, as you appear to be going around fagging up threads left and right.

If I didn't know better, I'd say this is VaD using a new sock.

Note that these are posts made by "unregistered guests."

Most of the registered OSA sleeper accounts on WWP have been outed so they must now resort to unregistered postings. Sorta like socks, but not quite.

Last time I checked, OSA is really pissed off about Trois Rivieres and Arrowhead, but they blew their socks on WWP the last time they tried to introvert/invalidate David's work. Stay Alert, Anons. This is just the end of the beginning.

just-sayin' · Jul 17, 2012

Anything that produces less than perfect results is viewed as imperfect.

- SOMETHING TO CHEW ON.

Intelligence · Jul 17, 2012

Anonymous said: ↑

Note that these are posts made by "unregistered guests."

Most of the registered OSA sleeper accounts on WWP have been outed so they must now resort to unregistered postings. Sorta like socks, but not quite.

Last time I checked, OSA is really pissed off about Trois Rivieres and Arrowhead, but they blew their socks on WWP the last time they tried to introvert/invalidate David's work. Stay Alert, Anons. This is just the end of the beginning.

Yes, I agree. They are scared shitless about their Flag-Ship NN AH and other Narconons - and
so they should be. Only a matter of time until the Scam is Extinct.

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Tourniquet · Jul 17, 2012

Nothing produces "perfect" results, not even your sad Tech.

just-sayin' · Jul 17, 2012

Is there any better way than Narconon to get people off drugs? - Just asking

JohnnyRUClear · Jul 17, 2012

Anonymous said: ↑

oh hai! OSA

In OSA's dreams they're as smart as this numpty.

Tourniquet · Jul 17, 2012

just-sayin' said: ↑

Is there any better way than Narconon to get people off drugs? - Just asking

Absolutely, and no criminal mind-control scam is involved:
http://www.thamkrabok.net/

just-sayin' · Jul 17, 2012

Tourniquet said: ↑

Nothing produces "perfect" results, not even your sad Tech.

My "sad Tech" is someththing you keep chewing on.

I have given up that "Tech" quite a while ago. - But you go ahead and keep chewing. - You make me smile and even laugh.

Intelligence · Jul 17, 2012

just-sayin' said: ↑

Is there any better way than Narconon to get people off drugs? - Just asking

According to Government Health Officials, NarCOnon is THE worst Rehab and Officials forced
NarCONon to immediately shut down and remove the Patients from the dangerous practices.

https://whyweprotest.net/community/...ivieres-is-closed.101820/page-10#post-2097438

Of the fifty-five criteria required for certification, the Quebec Accreditation Council identified forty-six deficiencies, twenty-six of them considered high-risk. One of the procedures that represents a health risk is the sauna sweating sessions combined with massive doses of vitamins.

Intelligence · Jul 17, 2012

just-sayin' said: ↑

My "sad Tech" is someththing you keep chewing on.

I have given up that "Tech" quite a while ago. - But you go ahead and keep chewing. - You make me smile and even laugh.

LOL - AND you help CRASH the COS Stats on Google

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just-sayin' · Jul 17, 2012

http://www.bradburyac.mistral.co.uk/nlpfax04.htm

If you read above you might understand. Or may be not.

Anonymous · Jul 17, 2012

just-sayin' said: ↑

http://www.bradburyac.mistral.co.uk/nlpfax04.htm

If you read above you might understand. Or may be not.

Take your NLP cult and fuck completely off. Thank you!

Tourniquet · Jul 17, 2012

just-sayin' said: ↑

My "sad Tech" is someththing you keep chewing on.

I have given up that "Tech" quite a while ago. - But you go ahead and keep chewing. - You make me smile and even laugh.

This is VaD, right?
The writing style is very similar.

Anonymous · Jul 17, 2012

just-sayin' said: ↑

http://www.bradburyac.mistral.co.uk/nlpfax04.htm

If you read above you might understand. Or may be not.

just-sayin' · Jul 17, 2012

Intelligence said: ↑

LOL - AND you help CRASH the COS Stats on Google

.

Do you think I care? - I don't.

Moreover, I feel better when they are shrinking,

Tourniquet · Jul 17, 2012

Yeah, this is definitely VaD.
You just can't stop coming here to fag up threads, can you?

Anonymous · Jul 17, 2012

"just-sayin' said: ↑

Do you think I care? - I don't.

Moreover, I feel better when they are shrinking,

You feel?

Anonymous · Jul 17, 2012

Tourniquet said: ↑

Yeah, this is definitely VaD.
You just can't stop coming here to fag up threads, can you?

Let's remember here, ten negative ratings on a post and the post disappears!

Sue calls it Member Moderation!

Intelligence · Jul 17, 2012

Anonymous said: ↑

Let's remember here, ten negative ratings on a post and the post disappears!

Sue calls it Member Moderation!

Is that ten negative on a "Post" or on a "Thread"?

.

Tourniquet · Jul 17, 2012

Anonymous said: ↑

Let's remember here, ten negative ratings on a post and the post disappears!

Sue calls it Member Moderation!

orly?
wasn't aware of that... thx

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