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DAMNING NEWS CO$ CAUGHT IN HUGE LIE WITH NEW VIDEOS ON CO$.ORG - READ!!!

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  1. shadowchaser Member

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    they probably fucked up but it's still on youtube.

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/showthread.php?t=5224
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    This thread's a stand-up example of one way we're so effective. It's very cool the way one of us can mention something, if it's got legs, others will pick up on it, doing as little or as much as they feel able to on any particular day. Slowly but surely, it gets chipped away at and built into a much bigger whole.

    Something which would really enhance this, would be if enturb had it's own wiki or thread-based mini-wiki. I know that there's partyvan, etc. but this would make it less of a natural addition to what enturb already provides, and my guess is it would be used less as a result.

    With this thread it would be very handy to have say Plups and Dubber's letters there ready for copypasta-ing; a neatly hyperlinked listing of people to be contacted, together with the info that's currently known about them. Things that were definitively "in the bag" could be made mod-secure, for safety.

    Gonna post this as a site suggestion I think.
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    Found this yesterday, posted it on page 6

    Professor, Center for Sociological Studies, The College of Mexico

    Alvarado Mendoza, Arturo
    Professor, Center for Sociological Studies, The College of Mexico, Pedregal, Mexico
    Research: Constructing the Rule of Law: Public Security, Justice and Democracy Building in Mexico
    Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Center for International Studies, Program on Human Rights and Justice, Cambridge, MA, c/o Dr. Balakrishnan Rajagopal
    September 2003 - July 2004

    No pictures though but hope that helps. Can't do much more here.

    KOA
  4. Ann O'Nymous Member

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    I support [Insert witty name here]'s idea of a wiki dedicated to output of enturbulation.

    To give another example: headcounts. I had to "hide" it on another wiki !
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    I've just tried to call Bakchich.info. Hoped to be able to speak with the person who'd written the original article, and see whether they had any unpublished info, or any more feedback from the organisations they'd contacted, as the article stated that they'd not heard back from them all when the story was run. The phone's just ringing though, so guessing they probably won't be back into work til Tuesday (Monday's a holiday in most European countries).

    I thought I'd give them a link to this thread, and offer to let them know whatever we ultimately turn up too, as they might then cover the story from a different angle, or run more on it.

    Not going to be able to do much til then anyway unfortunately, relatives here for Easter. Is Monday a holiday in the US too? (i.e. everyone shut up shop)

    Pain if it is, as this whole deal has a lot of potential.

    (1) It's pretty much certain that a good number if not a majority of the people featured won't have known that they were being used to promote Co$. At worst, many will be unhappy, at best they may choose to take various types of action.

    (2) We already know that some of these "people" are totally fake. Combining that info with any more we find, plus the info in (1), add a bit of seasoning, and it should make for a very tasty little press release, and an even more entertaining youtube video. It's certainly interesting that the "church" decided to counter some of the misconceptions about their being a fraudulent organisation...by...er...creating an extremely fraudulent video :)

    (3) Unexpected knock-ons?????
  6. mudkipstoat23 Member

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    From what I can make out of the translation, this is pretty fucking epic. Of course, Co$ didn't expect there to be public attention on the video, so nobody would be checking their credentials! PWNED!!!

    ...but I'm now trying to figure out a way of using the phrase "O NAUGHTY WORDS!!!" in a banner.
  7. spin0za Member

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    Re: the French article

    Maybe some other frenchfag translated it, but it'll be quicker to re-translate than to read 12 pages of posts to see if it has been done. Anyways, here it is (some lolcat speak added)

    A TRANSLATION, for great justice, and so on.

    *When Scientology goes to the movies, lol-itude ensues*

    A few hours ago the CoS lauched, with great publicity, a new website to promote itself. The site displays exclusivsly videos. One of them shows a whole bunch of honorable and respectable people from around the world: intellectuals, politicians, etc, who just can't refrain from praising the cult. Tough luck, "backchich" (that's the name of the french paper) discovered that some of these witnesses actually dont exist. The whole thing is a big fat scam.

    Ok, publicity-wise, they're not Cruise or Travolta. But the witnesses shown seem to reek of morality and social recognition. They wear a nice suit and speak in a perfect English, carefuly maintaining a subtle foreign accent, to make the whole thing sound a little more authentic.

    In short, this video is a love song to scientology, coming from five continents, it's a universal communion. It will almost make you cry. You would have to have a heart of stone not to be touched by this noble cause that is scientology.

