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Edward Snowden exposes National Security Agency domestic surveillance

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  1. Anonymous Member

    They knew who I was 20 years ago. This shit is only surprising to those who are under the age of 12 or have purposefully stuck their heads up their fundaments since the 60's.
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  2. The Wrong Guy Member

    Snowden asylum bid: 1 withdrawn, 9 denied, 11 pending — RT News

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    In an exclusive interview with RT on Tuesday, Bolivian President Evo Morales said that his government had not yet received a request from Snowden, but would consider it once it was received.

    “Bolivia is ready to give political asylum to people who expose spying activities, so to speak...if we receive a request, we are willing to consider it,” Morales said.

    Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro expressed a similar sentiment, stating that Caracas is also willing to consider an asylum request from Snowden.

    “This young man must be protected in terms of international and humanitarian law. He has a right to be protected, because he is being pursued be the US. By its president, vice president, and secretary of state. Why is he being pursued? What kind of crime has he committed? Has he launched a missile and killed anyone? Has he planted a bomb and killed anyone? No, he hasn’t. On the contrary, he is doing everything to prevent wars, to prevent any kind of illegal action against the whole world. Venezuela hasn't so far received an asylum request from Snowden - when we get it we are ready to consider it,” Maduro told journalists in Moscow.

    http://rt.com/news/edward-snowden-asylum-moscow-559/
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    http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/20...john-kiriakous-open-letter-to-edward-snowden/
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  6. Anonymous Member

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/02/james-clapper-senate-erroneous
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  7. http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/02/edward-snowden-father-open-letter

    Here is the text of the open letter Lon Snowden, along with his attorney, Bruce Fein, wrote to US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden. The letter was provided to the Associated Press.July 2, 2013Edward Joseph SnowdenMoscowDear Edward:I, Bruce Fein, am writing this letter in collaboration with your father in response to the statement you issued yesterday in Moscow.Thomas Paine, the voice of the American Revolution, trumpeted that a patriot saves his country from his government.What you have done and are doing has awakened congressional oversight of the intelligence community from deep slumber; and, has already provoked the introduction of remedial legislation in Congress to curtail spying abuses under section 215 of the Patriot Act and section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. You have forced onto the national agenda the question of whether the American people prefer the right to be left alone from government snooping absent probable cause to believe crime is afoot to vassalage in hopes of a risk-free existence. You are a modern day Paul Revere summoning the American people to confront the growing danger of tyranny and one branch government.In contrast to your actions, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper responded last March as follows to an unambiguous question raised by Senator Ron Wyden:"Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?" Clapper testified, "No sir, it does not." Wyden asked for clarification, and Clapper hedged: "Not wittingly. There are cases where they could inadvertently, perhaps, collect, but not wittingly."Director Clapper later defended his stupendous mendacity to the Senator as the least untruthful answer possible. President Obama has not publicly rebuked the Director for frustrating the right of the people to know what their government is doing and to force changes if necessary through peaceful democratic processes. That is the meaning of government by the consent of the governed. "We the people" are sovereign under the U.S. Constitution, and government officials are entrusted with stewardship (not destruction) of our liberties.We leave it to the American people to decide whether you or Director Clapper is the superior patriot.The history of civilization is a history of brave men and women refusing to bow to government wrongdoing or injustice, and exalting knowledge, virtue, wisdom, and selflessness over creature comforts as the North Star of life. We believe your actions fall within that honorable tradition, a conviction we believe is shared by many.As regards your reduction to de facto statelessness occasioned by the Executive Branch to penalize your alleged violations of the Espionage Act, the United States Supreme Court lectured in Trop v. Dulles (1958): "The civilized nations of the world are in virtual unanimity that statelessness is not to be imposed as punishment for crime."We think you would agree that the final end of the state is to make men and women free to develop their faculties, not to seek planetary domination through force, violence or spying. All Americans should have a fair opportunity to pursue their ambitions. Politics should not be a football game with winners and losers featuring juvenile taunts over fumbles or missteps.Irrespective of life's vicissitudes, we will be unflagging in efforts to educate the American people about the impending ruination of the Constitution and the rule of law unless they abandon their complacency or indifference. Your actions are making our challenge easier.We encourage you to engage us in regular exchanges of ideas or thoughts about approaches to curing or mitigating the hugely suboptimal political culture of the United States. Nothing less is required to pay homage to Valley Forge, Cemetery Ridge, Omaha Beach, and other places of great sacrifice.
  8. The Wrong Guy Member

