David Love: Cruise and Travolta Narconon Ship Sinking Fast

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  1. The Wrong Guy Member

    David Love: Cruise and Travolta Narconon Ship Sinking Fast

    According to the Narconon International website, John Travolta has long been a member of the Narconon International Advisory Board, and he considers the controversial Scientology rehab, Narconon, to be the best drug treatment in the world. Tom Cruise is another advocate who promotes this strange treatment to the multitudes, and he also rants against psychiatry and pharmaceutical companies — Scientology’s number one enemy.


    The CEO of Narconon Arrowhead, Gary Smith, recently released an open letter to the media and the public. Mr. Smith states: “Following are some of the important facts that have been ignored by some of the recent reporting that the public has a right to know.”

    I could not agree more with Gary Smith, and I suggest that the public needs to know the whole truth and nothing but the truth — as follows:

    Statement by Gary Smith: “Narconon is a non-religious program, meaning it does not require a client to make any religious choices.”

    Rebuttal: Narconon is, in fact, 100% Scientology training routines and auditing sessions, as defined, governed, administered and directed by the Church of Scientology hierarchy. Narconon patients thus have absolutely no choice whatsoever while enrolled in this Scientology rehab program. If a patient does not believe in each step and does not abide by the staff’s commands to complete each task as prescribed, the patient is threatened with the ominous consequences of non-compliance.

    In a recent deposition for a lawsuit against Narconon, Professor Stephen Kent, who examined all eight Narconon Course Books, stated under oath: “There is nothing in the Narconon books that is not 100% Scientology.”

    Statement by Gary Smith: “…all of the materials pertaining to the Narconon recovery program have been completely secularized and contain no religious philosophy.”

    Rebuttal: The only secular aspect of Narconon is its expansion into the secular world, which means increasing the “raw meat” in the shop and getting more persons to do Scientology Light Objectives, auditing, and other training routines.

    Statement by Gary Smith: “Narconon Arrowhead is certified to offer non-medical detox services by the ODMHSAS…” (Oklahoma Department of Mental Health)

    Rebuttal: What Mr. Smith states above is correct in the sense that the state has certified the non-medical detox, but this ONLY applies to the withdrawal portion of the Narconon program, which lasts approximately 3-10 days out of the entire 3-6 month program. David Love has reviewed documents and interviewed several people about this certification and identified the following two important issues:

    1 – Upon arrival, patients are routed for blood tests to measure various factors, including liver enzyme counts. A high count would be a contraindication for the “drug-bomb” vitamin regime involving high doses of niacin, which is toxic to persons with any liver disease or liver abnormalities. Although it can take 4 or 5 days to obtain the results of these blood tests, patients receive the vitamin treatment immediately on the first day — a potentially dangerous practice.

    2 - Many patients are lured into Narconon by alleged fraud and misrepresentation of Narconon’s success rate. Therefore, patients are intentionally misled by expressed or implied untruths, and their right to choose a legitimate treatment is impeded. Moreover, patients are forced to sign a treatment/admission contract at a time when they obviously do not have the legal capacity to form intent.

    Further investigation reveals important contradictions by Narconon executives. One of the drastic practices of the Church of Scientology is its “disconnection policy,” which is also applied at Narconon. This policy tears families apart by coercing a patient or staff member to disconnect from a spouse, child, father, mother, or anyone who could be a “Suppressive Person” (a person who speaks against Scientology).

    On July 13, 2010, the Executive Director of Narconon Trois-Rivières, Marc Bernard, told a journalist: “We all have moments of oppression in our life and we can be distracted by oppression. This is when negative things happen to us and this is why the method encourages ‘disconnection.’”

    On April 9, 2012, CBC News investigative reporter Kathy Tomlinson summarized an interview she conducted with the Director of Legal Affairs of Narconon Trois-Rivières: “He said he is a Scientologist and that Narconon uses the teachings of Scientology in its program. Ahern said he doesn't track what happens to most people after they leave the Trois-Rivières program, however, he said he only knows of three people who converted to Scientology.”

