Debbie Cook speaks at last.

Discussion in 'News and Current Events' started by DodoTheLaser, Dec 31, 2011.

  1. Danny Cardana Member

    What does a Scientologist do with all these failures when they cannot confront them?
    • Ignore it. This is a Scientology Standard Tech method of dealing with it. Pretend you don’t notice the complete lack of results. Pretend that somewhere, someone is “winning”. Pretend that the temporary euphoria after a session means “real case gain”.
    • “Fix” it. That’s what the history of Scientology is all about: One “solution” to failure after another -- with each “solution”, in turn, failing.
    • Sell it. This is another Scientology “solution”. Ignore the failures and keep selling the promised results. In the real world, we call that “fraud”.
    • Try harder. Believe it would work if only you could “do it right” and so, Scientologists keep trying the same “solutions” over and over in hopes that some day the promised results will magically appear.
    • Give up. Accept the ultimate Scientology reason for all its failures: That all Scientology’s failures are your fault. You are too awful a being for Scientology to ever work on you.
    These are all the standard Scientology solutions, they are built into Scientology itself. Scientologists are very familiar with all these, but may I suggest one additional choice that a Scientologist could make:
    • Reality. Recognize that Scientology has failed and cannot and will not ever deliver what Hubbard promised. Recognize that each “solution” just results in more failure. Take whatever bits you might have found useful and leave the rest. Step off the Bridge to Total Failure. Stop wasting your time, your money and your life on such consistent and continual failure. Start winning by deliberately not using Scientology.
    Just because Scientology has failed doesn’t mean you have to.
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  2. SeenTheLight Member

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  3. Anonymous Member

    Unhinged clams in the mud, choking on the bile.
  4. RightOn Member

    Jo Jo makes me cringe
  5. Anonymous Member

    So if she was getting pummeled by Slappy, she would stand there, smile and say "Thank you, Sir"?
  6. DeathHamster Member

    You should see her web sites.
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  7. RightOn Member

    I can't even imagine
    wtf is daft Daphne talking about. Being a tiny splinter in a thumb ....
    what a bunch of crap
  8. Anonymous Member

    Ugly both outside and inside.
  9. Anonymous Member

    Is it wrong for me to love this?
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  10. Anonymous Member

  11. Malory Member

    Holy crap on a cracker, I just had a flashback to 2001.
  12. anonymous612 Member

    Did she originally build that shit on Geocities?

    Also, lmfao Earthlink.

    Also, I find it amusing someone who claims to have been an editor for years doesn't know the difference between editing and proofreading.

    Also, oh my fucking god that is some spectacularly bad poetry. Formatting is no replacement for talent.
  13. adhocrat Member

    That's actually straight tech.
    It was one of the first things I was shown, by an OT8, no less. To this day i have no idea why they think that helps. Or maybe they use it as a test. If you accept it, then you're the one they want ('we got a hot prospect, he bought it')
  14. anonymous612 Member

    iirc, it's supposed to convince you that your body is a tiny insignificant part of who you are, and your thetan is this big massive powerful being.
  15. Anonymous Member

    ...Dat smile.
  16. RightOn Member

    thanks Adho and hai!
    To this day, I can't figure out why one OTs haven't use their "abilities" to do anything worth a damn
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  17. ThetanBait Member

    It appears that when you get to the top of the Bridge, there's nothing left for you to do except get other people on the Bridge.
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  18. RightOn Member

    natch.... but those OT's have a lot of 'splainin' to do as to why they haven't used their powers for the good of mankind! Isn't there a tropical storm brewing and on it's way to Fl? lol
  19. anonymous612 Member

    Got some reason to suggest that?
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  20. Jquepublic Member

    I know her. We were both on staff in Philly and trained at Flag together. Thompson was her married name when she and Bruce Thompson, DSA Philly were married.
  21. anonymous612 Member

    Ahh, okay, that makes sense.

    Lol, she was married to Bruce Thompson? That may have been said earlier in this thread...I haven't read this one in a while.