    Even in France, the country of Voltaire and the 1905 secularism act, there are courageous men that dare to stand up for Ron Hubbard, that injustly despised philantropist. For instance, a guy in the video, during the 2nd minute, is shown as beeing a "member of the cabinet of Marseille's mayor."

    [picture of the guy who works for the mayor of Marseille... actually an actor]

    What does that generous man, ready to bear any kind of mockery for his faith, what does he have to tell us? This: "The main battle for mankind is not for himself, but for humanity. Oh this road, we will find peace, freedom and respect." Beautiful... like classical poetry.

    Is this guy really a member of the administration for the city of Marseille? Is he a colleague of Jean-Claude Gaudin [that's the mayor of Marseille] ? Golly! that would explain why he was re-elected last summer! The quasi-supernatural powers that scientology promises to its cult members are able, it seems, to beat even the socialist party. The question deserves to be further analysed. The UMP [that's a national political party in France] may hold there the secret to a future victory in France. Think about it: in 2004, Sarkozy [that's the president of France] met with Tom Cruise. Three years later he was elected!

    We just couldnt withold this amazing secret and had to investigate. Bakchich [again, thats the name of the journal] called the public relations for the city of Marseille. The face of French politics was about the change...
  8. spin0za Member

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    (the article translated, continued....)

    Completly exhausted, being in the middle of an electory campaing, the pr guy answered us within the hour. And then, all our dreams collapsed. There was no more scientologist working for the mayor of Marseille than flying pigs. [tough one to translate...] The person shown in the video was a random guy, completly unknown to anyone working at city hall. The PR guy for the mayor added, in his answer that "this video is a forgey and I have contacted the mayor about en eventual lawsuit [against the CoS]". Oh! The bad words!

    Of course, we should have been more skeptical. The fake city counselor, even if he had a subtle French accent, seemed to come from an american TV show, not from a novel by Pagnol [French writer and film maker] or from a Canebière bistrot. That should have been sufficient for us to guess that it was a fake, but hey we're just to kind. Of course, something else was pretty fishy: nobody in the video gives out a name. Only a prestigious title: the argument from autority.

    Meanwhile at the european counsil of ministers...

    Of course we just couldnt believe that the CoS could possibly laugh at people like that. Maybe it was just a technical error. Some guy, in some american video editing company, who accidentaly puts on the wrong subtitle while "French" guy is shown in screen. Hey, that kinf of stuff happens sometimes on TV news...

    So Bakchich decided to make a few more phone calls and send a few more emails, hoping to get a second advice. One from the guy said to be from Bruxelle's [that's in Belgium] counsil of the european communities. That guy appears in the video at 53 seconds, just before the fake Marseille guy.

    First problem: the counsil changed names many years ago. It's now called the counsil of the european union. That's a pretty important council: its the actually EU's council of ministers.

    Solicitated by yours truly, the press service of the EU council answered this "We have seen the video mentionned in your email. It doesnt correspond to anything we know. The 'council of the european communities' is not an actual european institution. The video, that doesnt show the name of any participant, does not seem the least convincing to us."

    That's our opinion too. But Bakchihch doesnt want to diffamate innocent people. So, in a ultimate attemps, we try to contact the PR department for the European Congress, hoping that our friendly scientologist friends simply made an editing error.

    But, sadly, the director of communications for the European Congress, James Duch, is categorical: "I have watched the video attentivly and I can confirm that no one shown in the film works or belong in the European congress."

    Of good, nice, and fake

    We rest our case. This video is a big, shameless, hoax. But why would the scientologists, who are always honnest, would get so low as to use such tactics? We are disapointed. Really. But not very surprised.

    And what about the other participants in the video? There are still 25 people. Bakchich investigated everywhere we could. But the answers are just not coming. Maybe, by the magic of the Internet, somebody who lives in Nepal will tell us if the director of national television there is really the man shown in the video. Or maybe a philipino will write to confirm if this other man is an actual "government collaborator" in his country. You too, my dear reader, can help us unmask the cheap actor hidden behind a so-called VIP who happens to be promoting the cult...

    Something tells us, just a mild intuition, that we could discover that all theses unknown VIPs are comedians. Scientology, it's just cinema.
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    yeah, when we finish with the "coca cola'-ing of this video, we need to send a french version to this guy for moar and moar lulz.
  10. Re: DAMNING NEWS ON CO$ RIGHT FROM ARS!!!

    Excellent work Anonymous.