    Since the Quebec Government shut down André Ahern’s cherished 100-bed Narconon in Canada last April, this point may be moot, but if the patients are not tracked, how does Narconon calculate the patient success rate?

    Perhaps Mr. Ahern only knows of three patients who joined the Church of Scientology as members, but a high percentage of patients are recruited onto Narconon’s staff at the center or join as Field Staff Members who operate fake referral websites and receive up to $3,000 for each patient they send to Narconon.

    Tom Cruise and John Travolta might want to take another look at their sinking Narconon ship before it disappears completely and leaves the successful actors grasping onto a handful of lies that the media are uncovering and that citizens in North America are standing tall and speaking out against.

    The stigma of addiction is dissipating and people should not be defined as addicts or alcoholics. These are human beings with an illness that is just like any other, and they must be treated as equally as persons with other serious diseases or illnesses. I suggest that, if cancer or Parkinson’s patients were dying in circumstances similar to those at Narconon Arrowhead (3 in the past 9 months), the government and health agencies would not be in slow motion over the deaths.

    Thankfully, many government and health agencies and the police are investigating the recent deaths at Narconon Arrowhead, and truth and justice shall prevail.

    - David Edgar Love

    Read the entire article here:
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  2. Tourniquet Member

    It's a work of genius to position NarCONon with Travolta and Cruise. Thanks, Dave :)
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  3. I agree. Positioning the abuses of Narconon with Travolta and Cruise guarantees that their PR team(s) will read this. They may not do anything with it, but they'll have to read it.
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  4. enorme Member

    Yeah man, the whole celebrity thing is a gas.
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  5. Intelligence Member

    Scientology Political Interference – Deputy Resigns


    Entire Article HERE:

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  6. patriot75 Member

    I completly agree, Gary!!!!
    Epic David!!! :D:D:D


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    August 29, 2012 - Fox 25 News report tonight on the new lawsuit filed against Narconon Arrowhead in Oklahoma. Several more lawsuits are pending. Four deaths at the Scientology Rehab center (three in past nine months), have initiated investigations by police, health, and other government entities.

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  8. Intelligence Member

    Kritie Allie vowed to fight to the finish? All I have to say is "This is 2012 little miss muphet
    and we'll wait for you at the finish line and give you a very special Trophy that I usually
    award to those who come in second:)

    Hope to have a Kristie Alley Examiner Article up soon - - just waiting for Dox:)

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  9. Intelligence Member

    This image is from a lengthy CSW from the President of CCHR in a City I will not name yet.
    These leaks have been on Wikileaks for some time now, but media has not yet published in
    any story or article. Going to bed now and fall asleep thinking about how to tie all this into an
    Examiner article for tomorrow:)

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  11. JohnnyRUClear Member

    At 0:30 she says "Narconon Airhead." :-D
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  12. RightOn Member

    I caught that too!!! LOL!!!!!


    and to Krusty Alien!
    In 2004, you defended a program that kills people.
    You said that "you will fight to the finish".

    Spread this shit far and wide people! Call the rags!
    Kirsty Alley supports Narconon and said in 2004, that "she will fight to the finish".

    Today NN Arrowhead has had a total of 7? deaths, has multiple pending lawsuits, people employed there are untrained medical staff, there are rampant abuses amongst it's patients and employees, they dump patients off at homeless centers and NN is administering dangerous levels of vitamins. Just to mention a very few things.
    So tell us Kirtstie, do you take back what you said in 2004? Or are you still going to "fight to the finish"?
    Won't be a very long race!
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  13. Anonymous Member

    FWIW, someone like Kirstie has no fucking idea what really goes on at NarCONon.
    Having said that, footbulletry appears to be yet another Scientology sacrament.
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  14. RightOn Member

    of course the celebs are kept in the dark. It's entheta!
    But before they go defending something, they best better look into it first. Because their careers can be greatly affected, right? oh wait.... LOL
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  15. Intelligence Member

