Dear Enturbulation

editordrone21 · Jun 23, 2008

Re: Dear Enturbulation

Hubbard-Telescope;371103 said:

Critics get banned and their criticisms get locked and deleted? And here I was thinking I was being quite polite and rational. O___O Maybe this is a new rule I missed. Aren't we supposed to question things we think aren't right?

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

CONCERN TROLL ALERT

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

twelve;375013 said:

Many people here are mundanes picked up at raids and YouFoundTheCard, not webbers. They'll get used to it eventually.

And no, it's not an op. It's just a bit of drama that is now over, and that certain people feel the need to extend.

Oh, I'm glad it's over. I was reading the first few posts of this thread and thinking, "Holy fucking shit, either we have the worst fucking newbie pieces of whining shit ever or we're being totally black opped." I mean seriously, look at this shit I quoted above. What the fuck, this is like a textbook 101 concern troll. "Enturbulation is corrupt and its mods snort coke off the bare flat chests of 14 year olds? Maybe this is a new rule I missed. O----O 8===D~~~O:> We should question things we think aren't right? Right? That means I will make 90000 posts alleging total bullshit and dropping concern trolls everywhere to totally undermine shit and suck in gullible newbies and cry censorship like a fucking faggot bleeding from thousands of cockstab wounds if the mods clamp down on my rampant shitsploding on their forums"

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRAGE

Consensus · Jun 23, 2008

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^^^ Hubbard-Telescope has had a lot of good input and maintained exactly the dispassionate tone to allow these issues to move towards resolution rather than escalate towards disaster. I won't be criticizing them. In any case, most of this has been hashed out, so it's kinda silly at this point to start accusing people of bawwwing. And while I'm sure OSA is watching this an trying to find a way to exacerbate it, they did not initiate it - and they've completely failed to take advantage of it.

Anon123456;374924 said:

lol wut? two mods who know full well the hack that is in place? ill give him a pass cuz he pays the bills.

I honestly at that point had no idea who that guy was or that drama was goin' down. I just made a stupid comment that ended up being rather unfortunate.

I did know about the miserable users hack, though I had nothing to do with implementing it, never put anyone on it, and didn't know details of how it worked. But yeah, I just made a stupid post in that thread. No conspiracy there.

Smoof · Jun 23, 2008

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themadhair;372065 said:

Can we have constructive suggestions nao please? We all want transparency, accountability and actions taken that reflect user consensus - but those are vague ephemeral concepts that sound nice and dandy but are a complete nightmare to realise in practice.

With that in mind some attempts at real actionable suggestions:

1) TD back - nao. Because, just because.
2) A forum set up where the purpose is for mods/admins to specifically request community input.
3) Drawing up a code of ethics, or a least a job description, for mods. This would serve multiple purposes. It would give the mods more clarification on how and when they can act on their initiative and when they need to consult. It would also help the users of this site more fully understand the powers and purposes of the mods. Sometimes by putting something in writing, even if it is mostly a symbolic and suggestive rather than absolute, can help focus things.
4) The transparency issue could be solved at a stroke by opening up the mod forums, but this could potentially cause more trouble than it solves. Maybe regular updates from the mods made into the forum I suggested in point 2 with an overview on decisions made and topics discussed might suffice. At the moment there does seem to be a disconnect with the adminstration/modding of the site and its userbase which really does need to be addressed sooner rather than later.
5) One of the points of contention raised against the thunderdome was with reference to excessive trolling and dox dropping - not entirely sure why the culprits can't be b& for such as this seems, at least to me, to be a fairly common sense issue. A giant warning message in the dome and the boot for those who ignore it would surely work.
6) The stealth posting has been resolved already - is it possible that a similar solution could be introduced for stealth moving? Mostly moving posts is self-explanatory and obvious but codifying it and making such moves more visible can't be a bad idea. Maybe replace the first post moved in the original thread with a link to the forum it was moved to?
7) The chants of "stay on target" on this forum are annoying and a pathetic excuse for an argument. This thread doesn't have 20 pages of posts because it is off target - it has so many posts because there are issues to be worked out and people feel passionately about it. At this point anyone wanting to post a "stay on target" notice is helping derail what is an important thread. Sometimes things need to blow up or break horribly before they can be fixed. A thread such as this may appear to be pointless but such airing threads where people can get grievances off their collective chests can be of extraordinary value - maybe such airing should be a regular occurrence?
8) ?????
9) Profit?

This

Fix the drama and lets back to fighting the real enemy.

Anon123456 · Jun 23, 2008

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editordrone21;375023 said:

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

CONCERN TROLL ALERT

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

GET THE FUCK OUT, FAGGOT

um excuse me , that was impolite. are you saying that man is a homosexual?

oh no he ditnt girl!!!! mmm hhhhmmm.

madsuibhne · Jun 23, 2008

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Anon3Mouse;371555 said:

Still, how do you hold LE, who has physical access to the server, accountable?