    This is an assortment of promotional videos and most will not be new, that's why you are picking up some retired or former officials. Be wary of 'no one of that name works here' and 'we do not endorse religions' non-denials as organisations try to distance themselves from this.

    Once the cult has film in the can they reuse it in other places without permission, hence the lady who was approving of TWTH but not Scientology.

    The 'Panorama Exposed' website has had broken links to its own video for some while. It's on Youtube in three parts, just Search for it. Yes, at least one of the people used for it was not asked for permission or aware that he would be used to attack the BBC.

    The cult does this kind of thing ALL THE TIME. I guess in the Old Guard we're used to it, no big deal, they are compulsive liars after all. We've never had the manpower to play wack a mole with this, but you have!

    Even when they get a genuine endorsement, and I bet some of those post-Hurricane Katrina ones are genuine, they can't resist using them in recruiting propaganda pieces. When you're trying to cope with a disaster like that you don't say no to giving a quick thank you to, you suppose, the folks who are donating money to the charity that's sent volunteers.
  11. Mister X Member

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    Has anyone started putting a video together to promote this fraud?
  12. Donovan Cook Member

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    That's exactly what I thought of the Katrina testimonials.

    But I'm still digging and come Tues. I hope to have epic wins. Damn the long weekend. Need something....

    Bender.jpg

    Edit/ I know in the 300 some posts that someone said they were working on it...
  13. Annoyia Member

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    Narconon Video:

    Here's what I have so far. Still working.


    1) <i>More money spent on illicit drugs than food, clothing, housing, or med care</i>

    2) <i>Scientology’s relationship to Narconon is one of “sponsorship” </i>

    3) <i>90% of all burglaries, 50% of all traffic fatalities are drug related.</i>
    http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/dcf/duc.htm US Dept. of Justice Statistics
    Appears entirely false. This was a bit of a vague claim to research, and they may have a source that contradicts it – but according to the DOJ site, the actual percentage for “burglaries” (or indeed, any violent crime) committed under the influence or to obtain money for drugs runs just under 20%.

    Hm. That sounds odd to me. Someone verify? Still need info on traffic fatalities

    4)<i> Over last decade prescription drug abuse doubled among adults, tripled among teens</i>
    No clear data yet – or rather, lots of data, still wading through.

    5) <i>The U.S. spends $1billion per week on the War On Drugs</i>

    http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/policy/04budget/index.html Office of National Drug Control Policy
    http://www.drugsense.org/wodclock.htm Drug War Clock

    This is an approximation, but seems to be largely correct from what I’ve found so far – when the Federal and State costs are added together, the total comes to approximately a billion dollars a week, or close enough that arguing to the contrary would be pointless.

    However – “The U.S. government estimates the cost of the War on Drugs by calculating the funds used in attempting to control the supply of illegal drugs, in paying government employees involved in waging the war on drugs, and to satisfy rehabilitation costs. This total was estimated by the federal U.S. government's cost report on drug control to be roughly $12 billion in 2005. Additionally, in a separate report, the U.S. government reports that the cost of incarcerating drug law offenders was $30.1 billion—$9.1 billion for police protection, $4.5 billion for legal adjudication, and $11.0 billion for state and federal corrections. In total, roughly $45.5 billion was spent in 2005 for these factors.[2] The socioeconomic costs, as well as the individual costs (i.e., the personal disadvantages in income and career), caused by the incarceration of millions of people are not included in this number. Nor are the many real wars fought in the name of the "War on Drugs" included.
    In 1998 the total cost of drug abuse in America was estimated at $143.4 billion.[3] This number, however, includes indirect costs and includes some costs of drug policy enforcement, and so is not directly comparable.” - gakked from Wikipedia.


    6) <i>Narconon’s Success rate is the highest in world, and 4X greater than international average.</i>

    For this purpose, I’ve been trying to “primary source” all of my data – but for this particular claim, several people have done it for me. Here’s an excellent link with primary sourcing: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/studies.htm
    Claim #7 is false.
  14. Ann O'Nymous Member

