Debbie Cook speaks at last.

* sigh *

One of the reasons Chanology works is the disparate elements within it which means the cult gets attacked on all fronts, by a variety of (legal) methods. Some of us want to applaud Debbie for having the guts to do what she did; some of us wll hang back and point out that she's been involved in a lot of shady shit over the years and because this is a discussion forum we're all going to want to add our piece to the conversation. It's all good.

Anyone else read the above Facebook OP name as "John Turd"?

This is fucking why.

What a sleigh of hand was that Hubbard statement is "if you are being attacked, you must be doing something right". I mean, it defies all logic, yet works perfectly too keep scientology sheeple safe and cosy in the slaughter house sheep pen.

When I was a scientologist, there was no thinking, there was no examination of statements of the like quoted above. But there is some hope, once a scientologist begins to critically think, the process is one of expedential destruction of the Hubbard thought construct. It rapid and tends to be absolute. So, keep these sheep intellectually challenged, at heart they are very lazy thinkers, so one has to keep prodding them.

No. The situation of the children is being used to drive a point in an argument ("Debbie should come clean with her crimes, and stop defending Hubbard right NOW!!!!!1111"), that doesn't immediately have to do anything with children and, were Debbie to follow through on the demands of those who talk about "think of the children!!!1111oneone", rather ends up hurting children instead of helping them. I consider this to be low.

So, if you absolutely must have some reference to children in an argument, I ask you this:

What does help those Scn children more?
- A Debbie cook sending an email about ALL the abuses she witnessed and the abuses that she perpetrated while in the organisation, and about how LRH is a bad guy. This will immediately make Scientologist parents dismiss the letter as "entheta" and "enemy lines" or "fake" and they'll be happy to continue sending their children into the Sea Org
or
- A Debbie cook email that actually manages to make these people wake up with observable facts that each public can check out for themselves, that has a higher chance of parents checking out the internet, and have them wisen up about the situation of children in the Sea Org.

In the end, strategically, and this includes OUR goals as well, not only indie goals, what she has done with her letter, and in spite of her not admitting to the various crimes she herself has committed, with that letter she has done the maximum amount of damage to the cult that is possible.

This is in our interest. It is not in our interest that she comes "clean" right now. It would be in our interest a few months from now.

A little bit offtopic, but this was just posted:

Believe me when I say that I am enjoying Cook's clusterfuck email. That being said, the general public does not read this forum and if we want to keen to the heavens about what we know these kids are going through? I see no problem with that.

Me neither. But this is not what this argument was about. It's about "Debbie cook should come clean with her crimes right NOW" and I wholeheartedly disagree. Tactically, it would be stupid if she did that.

FIFY

OGRE? What kind of WoW shit is this?

LOL. From KSW http://www.american-buddha.com/cia.keepingscientologyworking.htm

Too bad smoking has been made a bad thing by the evil psychs.

Oddly, I put the T in a different place and saw 'John Hurt'
must be the V connection

Some people enjoy being deluded

^^^^^ Jean, I hate to break the news to you, you look like an old OT8 hag now, sweetie.....KSW, ARC, your IAS 'Donation' is late, Bitch.....ML.....Ron

P. S. As you know, I'm busy doing more errrrr 'Research' in an exteriorized state on the higher OT levels in the outer reaches of the Van Allen Belt now, whoa I was almost hit by a freight train on Venus last week.......

My Science of the Mind, imean Religion really works and it helps people like you believe total absurdities.........

You OT8's are so Theta and the only hope for mankind, now back to that 'Donation', Cough it up bitch, dayum.....

WLYB (Who loves Ya Baby), ML (More Loot), Ron

Bet they wish they didn't coerced all those SO women to get abortions now. They killed off potential new members.

^^This point has been on my mind alot since Reitman pointed out that Scientology is essentially new age fundamentalism.

Fundies in other genres of belief system, are always BIG on on the go forth and multiply - grow your own horde of believers, rah rah.

Scilons definitely screwed up that longevity safety net, in lieu of greed, bigtime.

For real... good point. I guess since Miscavige ordered the forced abortions, he must not have expected needing a next generation. Cue the blow drill.

This is deeply entrenched in Hubbard scriptures, and one of the reasons why his "Admin tech" is bullshit: The requirement to make your stats every week and punishment if you do not has the inevitable consequence that any organisation applying Hubbard tech will only focus on short-term goals instead of long-term goals.
No surprise there, but yes, I was thinking the same thing as you were thinking about Sea Org and children.

There is a bit of a misapprehension with regard to this abortion thing. It only applies to the Sea Org. The Sea Org was never a significant number of people. Public Scientologists and org and mission staff can breed like rabbits as far as Miscavige is concerned, although they tend not to too much as kids cost a lot of money to bring up and that get in the way of Bridge Progress, IAS donations and Ideal Morge fund raisers. even if they don't fund third level education for them it being cheaper and less hassel to donate your troublesome teenagers to the Sea Org.

