Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer Rubbish. Have you even seen a MENSA test, or an other 21st century IQ test for that matter? Intelligence tests
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer For five points: in what way is the MENSA IQ test the same as the Scientology test?
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer They are using very similar IQ test multiple choice papers, if not the same. They have only two of these that I have come across and they maybe come from the same source. They are of identical format to some of the MENSA papers I have taken. The same sort I had to do for passing my 11 plus, getting on a computer training course at the now non-existent Control Data Corporation and getting a job at British Telecom. The difference is that Scn only use two papers (that I am aware of) but most get to do the same paper repeatedly. Don't get confused with the OCA test.
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer Ahhh . . . I did. Do you have a link to a Scilon IQ test?
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer No, one has never been webbed as far as I know. I think they buy them and we would be infringing copyright if we ever webbed one.
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer Never ceases to amaze me how far Scilons will go to avoid any sort of reliable testing of their claims. Even the FZ/Indie movement is full of claims about how their practises will improve IQ yet none seem willing to submit to an independent verification of the fact. Testing IQ would be easy as.
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer It is not easy to test for an increase in IQ because it gets easier to pass these papers and get more questions right the more you do. So taking a second paper later, even if different, would on average show a higher score. You would have to use a control group who had taken these papers sometime but not done scientology and compare this with some freezoners who had taken these papers before getting involved. And of course there is no way of knowing if the freezoners had been practising to do well and look good in front of their peers because there is this strong element of "if you are ethical then Scientology will work for you" and they want to be seen as ethical. So they might cheat in order to prove they are ethical.
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer All the more reason to put them up online then. Screw their "copyright" claims. The lying evil bastards aren't able to do a thing about it.
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer I am 99.9% sure that nobody in Scientology wrote these IQ tests.
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer Been leaked already http://forums.whyweprotest.net/123-leaks-legal/scientologys-iq-test-oca-test-personality-test-43055/
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer Link above has a lot more information and background, 47 pages total. But for lurkers, here are the low-res, compressed JPGs of just the 5 page IQ test.
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer I see Hubbard's Copyright notice on the IQ test so it is Fair Game. The IQ test looks sound. It reminds me of the 11 plus IQ test(s).
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer Heh. Real psychologists won't administer an IQ test to someone who has taken one within the previous year. Screws up the norms. No wonder 1Qs in the US have gone up 3 points over the past (decade IIRC).
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer I lost count how many times I did this stupid IQ test. There are 2 versions. I had to do both versions repeatedly, usually timed very close together (a couple weeks apart) over and over again. There are a battery of 3 tests, normally taken all at the same time: OCA (personality test) IQ test Aptitude test Excerpt from the Board Policy Letter from the leak posted above
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer OTBT brings home the bacon - again. Thanks for that. I was sure I had seen it somewhere. That's interesting about people getting better at IQ tests the more they do - seems obvious now that its been pointed out to me.
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer Bet you didn't know that the IQ test that scilons claim to use (Otis Quick - Scoring Mental Ability test) is a psych test used on inmates. Google is your friend. The effectiveness of otis quick-scoring mental ability test to differentiate an inmate sample - Christensen - 2006 - Journal of Clinical Psychology - Wiley Online Library
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer Okay, then they are not using a test methodology that conforms to recognized and accepted standards for "IQ Testing", e.g., minimum one year between tests and, at a minimum, the questions in a different order than the first test. Is there any way to use that to shut the "improves IQ" claim down?? BigBeard
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer No. I already tried that approach back in March, and got nowhere. In my view (which of course counts for nothing, since I only own one GF mask), the handout which Bluebell shared with us five days ago is not complainable.
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer I don't think so, because "Dianetics & Scientology Life Improvement Centre" and "Church of Scientology London" appear prominently on the card. If those phrases were missing, there might be scope for an ASA complaint.
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer The only full ASA adjudication on Scientology is ASA - ASA Adjudication on The Way to Happiness Foundation International which <cough> was me. Folks, be certain to force through a full adjudication rather than 'formal resolution' if you can, so all the details of the judgement get recorded for posterity. - WT.
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer Unfortunately folks, you don't get a choice on the matter. (1) If an advert is obviously in breach of the rules, and/or is similar to adverts which have been the subject of past adjudications, the matter will be referred to the ASA's complaints team. No details of the complaint will ever be published. (2) If the advertiser voluntarily offers to withdraw or amend the advert, the complaint is marked as "resolved". Basic details about the complaint (just the advertiser's name, essentially) is published on the ASA website. (3) If the advertisers are stupid enough to defend themselves, eventually the matter goes to an adjudication, which is published in full. In none of these scenarios is the complainant (that's us) asked which of the three scenarios they'd prefer. It's up to the ASA and the advertiser. (I can speak from experience here, having submitted over 250 ASA complaints during the past year. Only 7 or 8 have gone to an adjudication.)
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer Lemme hit you with this wood bat until you realize the answer to question (1) is iron and not wood.
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer What's really going to bake your noodle later on is, is this wood bat made out of Softwood or Hardwood?
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer I thought you kids were stir-frying in garlic butter these days...
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer In question 4 I think they are looking for (a) as the correct answer. What's the right answer for question 3?
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer Actually, the answer should be 1) iron 2) wood (heh, wood) and 3.) math Barbie sez, Math is Hard!
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer Textbooks and a janitor. Somebody's gotta sweep that red sawdust around!
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer The red sawdust from the pencil sharpener? That would imply pencils...I vaguely remember there being pencils around when I was in college. And teachers.
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer Does anyone know why the answer sheet for the NOVIS FAST MARKING TEST (IQ test) has the numbers in bizarre order? That stupid answer sheet messes with my head.
Re: EPIC WIN! COS UK 'instructed' to withdraw flyer You mean the columns read right to left? The Jews did it?