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    Transcript VIII: "In support of human rights"
    1. The Church of scientology sponsors a worldwide Human rights awareness campaign and a global education initiative entitled “Youth for human rights”. These campaigns are presently implemented in coordination with advocates and governments officials in 81 nations.
    2. The changes the scientology church and the scientologists are making is really unique. They are really putting the hope back to the human race mainly to create a better world. And I think it is absolutely fantastic and it gives me the tools really to work for things I never thought we could do before.
    3. This is for everyone. It is the rights of human beings. It is the rights of you and of me and of everyone who is around on this planet.
    4. I have never seen something like that – the human rights campaign – it is for me, it is a beautiful example of education of human rights.
    5. It showed me that the principle fight in the life of man is not uniquely for himself but for others – for humanity – because in this way we find peace, liberty, respect.
    6. Scientologists go far, expand all over the place and send all the information that they have because they are not doing it for them. They do it for you, for me, for everybody.
    7. What impressed me most of the human rights program of scientology is the capacity of mobilizing everyone, everybody into one objective.
    8. When you see something visual, when you hear the word, when you start learning about something you did not know before, these people prevail in making an impact.
    9. Youth for human rights actually helped the Mexican people to believe and to feel and to enhance their capabilities in terms of human rights.
    10. Even though we see war everywhere on television, papers and every media, but Youth for human rights, they can bring – they can bring peace in the world.
    11. Human rights is not an abstraction, it is a very real thing that happens every day, that we have to defend and advance and deliver every day and so the everyday situations are presented in the PSAs are exactly the way to communicate human rights.
    12. The public service announcements prepared by Youth for human rights are the most effective tool for the promotion of human rights that I have seen.
    13. Youth for human rights is the fundamental tool for educating each other about succeeding to be united as one, to have an understanding of all the differences around the world.
    14. A campaign like this goes a long way in terms of educating individuals and thereby helping governments themselves do what they have to do about human rights.
    15. We are trying to create a world in which everybody will have the freedom and the equality that they were born with.
    16. The campaign assists us in moving from the previous mindset based on discrimination, based on segregation.
    17. It puts me in a position whereby it becomes my duty to ensure that people’s human rights are observed, to ensure that people who don’t know about their human rights are informed.
    18. I have been a political activist for many years and basically the bottom line was for the people to know their rights under the law. And so this a really helped me.
    19. This educational campaign is incredibly, incredibly powerful in stopping the erosion of our rights.
    20. It calls elected officials, it calls communities, and cultures into accountability.
    21. It is a demand that we do it now, that we look at the individual rights guaranteed by the United Nations in its Declaration.
    22. You stand for your rights and automatically then the government officials have to take note and change their policies.
    23. It is bringing everybody together under the understanding: “Look – we are all in this together.”
    24. No one else has given us the tools. No one else has given us the campaigns, or shown us what to do.
    25. L. Ron Hubbard had the courage and the vision to put this together and say: “These are the rights that belong to all of us.” He is saying that it is up to us and here it is, go for it, we can do it.
    26. We have to thank the church of scientology for all these big and different campaigns for our human rights. Not for the humans rights, for our human rights of everybody around the world.
    27. If you are interested in taking action to increase human rights awareness in your community, or would simply like to know more about your human rights, free information is available upon request.
  15. Ann O'Nymous Member

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    May I suggest that we first get full transcripts before beginning to analyze them ?

    That way, more people can work on them and bring interieesting information.

    Thanks in advance.
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    WELL FINALLY I found a way to help out on the fake celebrities thing. I actually saw/knew Dora Balladares in person...cannot IMAGINE that is her, she is not so young.

    2mcgkjm.jpg

    FORMER first lady like in the 90s Dora Balladeres
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    Female older president between Pedro Balladares and current president Martin Torrijos whose wife Vivian looks like this:

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    and

    [IMG]


    I call FAKE first lady of Panama!!!
  17. Sargo Member

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    can someone get me the link to the vid were it shows the boy scouts of america in the vid

    i needs it for the district executive

    **also the posstion they said he was, to my knoledge, doesn't excist. the scout guys hasn't confermed yet**
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    Fake IS fake. Damn good job anon.
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    I am currently waiting to hear from an expert on the Romanian royal family, cause the dude in THIS PDF scan looks NOTHING like ANY of the current or former crown princes.

    http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=26371&sid=e04d33b7c94a35e12a1f146937d7438a

    (scroll down) will alert when I get response but there is NO ONE that looks that that. There can be only one crown prince at a time, former crown prince is a BIG NOT..current crown prince is hawt and looks nothing like creepy old dude in photo.)
  20. Ann O'Nymous Member