Buy razorblades and nominate him to be an hero?

VictoireFlamel · Jun 23, 2008

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Smoof;375034 said:

This

Fix the drama and lets back to fighting the real enemy.

Smoof!

Anon123456 · Jun 23, 2008

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Consensus;375029 said:

I honestly at that point had no idea who that guy was or that drama was goin' down. I just made a stupid comment that ended up being rather unfortunate.

I did know about the miserable users hack, though I had nothing to do with implementing it, never put anyone on it, and didn't know details of how it worked. But yeah, I just made a stupid post in that thread. No conspiracy there.

all good homie, you seem to be an alright dude. like i said , miserable user hack isnt exactly groundbreaking or catostrophic. just kinda weird in the context of anon.

twelve · Jun 23, 2008

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editordrone21;375023 said:

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

CONCERN TROLL ALERT

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Oh, I'm glad it's over. I was reading the first few posts of this thread and thinking, "Holy fucking shit, either we have the worst fucking newbie pieces of whining shit ever or we're being totally black opped." I mean seriously, look at this shit I quoted above. What the fuck, this is like a textbook 101 concern troll. "Enturbulation is corrupt and its mods snort coke off the bare flat chests of 14 year olds? Maybe this is a new rule I missed. O----O 8===D~~~O:> We should question things we think aren't right? Right? That means I will make 90000 posts alleging total bullshit and dropping concern trolls everywhere to totally undermine shit and suck in gullible newbies and cry censorship like a fucking faggot bleeding from thousands of cockstab wounds if the mods clamp down on my rampant shitsploding on their forums"

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRAGE

Actually, HT's been around for quite a while, and was a substantial part of the solution to this bit of drama.

You, on the other hand, should go and RAGE in /td/.

editordrone21 · Jun 23, 2008

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I don't really care what HT's "posting history" or "posting career" is like. I'm from an anonymous board and I tend to read what people write and take that at face value. You might try looking for some bulletin board somewhere that generally adopts anonymous posting! It's novel!

A concern troll is a concern troll, no matter who is doing it.

twelve;375056 said:

You, on the other hand, should go and RAGE in /td/.

I'm polishing up this piece of INTERNET RAGE copypasta which I like to think encapsulates the whole affair nicely:

I care deeply about this thread and I hope you fuckers keep posting about this deeply important shit until you die at your keyboard covered in filth and vomit and tears as you shit bodily fluids out of every orifice to express you incredible outrage at these events which are so fucking important that even now your sphincter jaws and fists are balling up in little white hot spasms of impotent rage because holy fuck this is such a big issue that the world has to fucking know RIGHT FUCKING NOW AND WE HAVE TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT UNTIL IT IS RESOLVED AND IF IT DOESNT GET RESOLVED I WILL STAND UP FROM THIS COMPUTER AND GO OUTSIDE AND FIND A DOG AND KICK IT TO DEATH I WILL KICK A FUCKING DOG TO DEATH IF THIS THUNDERDOME SHIT ISNT RESOLVED DO YOU HEAR ME ENTURBULATION DO YOU HEAR ME I WILL KICK A FUCKING DOG TO DEATH DO YOU SEE WHAT YOU ARE DRIVING ME TO

twelve · Jun 23, 2008

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spacko: Mind if I post /thread now?

anonnews · Jun 23, 2008

Demonizing Stu & Others

This is not meant to be a witch-hunt thread, and I am not starting this thread to trash those who are outspoken.That said, "you" shut the rest out (you all know who you are, and I'm not trying to attack), and after all of today's drama it is "our" turn to speak out. This is meant for the rest of us who quietly watch this site and do our part - be it large or small.
If all of you quietly reading this do not speak up, then quit complaining. I pretty much read what was happening, and quietly participated here. I would make an occasional post agreeing with someone. Other times I would present an idea. Most times I would stay quiet because I was interested in what others might say. Bottom line: I would "speak up" if I had an opinion. Then we got to the point where egofaggotry & drama because of it got way out of hand. Then I started speaking up.
KNOCK IT THE FUCK OFF. You east coast fags, fuck you. You west coast fags, fuck you even more. East & West: OOOOO....we're all so cool because we've got the greatest protests. Typical amerifag shit. NY & LA. Nobody else matters. Oh yeah, let's not forget about all-important SF. You all have a fucking superiority complex, so knock it off. YOU are the arrogant assholes that will hurt this movement. DC, you amazingly manage to stick to the program!