    Bruce is down south with us in Clearwater these days. He bailed on the DSA position in order to join the Sea Org. We've had him try to handle us at protests before.
  22. Anonymous Member

    Just another case of happily married, full of life scis. Do you think they officially split, or just went their separate ways as the church deemed?
  23. Jquepublic Member

    I heard that he was going in, didn't know he was in CW - I saw some blurb he wrote about selling his things so he could join. I thought he would wind up in NYC working with Tim Lomas at CLO EUS or even replacing him, but I guess my tinfoil was pointing in the wrong direction at the time. :)

    Gayle is in your area as well, afaik - last I heard, Tampa. She's also associated with the indie courseroom in FL as their Senior C/S.
  24. Jquepublic Member

    I think Gayle decided to leave staff and move to CW to do her OT levels and Bruce was on post in Philly and couldn't or wouldn't agree to route off, so she dumped him. But that's just speculation!
  25. anonymous612 Member

    No idea whether he's here fulltime or not, he's not one of our more regular handlers.
  26. The Wrong Guy Member

    Debbie Cook surfaces, still isn’t talking

    By Tony Ortega, The Underground Bunker, November 9, 2015

    Texas attorney Ray Jeffrey posted this photograph to his Facebook page last night. His caption: “Marc and Debra Wiegand at dinner with me and our treasured friends, Debbie and Wayne Baumgarten. What a great evening.”


    Ray Jeffrey and Marc Wiegand are both attorneys, and each has been working on Monique Rathbun’s lawsuit. Debbie Cook Baumgarten was captain of the Flag Service Organization for 17 years but then, after a short stay in David Miscavige’s prison for top Scientology executives, “The Hole,” she wrote an infamous email about his misrule that went out on New Year’s Eve 2012. Her devastating critique of Miscavige, using quotes from L. Ron Hubbard, led hundreds and perhaps thousands of longtime Scientologists to ditch the organization. (Leah Remini, in her book Troublemaker, gives Cook’s email credit for helping her make up her mind about leaving Scientology.)

    Scientology sued Debbie, citing draconian contracts she had signed when she left her Sea Org job, and by the terms of those contracts she was facing millions of dollars in liability in a San Antonio courtroom. But after Debbie gave devastating testimony about the conditions in the Hole and other matters, Scientology then offered to pay her to end its own lawsuit.

    Mike Rinder has written that Debbie didn’t want to take the money and wanted to fight on. But that simply made no sense. With no way of knowing if the San Antonio judge would agree that her contracts had been signed under duress, Debbie still faced millions in liabilities. She made the only sensible choice and took the settlement from the church. With that came an agreement to spend three years out of the country, and she still can’t talk about Scientology publicly. We’d love to interview her now, but she isn’t available. However, she is now back in Texas and, from this photo, it looks like she’s enjoying life. We wish her well.

    Source, and open comments:
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  27. The Wrong Guy Member

    Five years later: Debbie Cook’s indictment of Scientology under David Miscavige, annotated

    By Tony Ortega, January 1, 2017


    Five years ago, a little after midnight as 2012 had just begun, we started to get emails.

    Later that morning, we realized that what was happening was significant enough to write a story about it. A woman named Debbie Cook had sent her fellow Scientologists a message for the new year, and it was hitting Scientology like a tidal wave.

    For 17 years, Debbie had been “Captain FSO,” the Sea Org official who ran the Flag Service Organization, the outfit that oversees Scientology’s spiritual mecca, the Flag Land Base in Clearwater, Florida. The Captain FSO has to be a hard-as-nails Sea Org commander who runs a small army of similarly dedicated fanatics, but also serves and interacts with the wealthy “publics” who come to Flag for its high-priced counseling. And to have that position for 17 years made Debbie almost legendary. But by the end of 2011, she had been moved from that position and then had quietly left the Sea Org itself, although she was still a Scientologist in good standing. Other church members may have not seen or heard from Debbie in some time, but her name was still one that carried weight. Here’s how Jefferson Hawkins explained to us what Debbie meant to most people in the church:

    For many, many years, Debbie was used as the spokesperson for the Flag Land Base. Her picture was featured prominently in every issue of “Source” Magazine, with a “Message from the Captain.” She made many, many promotional videos extolling the virtues of coming to the Flag Land Base. The Church deliberately built her up as an “opinion leader” for Scientologists. There was a lot of work that went into establishing her as a high-profile opinion leader for the top Scientologists.