    WikiLeaks@wikileaks 7m
    France and Portugal must be denounced, if, as has been reported, President Morales jet was denied landing rights for fear of having Snowden

    WikiLeaks@wikileaks 5m
    Like the attacks against WikiLeaks & its staff, the behavior of states in the #Snowden case is a geopolitical weather bell
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  10. Kilia Member

    Oy vey! (again)
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    National Intelligence Director Apologizes for Lying to Congress - US News and World Report

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    The director of National Intelligence apologized in June to the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee for lying during a hearing, according to a letter published on the DNI website on Tuesday.

    Director James Clapper appeared before the committee in March, where Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., asked him specifically if NSA spies on millions of Americans. Clapper answered, "No."

    "My response was clearly erroneous – for which I apologize," he wrote in the letter to committee chair Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif. "While my staff acknowledged the error to Sen. Wyden's staff soon after the hearing, I can now openly correct it because the existence of the metadata collection program has been declassified."

    More at www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/07/02/national-intelligence-director-apologizes-for-lying-to-congress
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  13. The Wrong Guy Member

    Conor Thomas@conorthomas 6m
    EU leaders 'outraged' at USA spying revealed by Snowden display their gratitude by denying him sanctuary and shutting airspace to asylum.
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  14. Anonymous Member

    You don't have to tell the truth is it's a secret I guess.
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  15. Anonymous Member

    James Clapper?

    Moar liek James CRAPPER, amirite?
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  16. Trac Member

    That is why we have to speak out enough ifs enough if wet don't our guns our gardens everything will be no more I have to do more I just don't know what.
  17. Anonymous Member

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  18. Enturbulette Member

    There is a whole lot more to Endgame apparently - they could be linked to Hastings death through Barrett Brown's investigation of them and their disinfo campaign on behalf of the US Chamber of Commerce. This is long but worth the read as it is this is the most detailed explanation I've run across regarding what exactly Hastings was researching before he died in that car explosion, but even more chilling, another look at Atlanta FBI contractor firm called "Endgame".

    "July 1, 2013 - Was The Fiery Death Of Journalist Michael Hastings Connected To Atlanta Security Firm Called Endgame?

    At the time of his death in a fiery car crash on June 18, journalist Michael Hastings was working on a story about alleged Anonymous leader Barrett Brown. Currently under federal indictment on charges related to computer hacking, Brown is the journalist who first reported on a shadowy private security firm in Atlanta called Endgame.

    The Web site freebarrettbrown.org reports that Hastings was planning to interview Brown in late June and had announced to his followers, "Get ready for your mind to be blown." A Hastings/Brown interview almost certainly would have included questions about Brown's research on "black hat" private security firms that work with the official U.S. intelligence community. Some of these outfits also have powerful ties to corporate America via the U.S.
    Chamber of Commerce. Primary among such firms is Endgame, which is based on the seventh floor of the former Biltmore Hotel building in Atlanta. Before the interview could take place, Hastings was killed when his car exploded, with the engine blown some sixty feet from the wreckage on a Los Angeles street.Were individuals connected to Endgame and the U.S.Chamber --fearing possible exposure in government-sponsored wrongdoing--involved in Michael Hastings' death?

    We don't have a solid answer to that question, But a report last week from Alabama attorney Jill Simpson and election-integrity specialist Jim March presents perhaps the most disturbing revelations yet about Endgame and similar private security firms. The report, dated June 24,
    2013, is titled "Black Hat Versus White Hat: The Other Side of the Snowden/Hastings/Barrett Brown Cases." Here is how March summarizes the report in a piece at OpEd News: This is a look into the world of the private contractors that work in alliance with the official US intelligence community and appear to be state-sanctioned to commit crimes. We focus on one of these shady
    contractors, Endgame--an Atlanta GA corporation that both Barrett Brown and Michael Hastings were looking at. We show who they are, what they do, what their founders did before, who funds them and who they are connected to. We even filmed and photographed their building and lobby.
    Simpson is best known as a former Republican operative who became a whistleblower in the political prosecution of former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman. March is on the board of directors of blackboxvoting.org and is a former board member for the Southern Arizona chapter of the ACLU. They note the ominous meanings behind the term "Endgame" and provide background on the firm's early days.

