Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death Who knows what was even asked and what he actually said. Ask a question in the right way and you'll get the answer you want. Or take the part of a statement that answers the question you want answered that way. And "effect of sudden withdrawal" (because of the question of how regularly he was taking it), IMHO isn't as important as just the lack of recognition of someone with problems beyond your "tech"s" ability to handle. Imagine someone who's "backstop" is his meds, and them being made unavailable. He had behavior problems anytime he didn't take his meds. Add $cio mindfuck game pressure and gun. And bullets. In the same place. Lots of bullets. Did they ever recover "the" bullet?
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death Now I see another note that he had 2 rounds in his pocket....somewhere else it says 5 or else my vistaril is wearing off...
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death I'm not a medfag or a pharmafag, but I have been on SSRIs and I know how hard they can be to stop, even slowly. I've never been on Lexapro, but just Google Lexapro and withdrawal. The results are pretty clear: people have problems going off Lexapro. I was very surprised that his physician gave that response.
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death Well, yeah. But based on other things Victoria Britton reported that McNamara said and did, I wouldn't be surprised if he did.
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death A lady I know says she takes Lexapro "only when she needs it." It struck me as odd at the time since I had taken it for about 4-5 months to get through a rough patch, and getting on and then off again can be a bit rough. The side effects I recall weren't really much more than tingly fingertips, drymouth and some funky dreams though. I recall that there were some occasional moments of feeling a little bit of "apathy" for a little while when I was adjusting to being on it the first two weeks though. I hadn't really thought much of it, but this has kinda made me wonder if there were ever result in some extreme cases of that resulting in a "not caring if I live or die" attitude.
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death Ultimately, if you need the meds and you don't have them, you're going to be affected by going off them. It looks like Kyle wasn't taking them regularly. However, he'd had an assurance from an uncle that he didn't need to worry about not being able to replace them (the reason he wasn't taking them regularly), so he may have wanted to start them regularly again.
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death Somewhere in the Kyle Brennan dox it says he was taking Lexapro only when he needed it. That struck me as odd. Antidepressants really don't work that way (or at least, that's what my shrink told me). They're not like sedatives or sleeping pills; they need to build up in your system. I suppose there could be a placebo effect if you take them randomly "as needed," but you wouldn't get the same effect you'd have if you took them every day. If Kyle was taking the Lexapro "as needed," stopping them wouldn't be as hard. But it seems to me that if he agreed to stop taking them, he must have been taking them somewhat regularly. Maybe he had stopped for a while, then started again? Just thinking out loud here. I know this is all speculation.
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death When that lady told me she "only takes it when she needs it," I was under the impression that it was a week-by-week or even day-by-day thing. I wonder if she meant it as taking it to get through rough periods like those 4-5 months I had gone through. I think that if my life ever took a turn like that again, I would consider taking again as well. So maybe that's what he was doing and he kept it around for just such a time.
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death Man, everytime you read this you can find something new. "Mutual decision" to stop the meds? Not. Page 11 of "page one includes" file: "Thomas advised that Kyle was not taking his medication. Thomas stated that he does not believe in psychiatric medications because of his religious beliefs. Thomas encouraged Kyle to stop taking the medications and took the bottle from him approximately 3 days ago." Another glaring inconsistency not followed up on. And undoubtedly they way it really went down. Yeah, lock up the meds, but not the gun. Don't believe in medicine, but do believe in bullets. Where IS the bullet? RIP Kyle Brennan. You will get justice.
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death Police decided that EVEN IF TOM DID TAKE THE MEDS AWAY FROM KYLE, that wouldn't have caused him to become suicidal because: a) he was already not taking them regularly; and b) the Dr said there would be no side effects if he stopped taking them suddenly.
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death Did not feel it advisable to leave Kyle alone. (But he did) If he was that concerned why leave the gun there???? Couldn't remember "exactly" where he stored the ammo. Lie. Oh, he didn't tell him it was there. Like a kid ain't gonna look in the nighstand. Slimy $cilon.
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death There subgenius. What you just stated is what needs to go into wiki with the docs as back up for the public to decide. It doesn't matter what CWPD or the outcome of the Civil trial. We are in the business of providing facts of the harms of scientology. We now have more documented facts like which has been posted on this thread then before, therefore this exercise is a WIN. Genius : ) Please gather these facts and update a wiki on it.
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death LOL Wikipedia http://forums.whyweprotest.net/235-how/itt-lrn2wiki-38969/ Main Page - End The Cult Library Please follow through. Maybe pm Tiny Epic Dancer for help. both you guys are on top of this and I think this needs to be available to the public. Thanks
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death But can that be proven? That's the issue. We can go "Well clearly the scifag is lying" all we want, but that does nothing in regards to building a case.
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death What would be a more productive way of it saying then ? Don't just shoot it down, offer the solution too please : )
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death Can what be proven? He said one thing one time and something else another. Doesn't really matter where the ammo was, the kid found it. So why lie about it? Lying liars lie even when it makes no difference. It often trips them up.
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death I'm not, I'm pointing out that saying it isn't enough. lern2recognize agreement. And lol, if I had a solution I'd be on the phone with the CPD Homicide division by now. That's the point. We know they're lying, we just can't prove it.
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death He made inconsistent statements about a lot of things. They can't both be true=lie. and btw we're not talking about a crime, yet, gross negligence.