    And now, in a lengthy message that was forwarded to thousands of Scientologists around the world, Debbie used the words of L. Ron Hubbard to take apart David Miscavige.

    Five years later, we can say that Debbie Cook’s email is one of the things new defectors from the Church of Scientology most often cite as the reason they began to take seriously the idea of leaving an organization they might have belonged to for decades, or had even grown up in. There’s just no question that Debbie Cook’s message had a devastating effect on the loyalty of many longtime Scientologists, and helped them decide to walk away.

    Debbie was sued by the church for writing it, based on draconian agreements she had signed when she left her position in the Sea Org. Debbie was living in the San Antonio area at the time, and she hired a local attorney name Ray Jeffrey to represent her. We were in the courtroom that February day for a preliminary hearing, and we can tell you it was a nervous moment. According to a strict reading of the contracts Debbie had signed, Scientology could potentially convince a judge that she owed them millions of dollars for criticizing Miscavige. On Debbie’s side, Jeffrey argued that she had signed those contracts under duress after being abused in the Sea Org. And in order to prove that, he wanted to put Debbie on the witness stand. Scientology’s attorneys were against it, but Judge Martha Tanner said she wanted to hear Debbie’s testimony.

    What Debbie said in the witness box was devastating. She talked about leaving her FSO post and being sent to California, where she was tasked with overseeing the imprisonment of executives in “The Hole,” Miscavige’s bizarre jail for underlings he suspected of sabotage. Before long, Debbie was thrown into The Hole as a prisoner herself, and was subjected to disturbing abuse, such as being stood up in a trash can with water poured over her while the other inmates chanted insults at her and called her a “lesbian.” After seven weeks, Debbie managed to get away from the Hole, and she was happy to sign anything to get away from the Sea Org altogether. At that point, she said on the witness stand, she would have signed a confession to killing babies if it meant getting away from that sick organization.

    The press coverage of that day of testimony went national, and it was brutal. And that’s why the Church of Scientology waived the rest of the hearing and then eventually settled with Debbie for an undisclosed amount — but we’re pretty sure it was in the millions. Millions of dollars, that is, paid by Scientology in order to end the lawsuit that it had filed. We always have to remind people of that who criticize Debbie for accepting the settlement and not somehow pushing on with a lawsuit which she had not filed and which potentially had liabilities in the millions of dollars against her.

    We don’t know the terms of the settlement, but they obviously included the stipulation that Debbie and her husband Wayne Baumgarten leave the country for a few years. They’re back now, in Texas, but they still won’t give interviews about their experiences, which it’s not hard to conclude is a condition of the settlement they signed.

    And that’s a shame, because we’d still like to talk to Debbie about the effect her 2012 email has had on the Church of Scientology. We have a feeling that she knows what a big effect it’s had, and she could probably tell us some interesting things about what she’s heard from the people who were affected by it.

    Instead, to mark this anniversary, we’re posting her lengthy email again, and with the annotations we wrote for it back in 2012, with some slight edits to update things. We hope you enjoy this examination of what Debbie wrote, and that it becomes plain why it was such a challenge to David Miscavige and his leadership of an organization that is now in serious decline.

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  28. The Wrong Guy Member

    Scientology Executive Debbie Cook Speaks Out | Steven Mango


    Debbie Cook was a former high-ranking official in the cult, the Captain of the Flag Land Base, which is the Mecca of Scientology in Clearwater, Florida. On New Years Day in 2012, Debbie Cook released a critical email to thousands of Scientologists revealing secrets within the Church of Scientology. I read through Debbie’s email and give comments, as a former Scientologist, explaining how I experienced the off-policy actions of the Church of Scientology.

    Debbie Cook’s email:

    Tony Ortega’s story:

    About Me: My name is Steven Mango and I was a parishoner of the exclusive Church of Scientology Celebrity Centre International in Hollywood, CA. In the span of four years of devoted membership until my escape in 2012, I became a lifetime member, I donated close to $50,000 to the church, and I was a victim of severe spiritual and emotional abuse inside the walls of the church. I was also a poster boy for the church, appearing in advertisements for the International Association of Scientologists across the Celebrity Centre. My photo also appeared on their The Way To Happiness booklets.

    Contact Information and Links:

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