    But-but-but,.., on the Header of the Doc, it's in big LETTERS - "CSW" - LOL :)

    And Johnny is watching me to see I Quote Verbatim:)
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  16. DeathHamster Member

    She did go to Narconon for cocaine addiction. Any bets that she got special treatment and the celebrity recruitment op?
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  17. Anonymous Member

    Fucking sedan chair, I'll bet ;)
  18. Intelligence Member

    Jon von Gunten · Top Commenter · Northwestern University Medill School of Journalilsm
    The reporter in this story employs several tricks of classic propaganda: use of emotionally loaded words, presenting neutral facts as if they were negative, and failing to tell both sides of the story.

    Everything the Narconon people talked about was completely legal and is done by everybody with any cause that's in front of any legislative body.

    One even told the other to make very sure s/he knew the actual wording of the law being cited.

    Not every teapot holds a tempest.
    Reply · Like· Follow Post · about an hour ago
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      David Love · The University of British Columbia (UBC)
      Facts are what they are and it is no secret that L. Ron Hubbard was concicted in France in abstentia to 4 years in prison and died a fugitive with a Psych drug in his system. Also, Scientology was recently convicted in France for fraud and an Appeals Court upheald the conviction in February 2012. Scientologists were convicted in the USA and the Scientology organization convicted in Canada. Facts are not propaganda - - however, I do understand your attack, considering your affiliation with the COS and the several costly courses you took, like HUBBARD KEY TO LIFE and a few others. Have a very nice day and thank you for your comment.
      Reply · Like· 2 seconds ago
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  19. DeathHamster Member

    Unlike Canada, in the USA, only individual Scientologists were convicted for Snow White activities, not the organization as a whole.
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  20. Intelligence Member

    Fixed ^^^ above - thank you:)

    David Love · The University of British Columbia (UBC)
    Correction: "The Scientology organization was convicted in Canada for Breach of Public Trust and in the United States, several high ranking Scientologists, incuding L. Ron Hubbard's wife, were convicted of crimes and sentenced to prison for 4-5 years. Charges and convictions followed a lengthy investigation after a series of infiltrations and thefts from 136 government agencies, foreign embassies and consulates, as well as private organizations critical of Scientology, carried out by Church members, in more than 30 countries; the single largest infiltration of the United States government in history with up to 5,000 covert agents.

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  21. YouSeeNothing Member

    I love how "Journalilsm" is misspelled in von Guten's title.
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  22. Tourniquet Member

    JournaLOLism, moar liek
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  23. RightOn Member

    oh what a surprise! Jon von Gunten?
    is a Scientologist
    he is also all over WISE.
    Listed as a celebrity and has been on the Freewinds

    Jon does an excellent job of telling eveyrone exactly what COS is all about and how they operate. LOL

    "The reporter in this story employs several tricks of classic propaganda: use of emotionally loaded words, presenting neutral facts as if they were negative, and failing to tell both sides of the story.":

    Jon also is a Patron and Founding patron
    Founding Patrons are those who became Patrons by the IAS 20th Anniversary (October/November 2004).
    Patrons have donated US $40,000.
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  27. Intelligence Member

    If they're pissed and upset with me today over the leaked email
    article, DM's gonna be smackn' heads when I get the next one up.
    Will take some time though - - must fire up a different laptop to
    find the Dox I've been saving for a rainy-day.

    "Guess what? It's pouring rain" :)

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  30. YouSeeNothing Member

    Jack Potter is von Gunten's boss. Owns Jack Potter Marketing. And from the looks of their portfolio, may be responsible for a lot of scilon marketing. Their portfolio looks extremely dated, no blatant scilon clients--but i'll research. Do we know who handles the marketing creative for Narconon?
  31. Tourniquet Member

    Leave it to a Scientologist to hide behind an academic cloaking to appear authoritative.
    This is exactly what Hubbard would do, and leaves no doubt as to the leanings of the writer.
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  33. Intelligence Member