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    Transcript IX: “Freedom magazine: A voice for human rights”
    1. Since 1969, the church of scientology has published Freedom Magazine in 20 nations. Premised on the principles of human rights, the magazine has been the catalyst for groundbreaking reforms in the public interest and broadly hailed as a leading voice for human rights and civil liberties.
    2. It can put a spotlight on an area of public policies or on an area of the world or an area of the United States where injustice exists, where the human condition needs improvement. And by putting a spotlight there, moves people to action.
    3. It is one of the, if not the one major magazine that pulls no punches. When I say that I mean that in the best tradition of frankness. They do the research, they gather the facts, and they present them as they found them with, I would say, no spin at all.
    4. It provides me with information that I can use in my mission, which has to do with religious freedom.
    5. This is really the story of promoting human rights, of promoting peace, of making the voiceless voice be heard. And then people take action.
    6. And through raising that consciousness, you have a cacophony of people crying out that we have to address human rights and injustices in this world.
    7. And they will write about it and not be afraid. So I think that the greatest accomplishment is courage and using that courage to help free people around the world.
    8. And I see that people really are fighting now, today, to keep their rights. And, to me, Freedom has done that. Not only that, it has opened up the doors and it has opened up the truth.
    9. What Freedom does is provide the opportunity for one to do those things that we believe in the United States, which is to pursue life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
    10. I don’t know of a single organization or church group that has done so much for freedom as the church of scientology has done.
    11. The more you go into in-depth investigations on many of these troubling issues, the greater the impact you have on the decision-makers. And when we make decisions here in Washington DC, in the Capitol, the impact goes beyond our borders.
    12. The church of scientology is tireless in its efforts to try to ensure religious freedom for everyone. And not only if you are a scientologist, but for everyone.
    13. Beginning with human rights, religious tolerance, and other issues, Freedom actually, I just believe is the conscience of this world.
    14. Freedom Magazine clearly has a future in creating world harmony, world peace, and of course, world collaboration around the greatest challenge that any of us will ever be able to surmount, and that is world peace and world safety.
    15. Freedom’s accomplishment is really to spread the message of making sure that we have human rights respected internationally and that should be values that, as Americans or as any individual that we would uphold; that it does not belong to one nationality, it does not belong to one country, it belongs to all of human kind.
  21. Ann O'Nymous Member

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    @ scaryanonymous,

    I try to follow you, but it could be, in my opinion:

    1. Vivian Torrijos, who was the First Lady, as the wife of the president,
    2. the crown prince, a few years later.
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    Good work fella. I'll be honest I'm not convinced that the bottom two photos might not yet be the first lady of Panama, but definitely worth following up. Once we're pretty certain that someone is not who they're supposed to be, it's essential that we make contact with the relevant body, to confirm whether they were involved in the vid or not. Until then, we're not in a position to use it, even when the same person's radically different.

    Plups and Dubber have drafted excellent letters for just this purpose.
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    That photo is NOT the current first lady of Panama Vivian, check out the nose, and it CANNOT be Dora Balladares, she is an avid Catholic plus she is NOT that young.

    Second post of mine is debunking the HRH prince of Romania bull...

    I am about to debunk the Japan chief of research...gimme a minute.
  24. Ann O'Nymous Member

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    @ Sargo,

    On the site www. scientology.org, click "Anti-drug" and then "In support of anti-drug".

    On this video, it is Number 6.
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    [IMG] 2uhb87s.jpg [IMG]


    first nose fake scilon video, second nose ACTUAl first lady vivian, third nose is Dora and that photo is from the mid 1990s
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    "Carol Mircea Grigore Hohenzollern (8 January 1920 - 27 January 2006), also known as Mircea Grigore of Romania (al României in Romanian) according to his amended Romanian birth certificate[1][2][3] or as Carol Lambrino"

    bottom of that links to : http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19951014/ai_n14011890

    "Bucharest - A Romanian court ruled yesterday that a 75-year-old "bastard" prince was the legitimate heir to King Carol II. The judgment recognises that Mircea Grigore Lambrino is the legitimate son of the former monarch and it calls into question the status of the exiled King Michael. Reuter"

    the 2 pics ypu put up look like could easilly be the same guy to me, some time passed, hair dye and makeup.

    :(

    any idea when this vid was meant to be shot though? not sure he looks much like 75.
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    Carol Mircea Grigore Hohenzollern (8 January 1920 - 27 January 2006)

    He's dead:)

    &quot;Never during his reign, not even during his personal dictatorship (1938-1940) when he held absolute power in Romania, (did) King Carol II recognize his firstborn Carol Mircea as a prince or grant him at least the right to bear the family name &quot;Hohenzollern.&quot;....Furthermore, he has never been recognized or referred to as prince by the Romanian Royal Family......Carol Mircea was buried in Romania after a funeral held at the Cozia Monastery. He never claimed the defunct throne of Romania,[8] unlike his son Paul.
    *paul is pictured here

    http://printulpaulderomania.ro/

    but he is NOT the crown prince he is the &quot;self-styled&quot; crown prince:)

    It IS Paul, but he is not really the prince of anything.