NOW...You (the regular loudmouths on here who, BTW, have your own clique going on here): let the rest of us speak & present ideas. Yes, you do keep some bad elements out of here, but you scare away a lot more of the good. As an example, I will wait here for the inevitable trolling that will come from the list of names that the admins/mods had. NOTE TO TROLLS: I happen to agree with you on many points, and also fully support what you did today/last night. I disagree with arrogance as much as drama/baaawww faggotry. Let's get back to work, huh?

That's my opinion, so have at it or support it.

Oh, and for Stu? I think he recognized his mistake and apologized as a gentleman. Leave him alone. At least he can admit he made an error in judgement.

r3x · Jun 23, 2008

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Consensus;375029 said:

I honestly at that point had no idea who that guy was or that drama was goin' down. I just made a stupid comment that ended up being rather unfortunate.

I did know about the miserable users hack, though I had nothing to do with implementing it, never put anyone on it, and didn't know details of how it worked. But yeah, I just made a stupid post in that thread. No conspiracy there.

It's no problem, Consensus. FWIW, I made a lot of stupid posts, and probably deserved to be banned outright.

Maybe I'll just lurk for a while.

SenatorXenu · Jun 23, 2008

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twelve;375056 said:

Actually, HT's been around for quite a while, and was a substantial part of the solution to this bit of drama.

You, on the other hand, should go and RAGE in /td/.

THIS

gb2 gaia if you want to rage and leave the people that are trying to make things better alone.

also, if you want to talk post history, I've been on this board longer than all of you fags

twelve · Jun 23, 2008

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^^^ Hubbard-Telescope has had a lot of good input and maintained exactly the dispassionate tone to allow these issues to move towards resolution rather than escalate towards disaster. I won't be criticizing them. In any case, most of this has been hashed out, so it's kinda silly at this point to start accusing people of bawwwing. And while I'm sure OSA is watching this an trying to find a way to exacerbate it, they did not initiate it - and they've completely failed to take advantage of it.

This, faggot. I don't think you get it; HT ENDED THE DRAMA.

Spacko, I'm really sorry.

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Once again, I apologize, Spacko. I'm simply not convinced that this thread is still accomplishing anything.

SenatorXenu · Jun 23, 2008

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/thread plox

Obligatory Toast · Jun 23, 2008

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Anon123456;375038 said:

um excuse me , that was impolite. are you saying that man is a homosexual?

oh no he ditnt girl!!!! mmm hhhhmmm.

For anyone who doesn't know, or couldn't fucking tell, HT is a chick.

Also:

/thread

VictoireFlamel · Jun 23, 2008

Re: Demonizing Stu & Others

This should be in the big thread. I know it's long, and you want your voice heard, but enough threads. I can merge, lock, or you can copypasta and I'll delete. You decide.

VictoireFlamel · Jun 23, 2008

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editordrone21;375067 said:

I don't really care what HT's "posting history" or "posting career" is like. I'm from an anonymous board and I tend to read what people write and take that at face value. You might try looking for some bulletin board somewhere that generally adopts anonymous posting! It's novel!

A concern troll is a concern troll, no matter who is doing it.

I'm polishing up this piece of INTERNET RAGE copypasta which I like to think encapsulates the whole affair nicely:

I care deeply about this thread and I hope you fuckers keep posting about this deeply important shit until you die at your keyboard covered in filth and vomit and tears as you shit bodily fluids out of every orifice to express you incredible outrage at these events which are so fucking important that even now your sphincter jaws and fists are balling up in little white hot spasms of impotent rage because holy fuck this is such a big issue that the world has to fucking know RIGHT FUCKING NOW AND WE HAVE TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT UNTIL IT IS RESOLVED AND IF IT DOESNT GET RESOLVED I WILL STAND UP FROM THIS COMPUTER AND GO OUTSIDE AND FIND A DOG AND KICK IT TO DEATH I WILL KICK A FUCKING DOG TO DEATH IF THIS THUNDERDOME SHIT ISNT RESOLVED DO YOU HEAR ME ENTURBULATION DO YOU HEAR ME I WILL KICK A FUCKING DOG TO DEATH DO YOU SEE WHAT YOU ARE DRIVING ME TO

Skeptic? (The copypasta, not you).. Closing thread. It's descended into hogwash, attacks, swill, and a time sink. Archived for greatness.

PS. When LE mans up and posts a response, if he does it here, he can unlock and bump.

ankhensenamen · Jun 23, 2008

Re: Demonizing Stu & Others

I agree the number of threads just keeps the drama alive.

Just something for ya guys to think about.
I once got a really good piece of advice in my mid twenties, when a co-worker/friend told me to quit dwelling on bad things that happened. Like a bad proformance review or something negative that someone might say.

I use to just dwell on stuff and kept beating dead horses, it was annoying and non productive.

What my friend told me was if I did not stop dwelling on shit then she was just going to stop talking to me. She was right, ya just got to learn you lessons and move on.
It was advice that served me well, thought I might pass it on.

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