    Excerpts from the next leaked emails I'm working with will tie, France, Canada, England and the USA into
    an interesting story. If "THEY" only knew what they don't know"

    Sorry for the tease. But I LOVE to do it - LOL :)
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  36. RightOn Member

    Dont' forget his wife Karen Von Gunten
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    I'm looking to see if there's a connection between his firm and Narconon. Or do they handle all creative (logos, copy, fliers, etc.) out of CoS or a know scilon agency? Somebody has to creating that stuff, the Narconon facilities list advertising fees in their 990s.
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  39. Anonymous Member

    moar on the net about Jon

    VGIS Main Account Tujunga, CA 91042Von Gunten Srvcs DBA Grid Systems . Tujunga, CA 91042
    VGIS Main Account
    10951 Hillhaven Ave
    Tujunga, CA 91042

    Jon Von Gunten is a Scientologist.This is the address for Jon Von Gunten, of "von Gunten, Inc." (as listed on the 1999 Investor List.) VGIS stands for Von Gunten Inc. Services, otherwise known as GRID Systems. This is a WISE company (as of 1999) at this address:

    G.R.I.D. Systems
    Jon Von Gunten
    10951 Hillhaven Ave.
    Tujunga, CA 91042-1417
    United States
    (1) 818-352-8000
    (1) 818-951-1649

    Jon Von Gunten has an OS page.

    He was a TNX member, and was also involved in sending out email encouraging Scns to go see the John Travolta bomb Battlefield Earth on its opening weekend.

    In addition to VGIS/GRID Systems, Jon also handles Publicity and Public relations for
    "Jon von Gunten Publicity and Public Relations Mr. Von Gunten is a skilled journalist, writer, and publicist specializing in high technology and business to business communications. Because of his journalistic leanings he has an extraordinary skill in booking great press coverage. Editors love him too because he can do most of the work and write it in a fashion that is compatible with their style and editorial needs.

    "We've worked with too many PR teams that really don't understand what is needed and waste a lot of time and resources. Jon is one of two out of hundreds that meets and exceeds our demands. Clients love him" Jack Potter Senior Marketing Analyst"

    Other Scientologists are involved in this venture, including attorney Steven L. Hayes, the infamous Scn attorney who purchased the name and property of old, real CAN after driving them into bankruptcy in order to set up the new, Scn front Cult Awareness Network. Steve Hayes, unashamed of his activities, also has an OS page.<scilon link

    Jon von Gunten wrote to complain about the way a group of Catholics discussed Scn:

    "A recent HLI press release inaccurately characterized my church, the Church of Scientology. Our moral code is freely available at <scilon link
    We Scientologists believe in an infinite God, the sanctity of life, a monogamous family, no drugs, hard work, unimpeachable fair play, and delivering what you promise (or more) in business. You have all noticed how drugs, dishonesty, criminality and illiteracy are strangling once-vital nations. Scientology reaches out with highly effective anti-drug efforts on six continents, criminal rehabilitation groups in prisons, inner-city literacy projects, and volunteer ministers when disasters strike. Earth's religions must form inter-religious alliances against the forces of chaos. United we stand... Jon von Gunten 2000-06-13"

    He also wrote to the New Times LA to attack old CAN () and to the LA Times to talk about Scn beach-cleaning

    GRID Systems was apparently involved with QuickSell Commerce, perhaps in a PR context. He was a 1961 graduate of Antilles High School.

    Jon Van Gunten is quite the OSA public it seems, he was involved with SPL, or the Scientology Parishioners League:

    "Defend your religion in the media. Have your spiritual beliefs been slurred by mass media? Scientology Parishioners League (SPL) defends Scientology and other religions pilloried in print or electronic media. When media is merely misinformed, we document the truth. Letters to the editor are SPL's primary tool. Occasionally we phone in "live" to a talk show. It's not time-consuming because we ask only a few people to respond to each incident. PR seminars available. For more information, contact Jon von Gunten, Director of Operations, SPL, or call 818-352-3500."
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  40. raboon Member

    Celebrity Death Camp, awesome.

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