Detroit Idle Org Closed By Order of the People!!!

Discussion in 'Flash Raids' started by subgenius, Jun 5, 2011.

  1. subgenius Member

    For some reason I had the impression that this was a recurring fine.
    It seemed that the illegible part after "$200" reads "day", but I could be wrong.
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  2. Quentinanon Member

    $200 per day would be significant. Wow, that adds up to a chunk of money which I don't think the Detroit Morg could afford.
    So Alan Kellman is still practicing law in Detroit?
    He has got to be in his mid 70's, a time when most attorneys have long since retired. Guess he has to keep paying the cult to redo his "bridge to total fiefdom".
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  3. subgenius Member

    Yeah, don't quote me on the per day thing, but for some reason I had assumed it was recurring. Don't know what the city has done since then, but I'm quite sure Scientology hasn't cleared the reasons for the violation. So there is a check box for repeat violation. Hope there's follow up.
    Motherfucker came out and harassed me when I solo raided there.
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  4. Quentinanon Member

    Pretty sure if you got a video of this scienazi harassing you from your mobile phone and posted it on YouTube, he would not do that again.
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  5. The Wrong Guy Member


    Church of Scientology to spend $8 million to renovate its vacant downtown Detroit building

    By Kirk Pinho, Crain's Detroit Business


    The Church of Scientology has owned the former Standard Savings & Loan building in downtown Detroit for a decade but has done nothing with it. That's about to change.

    The Los Angeles-based church has been issued a building permit for $8 million worth of work to the 50,000-square-foot building at the corner of Griswold Street and Jefferson Avenue.

    The permit was issued Monday and calls for interior and exterior renovations, according to online city records. The contractor is Sterling Heights-based Roncelli Inc.

    "The building will house the Church of Scientology of Detroit and is part of the Church's international program to service its parishioners in 'ideal' Churches," Karin Pouw, international spokeswoman for the church, said in an email to Crain's on Wednesday.

    "The Church will have a chapel, rooms for parishioners to study the religion and public areas for community meetings and activities."

    Construction work will start "soon," Pouw said.

    She added that the church has expanded more in the last decade than it had in the previous 50 years combined.

    "In the last year alone, we have opened new churches in Copenhagen, Miami, San Fernando Valley, Auckland, Budapest, Sydney, San Diego and Harlem, adding to the more than 50 new churches opened in recent years."

    The Southfield office of Los Angeles-based CBRE Inc. is listing the church's 15,100-square-foot Farmington Hills building at 28000 Middlebelt Rd. for sale for $1.5 million.

    It is too soon to say whether staff in the Farmington Hills building will be relocated to downtown, Pouw said. "It will be determined when the building downtown is completed," she said.

    The 50,000-square-foot downtown building was built in 1930 and was home to Standard Savings bank. Its most recent tenant was Raymond James, whose sign still adorns the nine-story building's roof.

    The church proposed removing that sign and replacing it with a Church of Scientology sign, but that proposal was scuttled by Detroit City Council.

    The church paid $3.5 million for the building in October 2007, a rate of $70.07 per square foot, according to CoStar Group Inc., a Washington, D.C.-based real estate information service.

    It sits just east of the 150 West Jefferson skyscraper, owned by Southfield-based Redico LLC, and across Jefferson from Hart Plaza.

    Source, and open comments:
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  6. subgenius Member

    Last Sunday

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  7. Ann O'Nymous Member

    I heard this somewhere. Journalists might do their homework and question Pouw about similar cases in other cities.
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  8. TorontosRoot Member

    It's never going to happen. Just a puff piece.
  9. The Wrong Guy Member

    This was also published today, beginning by referencing the article shared a few posts up.

    The Church of Scientology is coming to downtown Detroit | Detroit Metro Times


    The Church of Scientology has been the topic of much scrutiny and criticism lately. In 2015, HBO released the documentary Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief that pretty much accuses the Church of being a scam. The doc discusses the founder of the Church Ron L. Hubbard, as well as how it operates and some of its secrets.

    This past year, actress and former Scientologist Leah Remini released a documentary series on the religion for A&E. She describes the Church as more of a cult than a religion and interviews other defectors, many of whose Scientologist family members have had to sever ties with them due to the church policy.