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death I caught not remembering where the ammo was. Do you recall which of the dox he contradicted that in? Depending on the phrasing, a half-decent lawyer could argue him out of it.
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death I'm no legalfag, I don't know that. I'm saying that you can assume by virtue of the fact that I'm not bawwing at Homicide (I'm not) to do so that I can't prove a coverup within CoS to legal standards. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death And why couldn't the discrepancy subgenius is pointing out help this ? These are after all IMHO excellent points to ponder ? Circumstantial evidence can still be consumed by the public can't it ? Sure it can, it happens all the time. And needs to happen in this case. What I'm proposing is more facts based on the dox available to us during the thread and search. It's a far cry then what I read on some of the tinfoily web pages by offering more dox. Can't win in an investigation by CPD, I think Kyle's Mom will win in civil court. I know if we do it right, we can win the court of public opinion. Conclusion of this observer is scientology is scandalous and it harms peoples thinking and acting out. You do help by keeping the tinfoil out of things, but the police investigation, the civil trial and the court of public opinion all measure by different standards. That much has been established in this thread.
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death Public yes. Legal case no. Thus the phrase "to legal standards". Who is the burden of proof on here, hm? That's what I'm saying, actually. =) And tbh I think that's the best we can hope for, that and maybe, maybe the civil case. A lot of this thread looks like it's going "how can we prove Tom Brennan and CoS killed/set up Kyle?" and I doubt we'll ever be able to do that to anyone but the public's standards.
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death The real smoking gun will be brought up in the civil trial. Kyles Mom has already made this clear and I think it will stick. I don't think the real gun will be brought up except to point out the discrepancy like subgenius pointed out. This info will help in a civil trial won't it ? If it points out failures of the CPD in the process, it is not my problem. Or maybe it should be. The question is why. Hopefully we will find out when and after she wins the civil trial : )
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death Circumstantial evidence is not only admissible, but is often more compelling and probative than "direct" evidence. Circumstantial evidence has gotten a bad rep through TV shows. Circumstantial evidence: "you didn't see my client bite the victim's finger off, did you?" (that would have been "direct evidence") "no, I saw him spit it out." (circumstantial evidence) Kinda compelling, no? Objection to circumstantial evidence overruled.
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death You know what? Fine, you try taking that to court. Let me know how it goes.
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death This ^^^ Greta started it : ) Gretas name come up in the dox Tiny Epic Dancer gave us. They tried to drop her name and it still didn't help them LOL
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death you will NOT stop free thought and free speech, you will not succeed. What are you afraid of ? The Truth coming out ? We will do our best to make sure we have dox and facts to back up what we say. Who said we are going to court with it ? We are discussing as was suggested in the OP. I hope once we get all the facts out, the case will be reopened since you desire to obscure and stop free thought. The goal of releasing the CPD dox on this, will not succeed as you hoped. Can you say footbullet ? LOL stfu and gtfo
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death oO; wut. You twit, look back through the thread, I was the one repeatedly telling you how you could get the CPD dox. [STRIKE]inb4OSAaccusations[/STRIKE] too late.
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death No U. The dox were posted by the OP. Wrong thread my friend. Did you follow your own advice and get them? Have you read any and offerred any thoughts about what you read?
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death I read them, I offered my thoughts, you "overruled" them, remember? And excuse me, my interest in the case is passing at best. Brennan isn't why I protest, I have other priorities than proving incompetence or wrongdoing in this particular case.
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death I agree to disagree with 612 CPD apologist. nough said. Iggy : )
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death Wrong again. You hadn't offered any analysis of anything you read, if you read anything. My ruling was on your ruling that circumstantial evidence wouldn't be admitted. "I have other priorities than proving incompetence or wrongdoing in this particular case." That's obvious, what isn't is why you are here, then. (Pushes imaginary iggy button)
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death /shrug Prove corruption and I'll be satisfied. Until then, innocent until proven guilty. All I'm saying, and I'm done saying it (and in fact, have been done for some time; "CPD is not corrupt" and "this is why we need more evidence" are not the same thing).
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death If that's the case then please move along and work on your priorities and stop derailing this thread with your unhelpful comments. This case is important to me and some others. A victory for this case would be huge. It would hopefully stop Scn from continuing their daily practice of telling people to stop taking their meds. Back in the 90's there was a Scientologist in Boston named Jill. She was a thirty something single mom, with Lupus. She was recruited by the Sea Org and was told to stop taking her Lupus meds as she could not be in the SO and on any drugs, even prescription drugs. So she stopped taking them and was dead within a few months. The expression, Scientology Kills, is not just something nifty. These fuckers kill people with their insanity. It has to stop. The Kyle Brennan case will help to stop this practice and a Scn loss would be another nail in the cult coffin. If you're not interested in this case, that's fine, but stop being a distracting pain in the ass.
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death Hey pooks, not sure I thanked you for the upload. Anonymous delivered. How we doin so far? BTW i have a video of you (i think) giving a talk somewhere that i have yet to watch. cheers....
Re: Clearwater PD files on Kyle Brennan's death It's all in the report/pdfs. I left our the 3 or 4 things that that were totally negative vis'a vis' the suit itself. Wouldn't be appropriate ITT. Long "suicide" investigation. Do a time line.