    (article is long so I skipped some here - it is worth it to go to the link)

    ....No one has done more to shine unwanted attention on Endgame than Barrett Brown. His role in the story began with the February 2011 hack of the private intelligence company HBGary. From a report at The Nation, titled "The Strange Case of Barrett Brown," by reporter Peter Ludlow:
    The HBGary hack may have been designed to humiliate the company, but it had the collateral effect of dropping a gold mine of information into Brown’s lap. . . .
    The data dump from the HBGary hack was so vast that no one person could sort through it alone. So Brown decided to crowdsource the effort. He created a wiki page, called it ProjectPM, and invited other investigative journalists to join in. Under Brown’s leadership, the initiative began to slowly untangle a web of connections between the US government, corporations, lobbyists and a shadowy group of private military and information security consultants.
    One connection was between Bank of America and the Chamber of Commerce. WikiLeaks had claimed to possess a large cache of documents belonging to Bank of America. Concerned about this, Bank of America approached the United States Department of Justice. The DOJ directed it to the law and lobbying firm Hunton and Williams, which does legal work for Wells Fargo and General Dynamics and also lobbies for Koch Industries, Americans for Affordable Climate Policy, Gas Processors Association, Entergy among many other firms. . . .
    In November 2010, Hunton and Williams organized a number of private intelligence, technology development and security contractors—HBGary, plus Palantir Technologies, Berico Technologies and, according to Brown, a secretive corporation with the ominous name Endgame Systems—to form “Team Themis”—‘themis’ being a Greek word meaning “divine law.” Its main objective was to discredit critics of the Chamber of Commerce, like Chamber Watch, using such tactics as creating a “false document, perhaps highlighting periodical financial information,” giving it to a progressive group opposing the Chamber, and then subsequently exposing the document as a fake to “prove that US Chamber Watch cannot be trusted with information and/or tell the truth.”
    The bottom line? Barrett Brown helped expose Endgame's role in a disinformation campaign that was designed to protect the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Michael Hastings was set to interview Brown, and that almost certainly would have yielded damaging information about both Endgame and the U.S. Chamber.

    Before that interview took place, Michael Hastings' car exploded.

    Does Endgame welcome scrutiny about its activities? The following video helps answer that question:"
    (video at the site)
    http://legalschnauzer.blogspot.co.nz/2013/07/was-fiery-death-of-journalist-michael.html
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  19. Rockyj Member

    ^^ I am distressed as it all sucks donkey turds!
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  20. The Wrong Guy Member

    WikiLeaks Attacks Obama In Edward Snowden Row

    WikiLeaks has accused US President Barack Obama of “thin-skinned vindictiveness” after European governments denied airspace to an aircraft carrying Bolivian President Evo Morales because of suspicions it might be carrying US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden.

    Julian Assange has also condemned the bugging of Ecuador's London embassy, where he is living, after Ecuadorean Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino announced that a listening device had been found in the ambassador's office.

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    Mr Snowden's request for safety in Ecuador, which has sheltered Mr Assange in its London embassy for more than a year, appears to have run into a major obstacle after President Rafael Correa said his government would only consider an asylum request when the applicant reached his country's territory or one of its embassies.

    Ecuadorean Foreign Minister Mr Patino on Tuesday announced that his ministry had found a listening device in the Ecuadorean embassy in London.

    "We are infiltrated everywhere," he told a press conference in Quito, adding that he would "request explanations" from the country that had installed the microphone.

    Mr Patino said the listening device had been found in the office of newly appointed ambassador Juan Falconi Puig during the Foreign Minister's visit to London last month. Published photos show the office was used for discussions between Mr Patino and Mr Assange.

    www.theage.com.au/world/wikileaks-attacks-obamas-thinskinned-vindictiveness-in-snowden-row-20130703-2pbd9.html
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  21. A.O.T.F Member

    It's a very leading statement. All we know up to this point, is that the vehicle was engulfed in flames, because of an apparent high speed collision with a tree. Any and all evidence pertaining to the accident /witness statements must be logged / photographed & recorded at the scene by the attending officers. .. So we're waiting on that evidence, still waiting on toxicology, and the Coroners report.
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  24. Enturbulette Member

    Oh they've got Latin America mad, bro.

