Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Internetzin, Aug 13, 2012.
Ok ok, atonement, atonement!! (Inwardly cursing small hippy lurking in my head)
A huge percentage of world disease is caused by a simple lack of clean water and sanitation. I'm not saying we could "cure" all diseases, but a reallocation of the trillions spent on killing each other would go a damn long way. Consider North Korea, they have the 4th largest standing army in the world while hundreds of thousands starve to death, literally.
Soldiers = job = income for a family.
+ stuff will change with Jong-Un
There's no need for atonement because no one here is a god. (For that matter, I see no sound reasons to believe that any gods exist. But I digress.) There's also no need to dive into the stoned-out-hippy-pipedream that everything can be "perfect". I'm just saying that there's a lot of room for improvement.
soldiers=job=income for family=destroying things
farmers=job=income for family=food
laborer=job=income for family=roads, hospitals, factories, more jobs
doctor=job=income for family=healthy people
engineer=job=income for family=more efficiency and comfort
Do you see how one of these things is distinctly different from all the others?
Have you ever seen the Japanese Defensive Army, aka the Japanese Rescue Unit?
Last time I've seen them destroy anything it was because they were saving people out of collapsed buidlings.
Are you seriously trying to equate rescue services with a standing army? How often are those JDAMs, RPGs, and land mines used to rescue people? And how about the billions spent on B-2s, Typhoons, and J-20s? How often do they rescue people?
As for getting off this rock for us to survive lol. Too much sci fi[/quote]
'As for getting rocks off for us to survive?' that might just work
If the army is self-defensive based and has a limit on firearms? Yes.
Just think about the situation where every army would be for self defense only.
>No war possible as they can't attack each other.
>No need for all your above mentioned chaos stuff.
>More specialized and faster response on (natural) disasters.
Do you want to see something fucked up? Our active and "reserves" (which have been treated as active by another name in recent years) pretty closely matches the People's Republic of China. We have less than 1/4 of their population, and unlike China, we haven't been in a shooting war with either of our neighbors in over a century. In fact, we're pretty friendly with both Canada and Mexico, which I'm sure China wishes they could say about Russia and Japan. We also are responsible for 41% of the world's military spending. Imagine if we took half of the $711 billion we're spending on our military this year, which would be easy if we weren't fighting two unnecessary wars, and put that into infrastructure, education, socialized medicine, and science, including NASA. Further imagine we continue to fund those at similar levels or better and make them a national priority. It's obscene that we can spend that much money to destroy places and our roads and other infrastructure are crumbling and people are dying because they can't afford basic health care. As a bonus, it would make us safer, because we wouldn't be starting wars and pissing people off. Much of our history, certainly since Manifest Destiny, has been later generations cleaning up after the mistakes of the earlier generations. While wars can be just, such as World War II, most aren't, and make no mistake: when a nation's duly elected government is overthrown because we don't like them, that's war. When shots are fired on another nation's soil, that's war. If we want our present and future to be better, we should use war only as a last resort in the worst of cases.
I didn't want to get into the fact that the environment that made Germany so ripe for Hitler was due, in part, to the punitive measures taken after WWI. After WWII, the United States and allies helped rebuild Japan. That could have been guilt from dropping a couple of nukes on them, but the results speak for themselves. They're now a valued ally and trading partner.
A country got sentenced for a war they didn't even start, yet had to repay all costs made during the war. (They're still repaying those)
Calling this an "punitive measure" fits the USA.
You know damn well they only supported Japan & all the allied forces with the so called "Marshall Plan" aid packages to get money out of it.
"History is written by the victors."
If you had only a slight idea what the "Marshall Plans" really requested from the countries, you would reconsider the meaning of the word 'help'
The Marshall Plan was a lot better than Reconstruction.
Yeah it really beat communism out of europe.
Job well done.
It at least stopped the spread of the infection. Sometimes, that's the best you can hope for.
It's in America at the moment.
Called Occupy and Obama.
Be VERY afraid.
Kindly fuck yourself. Actually, scratch that. Go fuck yourself with a chain saw. Anyone who thinks Obama is a socialist is a fucking moron. I'm a socialist. Obama's a 1990s era Republicunt. There's a difference. Occupy has some socialist tendencies, mainly on the order that the 1% of Americans who bring home about 1/4 of the total wages in a given year suck less to those who actually create jobs, the working class, but none of these are communist.
Just wait for the moment the BB takes over control. Won't take long.
Would you like a side of black helicopters with your delusional, paranoid fucktardery?
No, I like my derailing with your attention only, thank you.
If anyone advanced the cause of Big Brother, it's Dumbya Bush. TSA, Homeland Security, warrantless wiretaps, torture (I'm sorry, "extraordinary rendition"), scapegoating minorities to garner more power? All under him.
Americans arguing lol
Probably the best thing we are good at.... Probably the only thing we are good at too.
Have you forgotten the US "War on Drugs" has caused Mexican Drug Cartels to rise in power and is, for lack of a better word, at a full blown war with the Mexican Government? That this Gov Vs. Cartel war has spilled over onto US soil... Which is ironic because the US is the biggest consumer of illicit drugs?
While the US and Mexico are "friendly" with each other, it is strained and problematic too.
All that has to happen now is most of the Americans to gain a brain and some knowledge and maybe, just maybe they will start to think about certain things too. Important ones. Global things. Like how to get Bacon out of Mars.
That and driving nuclear powered robots on FUCKING MARS
I haven't forgotten. It isn't a full-blown war against Mexico's government. It's a full blown war with the cooperation of Mexico's government. There's a substantial difference. I agree with your implied larger point that the "War on Drugs" has been an utter, abject failure, much like Prohibition before it.
Well it's mostly a war against plants anyways..
FTFY. Make it legal and tax the hell out of it, but not enough to keep the black market demand for it alive, just like liquor and smokes, and who gives a fuck if people grow their own? Most people will be too lazy to grow their own.
MODS, I DEMAND THAT YOU RETURN THE WORDS &quot;AMERICA, FUCK YEAH&quot; BACK TO THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD DERAIL WHERE THEY BELONG!!!@!#!
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Teenage boys and conservative talking heads fap to some of these images. I don't mean the anime chick or the two bikini chicks. I mean the war ships and firearms, because nothing says heterosexuality like fapping to giant phallic symbols.
The person above wishes to be sure to celebrate America so she includes nothing but jingoist images of militarism.
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IRELAND! FUCK YEAH!
The Emerald Isles
They brought the world Guinness beer and that bastard sibling of bagpipes, the Uilleann pipes. I raise a pint to the land of some of my ancestors. I mean, of course, Russia. Bah, Russia, Ireland, the US, the average blood alcohol level is higher than the average IQ in all of them.
No, I was quoting another post and mocking the homoeroticism of many of the "patriotic" images, because nothing says straight, conservative male like men holding things shaped like dicks.
not you Greta.
The comment was addressed at Failboat, you just intercepted the message.
So, homoerotic conservative jingoistic images to define the greatness that is America.
Say, that's not bad, actually, sort of sums up what the US has become.
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