    Below is a clip of Remini discussing Scientology:

    Full article, with open comments:
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  10. Quentinanon Member

    Since OSA Int spokeshole Karin Pouw was the public relations contact for this article, that indicates that the Detroit Morg lacks a DSA.
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  11. VIDEO: Church of Scientology moving to downtown Detroit

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    Church of Scientology moving downtown

    WXYZ-TV Detroit | Channel 7

    Published on Jul 19, 2017

    Church of Scientology moving downtown

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  12. I don't think so. This is an Int project all of the way -- as are all of the upcoming new Ideal Orgs, of which there are many. There is no way DM is going to let a local DSA handle media on this or any of the upcoming Ideal Org renovations, purchases, openings, etc. This is all Int.
  13. TorontosRoot Member

    Close them up, boot them out!
  14. subgenius Member

    You could see my sign in the background, too bad they didn't feature it like the Free Press.
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  17. Quentinanon Member

    All right, so then, OSA Int does not trust the local DSA if one exists. The effect is tantamount.
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  18. The Wrong Guy Member

    Downtown Detroit Church of Scientology set to open | The Detroit News


    After years of planning, the Church of Scientology’s downtown Detroit location is slated to open to the public next week, officials confirmed Friday.

    The newest location near Jefferson and Griswold is scheduled to welcome the community starting at 9 a.m. Monday, spokeswoman Karin Pouw said.

    Continued at

    Church of Scientology opening doors in downtown Detroit Monday | Crain's Detroit Business

    Church of Scientology debuts in downtown Detroit | Detroit Free Press

    Detroit's Church of Scientology is getting ready to do... something | Detroit Metro Times
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  19. TorontosRoot Member

    Welcome to an empty building.
  20. The Wrong Guy Member

    Detroit going Ideal! Scientology throws its invite-only party in Motor City today

    By Tony Ortega, The Underground Bunker, October 14, 2018


    The stage is set for Scientology’s Ideal Org grand opening in Detroit today at 1 pm. We hope to have live reports from a couple of correspondents on the scene.

    This is the first Ideal Org opening in the US since Orlando in May. Scientology was very secretive about that shindig, but it was even more stealthy about its September grand opening in Stuttgart, Germany.

    The local Detroit press has been all over today’s event, probably at least in part because the location is so prominent — no one could miss the giant “Scientology” sign on the top of the old Standard Federal Savings and Loan building on West Jefferson at Griswold, though Scientology kept the sign under wraps until the last minute.

    To help set the scene today, we quickly put together a short video, using a couple of shots taken by reader Shorpy, who checked out the location yesterday.


    Rod Keller has been doing yeoman’s work tracking Scientology’s Ideal Org program for us in recent years. We asked him for his thoughts on today’s milestone.

    Detroit is the org that showed me that Scientology is sincere in planning every single org to go Ideal. Some accused them of buying buildings intending to keep them empty forever, serving only to extract donations from local publics. Many Ideal Org buildings do stand empty for now, but if they can shovel this kind of money to open a disaster like Detroit — which has almost no Scientologists — it shows that in Buenos Aires, Athens, Port Elizabeth and Montreal they have a plan for completing them all as well.

    Detroit has the best org location to open in a long time, facing Hart Plaza and surrounded by the city’s main hotels, government buildings, arenas and stadiums. It stands in opposition to recent Ideal Orgs in suburban locations and office parks, such as Birmingham, Orlando, and Perth. (And Boston, to come.) This is an org with tremendous walk-in potential.

    Each Ideal Org that opens increases the number of org square feet per Scientologist. They continue to lose membership worldwide at the same time that they add about 300,000 square feet of org space per year. That can’t go on indefinitely. They shuffle in Sea Org members, Russian, Mexican and Taiwanese staff members to fill staff positions, but in a few years the newcomers fade away leaving a small staff in a large building. Scientology’s goal is to reverse that trend, using Scientology TV to attract recruits into gleaming Ideal Orgs and to drive a new era of global expansion. That hasn’t happened yet and Season 2 shows nothing new that Season 1 failed to deliver.

    We have to agree with everything Rod said. This is a terrific location for an Ideal Org — Shorpy showed us around when we were in town in 2015 — but like the rest, that potential will be wasted as it inevitably goes empty.

    But Dave has his grand opening, and he can boast about it at the New Year’s event to the wealthy donors. And that’s all that matters.

    More at
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  22. The Wrong Guy Member

    Here are some local reports on the opening:

    The Church of Scientology is open in downtown Detroit | Curbed Detroit

    Meet the New Downtown Detroit Neighbors: Church of Scientology | Deadline Detroit

    Some of the reports read like press releases:

    Church of Scientology holds grand opening for new center in Downtown Detroit | Click On Detroit

    Church of Scientology opens doors of downtown Detroit center | The Detroit News

    Scientology Opens New Church in Downtown Detroit | World Religion News

    Church of Scientology opens in downtown Detroit | WXYZ Detroit

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