    "Bolivia's Defense Minister Ruben Saavedra told CNN that Mr. Snowden had had no contact with Bolivian officials visiting Moscow. He blasted what he called the "colonialist" and illegal attitude of the French and Portuguese governments.

    An official from Bolivia´s Foreign Ministry said the government is now working out a "new flight itinerary" for Mr. Morales´ Falcon 900 EX jet to continue his trip back home.
    In Minsk, Venezuelan foreign minister Elias Jaua called the incident of Mr. Morales plane, an "attempt" on the life of the Bolivian president, the first indigenous president in Bolivia's modern history. "We absolutely consider this an attempt to put President Morales in danger," said Mr. Jaua.

    He blasted "the obsession of the elites of the U.S. government" as it tried to "hunt" Mr. Snowden. "What just happened to President Morales is the manifestation of the fascism that is taking over the world from the imperialist governments to their lackeys," he said. In Ecuador´s capital of Quito, Foreign Minister Ricardo Patiño said that he believed that Mr. Snowden was still in Russia.

    Mr. Patiño said at a news conference that the country would request an extraordinary meeting of the Union of South American Nations to discuss what happened to Mr. Morales's airplane.

    "It is a tremendous offense to President Morales and we are going to react," Mr. Patiño said."

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324436104578582253203190728.html
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  25. Enturbulette Member

    Explosion or not, I've been curious as to what it was he was working on and so evidently anxious about right before he was killed went nuts in his brand new car, hit a tree which shows no sign of damage in photos, and died in an unusually fiery event that flung his engine like a skipped rock, while witnesses reported hearing a bomb-like sound that made their house windows chatter.
    Instead what interested me was that this was the first detailed info I have seen on the major story he was pursuing. There was apparently some disinfo in Huff Po about what he was working on, which his wife made a statement saying was false. This has the ring of truth, but more interestingly lifts the rock on this Endgame FBI contractor. I don't wish to derail so posted a thread regarding Endgame here if anyone has more news on them.
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  26. Anonymous Member

    LOL /b/olivia

    Expect Them.
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  27. Enturbulette Member

    "um, we'd like to order one hundred million pizzas please, delivered."
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  28. Rockyj Member

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE9610C520130703?irpc=932
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  29. The Wrong Guy Member

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  30. Cool, so let's all merrily sing the last stanza of "Tap Me, For I Have Nothing to Hide" with East German-like resignation, lay on our bellies, and lube up for more governmental assrape, paid for by the sheeple.

    BTW, there was no Internet in the 60s, moribund ex-hippie, nor did the gubmint have the ability to tap EVERYONE, as they have now. Just in case yer still trippin'.
  31. Jimbob Member

    People should have stopped the government a long time ago. They are either too complacent, too lazy, or to blind\ignorant to do anything that would potent enough to force the government back under the will of the people. Until then we might as well just expect them to continue to act as if they own us and the rest of the fucking world.
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    .
    www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/03/clapper-lying-snowden-eu-bolivia bump
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  33. Trac Member

    My heart sinks what it's happening all I feel is fuck this we can't let him go down we can't do I'm here wrong letters to editors trying to get the word out to others who want to do anything to help him and us!!!!
  34. Most... Scientological.
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  36. Enturbulette Member

    In an open letter from Snowden's father -

    "The United States Supreme Court lectured in Trop v. Dulles (1958): “The civilized nations of the world are in virtual unanimity that statelessness is not to be imposed as punishment for crime.”

    "Thomas Paine, the voice of the American Revolution, trumpeted that a patriot saves his country from his government.

    What you have done and are doing has awakened congressional oversight of the intelligence community from deep slumber; and, has already provoked the introduction of remedial legislation in Congress to curtail spying abuses under section 215 of the Patriot Act and section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. You have forced onto the national agenda the question of whether the American people prefer the right to be left alone from government snooping absent probable cause to believe crime is afoot to vassalage in hopes of a risk-free existence. You are a modern day Paul Revere summoning the American people to confront the growing danger of tyranny and one branch government."

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    "Irrespective of life’s vicissitudes, we will be unflagging in efforts to educate the American people about the impending ruination of the Constitution and the rule of law unless they abandon their complacency or indifference. Your actions are making our challenge easier."

    Way to go pops!

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...2ff87e-e350-11e2-bffd-37a36ddab820_story.html
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  37. ^Good information for all to possess.

    Moar@ http://rt.com/usa/kiriakou-snowden-letter-leak-618/

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