Discussion in 'Freedom of Expression' started by Anonymous, Jan 25, 2011.
Oh you're goooood!
No. You offered thoughts, not even likelihoods. There is no proof either way, which is what you asked for. Ignoring the possibility is just nonsense.
As I said, I'm hoping for the best but this power vacuum is an opportunity better than a crowded market and a custom made vest. Common sense dictates the possibility that radicals will attempt to hijack this momentous event to their favor is high.
I'm all for the Egyptian people on this.
So I just 'thought' the protester interviews or I just wished the support for a secular candidate and imagined it so? Srsly?
I'm not ignoring it, I'm just pointing out to you (and you seem intent on ignoring) that all available evidence points to the contrary. When this was pointed out you resorted to the 'no proof either way' canard to try ignoring that the evidence is only supportive of one side here. Basically, you're full of it.
And after they trhow a plane against the port of el kairo and then the glorius army of eeuu arrives with ships and destroy terrorists...
child thinking again...
Did someone say likelihoods!?!?
Which means you are no better.
There is plenty of evidence that that this could go bad for the people of Egypt. Namely that there is no evidence that this will work out for the betterment of the people of Egypt.
Don't get me wrong. I hope that people of Egypt can find their way to a free secular society the like of which is not known in that that part of the world.
Ahh, such delightful ignorance.
I know huh. The cards are stacked against it.
I was referring more to the ignorance of thinking that North Africa and the Middle East are one homogeneous region filled with nothing but repressive theocratic regimes.
Can I take the absence of any comment relating to the MB in this post as a long-overdue concession on this point?
Anonymous never concedes a point. The best you can hope for is that Anonymous gets bored and trolls a different thread.
I think your adding qualifiers to my statement from your own ignorance of what I stated.
No you can't but I'm sure it wont' stop you from doing so.
idk if any of you heard yet, but I just heard that protesters are trying to rally together a million people in Egypt a la the Million Man March like we had on DC back in the day.
from here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12330169
so I could assume it's a good thing...as the Egyptian Army is siding with protestors
Google & Twitter Launch Voice-to-Twitter Service To Help Protesters in Egypt.
I've been reading some discussion about this. The English translation of the statement was something like 'The Army recognizes the legitimacy of the the protesters concerns' - which sounds like an endorsement of the protester's platform. That translation would be justification for incredible optimism, but the original language isn't quite that strong.
The message, as I've been able to glean it (and I have only English sources on this, I can't read anything else) say that the Army recognizes the legal right of citizens to non-violent protest, and pledges not to harm those exercising those rights. They still would crack down on violent protests, looters, and so on. This position is not dramatically different from before, but a solid statement (rather than de facto actions) is an encouraging step forward - albeit a small one. Meanwhile, the White House has been fairly consistent in supporting (vague) 'Reforms' and a 'peaceful transition', but their wording is indicating less and less of a role for the current regime in that transition.
It sounds like most of the parties that have any power (the people, the army, and the international community) are all pushing for a peaceful transition to a brand new, democratic government with a stronger emphasis on citizen's rights (with specific acknowledgment of the right to internet access). This is a good thing, even if the current situation is a standstill.
I have noticed the news coming out of Egypt seems 'noisier.' Which is to say, it's a lot more unsubstantiated rumor (usually tagged with the word 'CONFIRMED:') and a lot less on-the-ground reporting. There's still a narrative being pitched, but it feels less factual and more constructed. This is, in my mind, very significant -
remember playing 'telephone' as a kid? The message would get more and more garbled the more people it passes through (via word of mouth). One of the most revolutionary things about the internet is that it allows signal to reach far more people, must faster, without degrading. When Mubarak took away the internet, his aim (I assume) was to force the people to communicate in a way that more closely resembles a game of telephone. This reduces the ability of individuals to verify truth (and recognize lies), it allows the signal to degrade, and creates an environment much more likely to devolve into chaos.
And when the situation devolves into chaos, the Army may once more support him - if nothing else, they'll crack down on the protesters, creating dissension within the populace.
In this way, I believe both the Army and the International Community's efforts are working directly against the aims of Mubarak. The US (and related international diplomats) are likely working behind the scenes to get Mubarak out with a clear plan to move forward. Nobody wants a power vacuum, nobody wants the revolution to turn violent, and nobody wants infrastructure & capital needlessly destroy.
Just my thoughts, criticisms welcome, please contribute relevant information I've failed to consider.
this was before the protests, during the protests some escaped but were turned over to the military by civilians who didnt want to see them involved in the protests (source:al-Jazeera live). every time one of the members of the MB pops their head up they get arrested or detained by military and people alike. these people are protesting and fighting for freedom and liberty, they will not suffer another oppressive one to rise.
oppressive regime* sorry
Wolf Blitzer just did a long segment focusing on old people standing in line for bread, begging the protesters to allow the President time to make an orderly handover of power and in general yelling "Hey you 2 million kids get offa my lawn. "
Also, close-up of a terrified soilder trying to hold back a mob with a sidearm.
Oh, that is so beyond pathetic. You'd think grown people at a news station would at least have the good sense to use an accurate map!
If you wanna know who is going to have power in Egypt once this is all over, start by asking who it looks like the army will back. That's a pretty good starting point for figuring it out.
It's odd that you can be racist against a group that's not a race.
Back on topic...
People know the MB had 20% of the seats in Egyptian Parliament before they were outlawed, right? They have participated in civil society before and most segments of Egypt know their economy lives or dies by tourism, MB and other parties involved in any post-Mubarak regime will need to get the economy re-launched asap and I'd guess everyone will play nice at first, then the Machiavellian stuff will happen further down the line. Hopefully that's enough time to increase food security and enshrine some more personal rights into law and redress a few grievances along the way.
minister of the interior has been appointed, its the person formerly in charge of egyptian prisons
alos, israel is pissed at obama supporting the protestors
Hmmm, a diplomatic cable from the US to Israel was just intercepted. It reads "cry more." Oh snap.
They not due to arrive for about another 644 days. Check current ETA & location.
everybody hates israel
Writting maths ,when you ought writes words...are for losers.
Maths is never for losers. For only maths people know how to divide by 0.
They can not use nukes.
The books of jude religion are fascists and racists.
But they are not idiot.
If they use nukes they will dissappear.
And they know this.
Cause they has did not.
Israel is a war-country moral and ethically .
The war is not for humans...
Is for animals.
I'm fine, thanks. I hope you keep posting in the English forums, soon enough consequences will never be the same
Sorry for the derail guise, lets keep talking Egypt plox
Amenazas o animas?
As usual, the Guardian has an excellent summary of today's happenings
Aljazeera has some excellent live coverage, though they are not talking Egypt right now. Anyhow, it's very good TV, and a nice chance to get a glance at the Middle East.
LOL mucho mucho @ FOX NEWS retardation.
Quit getting your feathers ruffled you're being trolled!
Meanwhile Google teams up & all a Twitter for Egyptian people:
At least they can spell Iraq properly...
You might not like his opinions, but the guy has a very good reputation for getting the facts right.
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