Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP This probably covers a number of current thread topics re: AO's case, AGP's case, the meeting about the proposed road closure etc.
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP Everything so far sure points at how important it is for them to have that road closed.
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP inb4 "Elliot Abelson took the trouble to drive all the way from LA to deliver a document that claims that the judge said that Anonymous cannot come close or talk to any scientologist. He told Graham that Anonymous was forbidden to go to the San Jacinto city council, a public meeting regarding the possible closure of Hwy, which runs through the cult."
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP Would love to hear GB's take on the conversation now that a little time has passed.
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP Quite apart from the AGP business did you notice how much heavy traffic was going along that road? That is a busy Hwy,...and they want it closed down?? No way.
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP I think his summation at the end of the video is pretty accurate. I look forward to reading whatever GB files. It doesn't really matter what the cult says the judge said, what matters is what the judge actually did say. AGP (through GB) should definitely make the court aware of how the cult is attempting to misuse its order, which as GB points out, is abuse of process, so the court won't be surprised if the cult files some sort of order to show cause, lying that AGP has violated the injunction. That way, the court will be prepared when they do just that, and ready to be suspicious about what the cult files. Part of the reason the cult is doing this is to force GB to waste time doing exactly stuff like this, but since it might not just be sabre-rattling, he has to file something to make sure this nonsense is nipped in the bud.
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP Graham should have said he would need a copy to advise his client of whatever new crap was in that doc. Graham should tell the cult dox or gtfo everytime that try this.
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP Has there ever been any other cases on the law books where someone was asked to stay away from an entire group of people? This sounds SO ridiculous, I think that this is newsworthy for the sheer idiocy of it
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP Keith Henson. 2007. Scientologists. His probation will end sometime next year and he will be free again to "annoy" scientologists. http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/henson1.html
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP IIRC, AGP was forbidden to be in the area of two specific scientologists in the area of their "homes" (large scilon bldgs in LA). What level was the judge that signed the RO? LA, county, state, fed? And how the hell can notso-Abel-son try to stretch that into "AGP can't be around scientologists at all" unless the two specific people are being carted around to every public event that AGP might show up at? Can the RO extend beyond LA boundaries, beyond the boundaries of the scilons "homes"? Can they legally try to interfere with AGP being AGP? I think not. There is a relatively unknown doctrine called "the Public Forum Doctrine". I need to do some research, but I don't believe anyone, including the government, can interfere with a citizen's right to participate in a public forum. (I may be waaay off on this one, grains of salt needed.) This is raising quite a few red flags. Something is quite wrong with this and methinks that AGP really really really needs to watch his back until GB is able to file something with the courts (in San Jac, LA, Rivercide, Hemet?).
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP Wow, I didn't know it was that crazy of a judgment. Amazing
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP One of two things will happen next year when his probation ends. 1. He comes back at $cientology in a big way. or 2. He fades off into the sunset. I'm guessing at #2. As much as we want him to come out guns blazing, to abuse a phrase, I don't think he will. I think he'll just quietly fade into the background like Bob Milton did.
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP Meeting is over right? Cult lost so far, right? Video is good for historical documentation and for AGP case. note: Videographer, clean that lense, pleeezzze.
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP Well he must do what's best for him. Yes it would be great if he came out guns blazing, but people can only go through so much.
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP Isn't Elliot Abelson a complete prick?
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP I do not know what his intentions are in this regard, though I strongly suspect that the lengthy, intense harassment he has gone through has worn on him. The problem is there are a few things which complicate any attempt by him to withdraw quietly, chief among them that they continue to harass him through the court system in his bankruptcy, where they have spent, I believe, something between $1 and $2 million in purported attempts to collect a $75K civil verdict (plus the Dezotell civil verdict). There is a trial date for the main bankruptcy case shortly, but there have been other trial dates in the past that have been put off. In any case, they're going to continue to harass Henson using their purported collection efforts as a pretext to throw lawyers at him until that settles, and if it can't settle, Henson may have to hit back just to defend himself and give them incentive to settle, if settling is even what he wants. Another complicating factor is that his criminal conviction puts him in a tricky situation in future litigation, and his continued appeal of the criminal conviction could complicate his bankruptcy, since some things in the bankruptcy are about the Dezotell civil verdict which was largely based on the criminal conviction, and could conceivably be overturned if Henson wins a long-shot appeal to the California Supreme Court. I'm not offering any opinion on what his plans are, since I don't know them. I'm just commenting on some considerations presented by his strategic situation, which complicate Henson picking option 1 or 2. My guess is somewhere in between those two is most likely.
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP Lol, silly Cult still believes it can defeat Chanology by "destroying the leaders".
