Discussion in 'News and Current Events' started by DodoTheLaser, Dec 31, 2011.
Just received this answer from Debbie to my support mail:
I believe her when she says that.
I think her mail is making a bigger impact than the responses from those vocal Scientologists we've seen so far, and even the fact that many of them are disconnecting on facebook, might suggest. What we're seeing are the answers of the most hard-core, indoctrinated, staff and OSA goons, who have everything to lose, not the common public.
So while the common public disconnects, it does so fully aware that they have no other choice but to, for the sake of staying under the radar for now. They know how repressive the Scientology organisation is and will want to try to check out who's with them before they make another move. Because they know, do anything wrong and they will lose their family or much more, they are paranoid about whom to trust and whom not. That's because of Hubbard's suppressive system of writing up KRs on each other.
Debbie is the only obvious "Terminal" they can really trust in this. That's why I believe the majority of people in agreement with her are intimidated, but open to her reasoning.
That's one ugly som B
ITA. While an open rebellion would be great for the lulz, scilons who allow themselves the time to stew this one over while the dust settles is the course that will eventually yield the best results. If you permit the analogy, firefighters have (relatively) no problem putting out an open flame, it's the embers between the walls that are treacherous.
I hope my ex was one of the recipients.
I sent WBM a message when it was first breaking, to the tune of, DC would be a great hook for KR, an anchor interview if not the anchor interview of the piece. But...also surmised that she wouldn't be ready for a while, as she would likely consider WBM an SP for at least a little while. Subsequent reports seem to confirm that (un-friending Mark after initially allowing him on, etc.). This has been a roller-coaster of a week for DC - I'm getting the impression that she didn't have a clue of the shit-storm she would stir up, and her emotions, thoughts and opinions are likely ping-ponging daily, hourly even. It's going to be a while, perhaps months, before she settles into a stable post-CofS life, whatever that turns out to be. If she ever sits in front of Mark's camera, I'm betting it won't be for a least a year, and I doubt WBM is going to hold up KR's release just to wait on her.
Not trying to give an impression that I have the slightest clue of what's in DC's mind, or WBM's, or that I have any influence on WBM's plans. Just idly speculating, in lieu of any real new news on this front.
Skip Press says it best on Debbie's predictament... it's only a matter of time before she wakes up from the delusion..
"THERE IS NO TECH. It's all made up by Hubbard or stolen from other places. Dianetics is nothing more than abreaction that was developed by Freud and Breuer and abandoned. Debbie Cook is doing what ALL former high-ranking Scientologists do upon leaving.
When they reach out to other Scientologists, they make sure to state their "ranking" such as what OT levels they finished, certificates they gained, ranks they held in the Sea Org. That's a way of convincing themselves that - as in Cook's case - they WASTED decades of their lives on b.s. and they're trying to make it OK in their mind.
Follow LRH? You mean, the "super intellect" who died in a trailer in Creston, CA screaming at unseen disembodied space alien "body thetans" he thought were attacking him? Debbie Cook ,- this is your life."
ANYONE who is connected to this woman by the end of today is either a clueless wog or an SP with an Evil Purpose(tm).
are we taking bets yet on SP Declare delivery date?
They don't give them out anymore. My bet is Debbie will hear of it, but never actually see it for herself.
I'll take Feb 1 or 2. (OSA trying to take the heat off the Eastgate hearing.)
I hope she gets to the point where she can say this before all her contacts change their email addys.
A NEW LETTER FROM DEBBIE COOK
Here is the text of the letter former high-ranking Scientology leader Debbie Cook released to the Tampa Bay Times.
As long as some of us have family stuck in the mire, it is our concern. That's all. Well, not quite, there is the fact that $cn is tax-free in the US, so we are subsidizing this cancer upon the world.
Some interesting insights on what's flying around in the wake of Debbie's letter that is thick enough the indie camp is catching wind of it, from the possibly helpful advice blog:
THANK YOU, DEBBIE COOK
That quote reminds me of Rex Fowler's wife talking about his OT7 briefcase after he shot himself. About how she needed it back RIGHT FUCKING NOW but the police should absolutely not look inside because it contains TOP SECRET religious documents that are SUPER IMPORTANT but not at all important to the police and they should totally not read them.
I'm wondering if this includes her tormenters in the RPF, or has selective amnesia set in?
She may feel that RPF hazing is not policy, and it should be done as Ron did?
Hate to say it but it reads like an Independent manufactured "success story". Comments on Marty's blog are seldom truthful.
it aint Marty's blog. and altho the same camp, this blog does put out alot of useful & well supported leak-type info on a regular basis.
I admit I am a bit confused over Cook. She has been in a very long time. Not only must she be aware of all the abuses, she, herself, has been abused. Quite possibly she's been connected to other big issues such as Lisa McPherson. This woman KNOWS where bodies are buried. BUT the only thing she spoke out against is the regging...like somehow the money is most important...Debbie might say no, stopping the regging is most important so people can buy services and save their thetans. She has to know, if she's really read Hubbard, that he is the source of the abusive policies in the same way The Midget is the source of the over regging policies. This leads me to believe that Debbie Cook was/is/and will continue to be in agreement with the ABUSES that were developed and authorized by Hubbard, whom she highly esteems. Instead she is speaking out against regging aka Miss Cabbage... Once again it comes down to the money....she is complaining about MONEY when people are imprisoned at Gold and most of them facing some sort of abuse....just like she did.....but...it's really all about the money.