Agreed. And good point.

Yes but it is these children that would eventually become the most radical, die-hard kool-aid drinkers, most likely to join the Sea org when their parents are in. They know no other life.
I know it is cruel, but from their point of view, and given how young children are when they join the sea org, it would be an investment, that paid off after 14 years.

John sounds like a nut! "If we wernt doing something very right we wouldn't be attacked"??? I guess by that logic Rapist and Murderers are doing something right.

But it is nice to see that they are reading the WOG news, even if they don't like it.

I also love how they refer to Debbie's email as hate email? She blathers on about how great Scientology is and LRH but takes issue with over charging and that is HATE? These idiots are incapable of seeing it as anything else. They then go on to say they are not brainwashed! LOL Who ever found this, thank you. It really nails a cult mentality on the head.

[quote="Xenu Is Lord, post: 2009695, member: 33654"]John sounds like a nut! "If we went doing something very right we wouldn't be attacked"??? I guess by that logic Rapist and Murderers are doing something right.

But it is nace to see that they are reading the WOG news, even if they don't like it.[/quote]

Good point!

Yes, sadly and aggravatingly so. More frustrating is that this is in reference to $cientology, the organization. As a $cientology individual (oops, that's an oxymoron) if you are being attacked it is because you pulled it in. And, you pulled it in because of your own overt actions.

May be stretching the point a bit, but the sentiment is identical.



It is heartbreaking video.

THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THE CULT MEMBERS SPEAK! Man that tells you a lot about how Hubbard used the same type of brainwashing tools as the Nazi's. There is one big difference tough here than in that film. There are no youth in Scientology just aging Volkssturm.

DM screwed it up, and he knew what we was doing. When food is scarce, some animals will eat their young.
On the other hand, LRH loved his babbies and showered them with attention, seeing them for the valuable resources they were.

http://www.carolineletkeman.org/c/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Flag_Pers_Order_13661.jpg
http://www.carolineletkeman.org/c/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/FO_0354.jpg
http://www.carolineletkeman.org/c/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/FO_1287.jpg
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In b4 Godwin.......

OTOH, The Messenger Thang.....

Hubbard certainly knew the value of deluded, young, power-hungry messengers, especially 13 to 15 year old girls who made up the bulk of the 'Commodore's' Messenger Organisation.

L. Ron Hubbard may very well be worthy of an exception to Godwin's Law, the child-abusing prick, pathological liar and conman that dear leader was.

Hubbard's Commodore's Messenger Organisation in and of itself was child-abuse, imho.

Not to mention 4 year old Derek Greene who was sentenced by LRH for the crime of chewing on a Telex in 1968 to 48 hours of torture in the pitch black, foul chain lockers of his former cow transport/pride of the LRH Navy, The Apollo......

Google: Commodore's Messenger Organisation

Google: L. Ron Hubbard / Child Abuse

i agree with ackerland completely on this,

mentioning anything to kool-aid-drinkers, anything at all no matter how insignificant or how important that they themselves "have no reallity on" would be the very best method to stop said email being read any further. anyone bitching that the email didn't contain this or that has a fundamental MU regarding the mindfuck

complete mindfuck is complete. besides which, how long would an email have to be if it included all the crimes committed by Scientology?

It would be pretty long http://www.cifs.org.au/declaration.php

This is what scares me about my siblings and their kids all still trapped, I love them all and I know that they'd turn on me and each other due to Hubbard's mindfuck. I pretend to be 'handled' after a prior disconnection many years ago, (Cowardly I know, but I've seen and felt the damage disconnection has done and those in my family that are out still have great relationships with them, don't get to see em often, they being busy with saving the planet 80 hours a week and all......

I will fight L.Ron Hubbard's despicable controlling cult til I draw my last breath, using compassion, ridicule, lulz, sadness, whatever it takes......

They recruit the children of publics these days, apparently. If they still did that which they say they don't but they also never did so how can they say "we don't do that any more?"

Sure there are. We hear of orgs being run by teenaged second gen clams. We hear of people going in only to be advised by some kid who can't even grow a 'stache yet.
There are many young spotted outside HGB, as well as some geezers for whom it's too late. I wonder if Suri will join the SO...

If I were a scammer and an admired, well known Scientologist who wanted to try making money as an independent Scientology auditor, I would do what Debbie Cook has done. It is possible that what she has done is a self serving scam.

fify (i think)

You read my mind. I bet that's why he joined the cult. Couldn't have been easy for him growing up with a last name that rhymes with Turd.

Tommy Davis: "This is how the internet twists and turns things, there's no such thing as disconnection in Scientology."


We miss Tommy......

The Walls are crumbling.......

wwhd...what would herro dew?