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP OK, I was being snarky and possibly a bit off-base, but I seem to remember hearing of some incident in Clearwater, back in the bad-old-days, where the cult: (successfully?) tried, and succeeding in getting a restraining order against individual SPs- contacting individual named scilons then (successfully?) tried, and succeeding in getting a restraining order against individual SPs - banning them from any contact with any scilons in CW then (FAIL) tried, and failed at getting a restraining order applicable to all Critics - banning them from any contact with scilons, under some theory that anyone who was a Critic was somehow associated with the individually named SPs, and therefore covered under the b&. Did anything like that actually happen? Or am I misremembering some/all of the details? If this is way off, sorry for digging up crap. It just seems similar to the tactics they're using today.
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP They have only LRH failtech to go by, so I expect them to keep right on running on that hamster wheel until the bitter end.
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP They pull this shit all the time and it always ends up in the courts for a judicial decision. When AGP was served with a TRO last year banning him from the HGB, Moxon approached him & me who were protesting on LRH Way & advised AGP he was in violation of the TRO even though the judicial order specifically stated he was only banned from the HGB. Moxon said, because the HGB door guard that filed the TRO lived at Big Blue, which is an extension of all the other properties, the TRO applied at the compound as well even if the TRO did not specifically state so. Moxon went on to say the judge made a mistake and "should have" included the compound on the order. ** I actually had video of this conversation but it was in one of the 27 videos Moxon had YouTube yank from my account. If AGP had shown up at the San Jacinto meeting, Abelson would have had him arrested and jailed, and the matter would have had to be decided by the court after the fact. If the judge ruled Abselson was in error, it would not have removed the fact that AGP was harassed with arrest & jailing over the incident. Scientology attorneys & staff have long played these games meant to embarass, harass & humiliate their perceived enemies in the attempt to shut them down.
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP It just seems odd that there are no repercussions or sanctions possible, against this particular sort of shenanigan. Does the state Bar care at all about the ethics of attorneys who regularly behave this way? I can't believe that it's a "legitimate" legal tactic.
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP It's a matter of money. If you had enough money, you could constantly have the CULT sleaze lawyers up before the bar. And sooner or later, something would stick. The CULT has the money so they do the BS shenanigans. The positive is that the CULT is burning cash indulging in it's BS. Money or no money, the CULT is still going down. Karma is involved here.
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP This seems like an impossible order to enforce. It would require all scilons to wear an identifying mark...maybe a scarlet 'S' on the breast & back, in order to tell who is the scilon & who isn't, so AGP can reasonably avoid the company of said scilon. Who knows, it might be a good thing after all....
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP According to the court record of AGP's arraignment on May 6, he is to stay away from the "victim" Catherine Fraser & 50 yards from Golden Era Productions. The order does not say he has to avoid all Scientologists. If AGP had shown up at the meeting of the San Jacinto City Council & Catherine Fraser was not present, the Scilons would have no grounds to have AGP arrested.
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP A kind person might help out Moxon by letting the judge know that Moxon thinks he fucked up and that the order really magically includes language he forgot to put in there. Surely, the judge will be happy to be corrected, since judges love to be told they are too dumb to write an order, and will put that language right in there for him.
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP AFAIK, it went quite far and a judge had to design plans to handle the situation globally. It is well documented on WBM's site. Possibly, something similar might happen at Gold Base, taking into account the specificity of each situation.
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP Talking about money, has anyone ever calculated how much public money is wasted by legal cases raised by Scientology?
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP Since Feb 10, 2008, I've been waiting for that promotion and bonus check from the Leaders Of Anonymous for being so upstat.
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP Don't you remember that one of our leaders, LE, did a runner with all our [STRIKE]server[/STRIKE] bonus money from Pfizer?
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP Aldo Raine had a solution to that problem...
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP how are they going to try to close this road if its so busy??? stupid fuckers
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP Would it be an idea to collect some dox on the cult abusing these TRO’s for Judge consideration on future cases?
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP Elliot Abelson is a former "mob" attorney, who represented the Gambino family's porn interests back in the late 1970's into the early 1980's. His work alone has earned his disfavor. http://www.operatingthetan.com/abelson/abelson-porn.txt
Re: Elliot Abelson turns up at Gold Base to advise Graham Berry on AGP Whatever. Abelson's representation of the Gambino Family capo was very lucrative for him. If Abelson had turned the work down, there would have been thousands of hungry attorneys begging to take his place. Attorneys make a hell of alot of $$$ representing the miscreants of society. Hell, John Gotti's attorney later found work as a TV judge. Bruce Cutler - Biography