She did exactly the right thing with her letter. This was a message directed at the general Scientology public. Most have "no reality", as Scientologists would say, on the more severe abuses that we know about very well. It is therefore tactically unwise to include any of these in her letter. It is good that she only used examples for "out-tech" that people could observe for themselves. This makes her letter so much more powerful.
Please, look at the big picture.
abuse/money...abuse/money...big picture noted.
Insane regging, the dismantling of the structure (RPFing all excs), orgs to nowhere, revising the sales materials, and all but came right out and said DM is an SP ... I thought it kicked ass. It was the perfect storm for making a doubt formula.
Thank you for making my point concerning "the big picture". You don't see it.
AH, no you're not getting it. What has more heart appeal? Debbie confessing tearfully (and hopefully sincerely) for the abuses SHE participated in, and telling her own story of abuse...SHE HAS to know that children are abused, no schooling, long days, she has to know all this stuff, she cannot NOT know...and yet she keeps silent on that (it's LRON policy) but chooses to talk about regging...full grown adults no less. Sorry. the more I watch this unfold the more I am just stunned that of all the things WRONG with clamology, the one thing that is least wrong is that full grown adults are harassed into giving money.... No, sorry, the big picture is the HUMAN rights abuses that are happening right now, and directed at CHILDREN. The most helpless members of our society. SURE regging sucks, but those are adults....who always have a choice...how many times do we sit here and watch people say they need to "route out" at their own financial expense of course...ADULTS....you know that you CAN choose to flip the switch and free yourself as an ADULT...kids..no such chance. So yeah, call me small minded..but the woman is not ever going to admit (like R&R) what she knows because she is culpable and responsible. Thus she will and can only complain about the money. MONEY MONEY MONEY, one of LCON's favorite subjects...still is.
You choose your battles, and so will she. She sees things by doing them on a gradient, and has begun to speak. Best of all, she's doing it as a scilon "in good standing" - which is the best way to reach them. She struck a major blow. I advise popcorn.
Better yet how about organizing an insider campaign to oust the dwarf using hidden cameras and other things to catch abuses on tape? Not even the FBI could ignore it then.
I see her avoidance of the more dangerous issues as a very clear sign of where her heart is. Even a clam in good standing should have at least SOME repugnance for the abuse that was happening "under her nose" ...I can see why she'd not say anything as it is possible a good deal of abuse not only took place on her watch, in her organization, it was also quite possibly at her direction.
Carry on, nothing to see...stop assraping clams for Ideal Orgs and let them spend their money on the tech...in the mean time, carry on abusing children...we're saving the planet.
^^ Anon, of course you are right - but all these abuses are helping to clear the planet. </cult-think>
The regular joe scio in the cult needs to be given something to listen to - on-source criticism of the practices of current management that are undeniable, and given by a scio in good standing. Mission accomplished.
The abuses are being addressed elsewhere with a different audience - eg WBM's Knowledge Report, Tony Ortega etc. Look at the recent opening of the floodgates in the general media.
Debbie is appealing to the blinkered cultist using the tech.
^^ I do see your point...but I wonder....how many execs who actually perpetrated criminal abuse will ever be held culpable, it's discouraging to say the least. PRO TIP NEXT fLEEING APOSTATE. fucking get it on tape! The FBI has mud in their ears and sticks up their asses...inb4homelandsecurityarrestsme4makingfunofFBI.
Hey, give her a break, she looks like Gilbert Gottfried. Her life is already miserable.
I think of battered wife syndrome
^^ If the FBI gets to lift the lid on this stinking can of worms, its going to expose a jellywrestle of corrupt officials, bribery, infiltration, past and present right up top the IRS, State Department and even the President's office.
I think they're all hoping the whole issue will just DIAF.
Michael Pattinson writes:
As an OT8 I am happy to see Debbie revealing truth about David Miscavige's severe and continual squirrel activities while pretending to be the model of KSW#1. For me what Debbie reports rings true, and I had very similar observations. I can relate to what level of bravery it takes for Debbie to clearly report this level and volume of blatant abuses by DM. I knew Debbie fairly well through the many years I spent at Flag, and she always came across as a real embodiment of ethics presence, grace and sanity.
I congratulate her on her honesty and integrity in making these hideous abuses public so that members can finally read the truth about Scientology's split personality under DM. There is more truth on the internet for Scientologists to learn, and it will bring them comfort to know it, after initial shock of how much they have been lied to, and that is an understandable reaction. I wish all honest Scientologists the truth revealed that I attained. Thank you Debbie for being so courageous.
started checking the commenter from earlier
of this batch of 10
6 have disconnected
2 have FB security setting preventing the checking of friends lists
2 have remained on Debbies friends list
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