    [IMG] az88r8.jpg

    TO be a crown prince means you are the heir...the current KING is

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_of_Romania

    so that makes the SCILON video a lie:)
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    Also nose job, would produce the same result.

    Either way, my point was that once we're fairly certain there's shenanigans going on, we need to confirm it with the relevant body. Until then, it's not something we can really make use of. That was all.
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    Yup, I'm with witty.

    all of this needs legitimate sources, once we have the evidence, we hit the media with it. They will like this. They can use it
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    There IS a reason that NO NAMES are on the video...there is no such crown prince Paul of Romania, it IS a lie. I can call myself the Commander of the Sixth Maracabian Fleet but.....

    # a male heir apparent to a throne
    wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

    # A Crown Prince or Crown Princess is the heir or heiress apparent to the throne in a royal or imperial monarchy. (Crown Princess is also the title of the wife of the Crown Prince.)
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown Prince


    The SCILONS are stretching things to the realm of the incredible.
  31. anonybuses Member

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    This is what i have gathered on this guy,

    There is currently no direct Belgian representative of Kawanis international.

    These are all the representatives I could find.

    International board- http://www.kiwanis.org/WhoWeAre/KiwanisLeadership/KIPresident/KIBoard/tabid/444/Default.aspx

    Foundation board- http://www.kiwanis.org/WhoWeAre/KiwanisLeadership/KIFPresident/KIFBoard/tabid/448/Default.aspx

    I also had a quick look around the European site, this is the current president of kawanis international. His name is Ed Callis, the pictures do not match:

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    Another thing I did find was the only link between Kawanis and Belgium was this guy:

    François Paulus
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    I found some contact info, not sure on the validity of it but its the best I could do in a short time:
    Full Name: François Paulus
    e-mail: francoispaulus2000@yahoo.de
    Country: France
    City: Cesson Sévigné
    Zip code: 35512
    Street Address: 4 rue du Clos Courtel
    Telephone: +33 (0)2 99 124644
    Gender: Male

    He is the representative of the Belgium-Luxembourg District these pictures also don't match.

    This is all I could find out in the time I had available, hope it helps.

    EDIT: E-mail sent to François Paulus using a template found int his thread. Will probably not receive a reply until Tuesday at the earliest. I will post as soon as I get a reply.
  32. Mister X Member

    Re: DAMNING NEWS ON CO$ RIGHT FROM ARS!!!

    That's not a dead end. The fact that no such position exists is evidence itself.
  33. O Fortuna Member

    Re: DAMNING NEWS ON CO$ RIGHT FROM ARS!!!

    Also I'd like to point out that all of the research divisions of the MIXT (Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology) have nothing to do with education, so it's a little deceptive either way.

    See this org chart
  34. Donovan Cook Member

    Re: DAMNING NEWS ON CO$ RIGHT FROM ARS!!!

    Beat me to it...
  35. iaxiloll Member

    Re: DAMNING NEWS ON CO$ RIGHT FROM ARS!!!


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    This is Vivian Fernández de Torrijos the nose does not fit. Up to Jan.2008 she did not seem to have had a nose job.I am still looking.
  36. iaxiloll Member

    Re: DAMNING NEWS ON CO$ RIGHT FROM ARS!!!

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    Martes, 26 de febrero del año 2008

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  37. Re: DAMNING NEWS ON CO$ RIGHT FROM ARS!!!

    Mister X: To be fair, to do that research we need someone who reads Japanese, records of things like that online would almost certainly only be in Japanese.
  38. DawnOlsen Member

    Re: DAMNING NEWS ON CO$ RIGHT FROM ARS!!!

    Ok, I have gotten all sort of emails about this, including some helpful translations of a French report which states the CoS used fake people, or the very least fake titles in some promotional materials.

    I have tried to make heads or tails of this thread but there's SO much info I don't know where to begin. Can someone outline the damaging points in all of this and I will post it up on Glosslip? I wanted to write about it earlier, but was somewhat confused as to where the lies were hiding, and could use some help.

    I will check back on the thread for any replys if anyone should be interested in helping me out here.

    Thanks
    Dawn
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