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City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

Discussion in 'GoldBase' started by avbb, Sep 2, 2009.

  1. TomVorm Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    Gold Base could be forced to not only widen that stretch of road to 4 lanes, but also to pay for the entire construction job (including widening of intersections up and down the road, sidewalk and signal installations, and so on).

    Riverside County has the right to sue Gold Base, to enforce a settlement mandating those changes and that expense, on the grounds the Gold Base violated terms of the approved Conditional Use Permit (100 ft. wide highway) when they redeveloped their properties over the past 20 years.

    This is called "mitigation", a common practice among developers and local governments, and would be to the benefit of everyone in the area in terms of enhanced flow of traffic with added safety.

    All that would be required, is presentation of relevant documents before the County Board of Supervisors, and the exercise of political action by the County Road Department, Building Engineers, and the District Attorney. This would also help Riverside County with its current revenue shortfall, as a road upgrade would bring in many thousands of dollars (maybe even over a million) in permit fees too.
  2. Sponge Member

  3. Oswald2001 Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    The area is indeed growing and larger traffic arteries are necessary.

    It may require more than 4 lanes through the CULT compound.

    I think there should be a study done to determine the feasibility of widening the road to 6 lanes.

    Also, the road is currently a bit too windy.

    While widening the road to 4-6 lanes, the road could be made less windy.

    The CULT is apparently concerned about traffic safetly and, so, I don't think they should mind if Eminent Domain is used to procure enough land to make the road safe.

    And...if it is found that The CULT has built improvements on land that was never theirs, The CULT should be more than happy to pay the cost of removing any illegal improvements and widening the road.

    After all...SAFETY FIRST!
  4. Anonymous Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    Yep, and it looks like Gilman Springs fits in perfectly to that plan. With the casino, it really makes a good idea for a nice east-west route. Gilman Springs seems like a fine road that has plenty of room to be widened.

    If they cannot straighten the road, at a minimum they need to widen it and reduce the speed limit, which overall increases the volume of traffic.

    Anyone who says differently has their own idiot politics in mind.
  5. Oswald2001 Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    They can most definitely straighten the road. In terms of engineering, it's a piece of cake. Done every day.

    It might require procuring even more of The CULT compound land than just widening the road.

    That's a good thing.
  6. AnonyMary Member

  7. Anonymous Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

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  8. Oswald2001 Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    Is that a swing coat?
  9. Anonymous Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    Hey, you're right! With all that stuff going in the county should consider other options. How about a little more than four lanes for the road.
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  10. Anonymous Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    I don't know what all the fuss is about.

    Don't most Americans have helicopters like we do?

    Then again, I bet you fattys are too lazy to land and get out at the Mc Donalds helipad - so you prefer to drive thru instead, lol
  11. Ogsonofgroo Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    Bolded 1> And creating a new throughfare/highway/etc. is more 'environmentally sound' ? Not!

    Bolded 2> Have you ever tried to drive yer car on a monorail? It suxors. XP

    Right fucking on man!
    Gimme a D-9 CAT and a bottle of Gin (a really big one), and lazar-kitteh, I'd have 'er nice and straight (and widened) in a day or two between hang-overs :D :D
    :D

    But really, I'd like to see Cult of Fucktatude start building another road to bypass their rabbit-hole XP Let's see, erm, Supah-Powerz elephant, um, nearly 10 yrs an' still not nearly done.....hm, wonder how'd they do with a road.... oh, maybe their new OT's will just postulate it into existance XP

    Scientology> Practising 'head-up-butt-tech' since 1950!

    XD

    :)
  12. Anonymous Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    Won't dispute you, because this ain't the time or place (and not the reason for my post). Just sayin' that there are non-scilon reasons someone might oppose road widening/development, and that some locals might well subscribe to them; regardless of our outside logic.

    If the previous poster were a cantankerous resident who disagreed with some Anons about best strategies for the future of access in their area- I'd like to welcome them as a potential ally.

    Widening/increasing traffic through the region is not an Anon priority.
    Maintaining access to a criminal corporate cesspool- so it can be adequately assessed and treated- is the priority.
    [/troll]
  13. Anonymous Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    Take a look at the comment I was challenging. Alhadeff wasn't being criticised for acting illegally or dishonestly, but simply for taking Scientology's side on those two issues of 884 and the road closure.
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  15. fitch2000 Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    Nope, scientologies attack dogs are in no way, shape or form dishonest. 0.o

    They get paid well for their souls, I imagine. All except Moxon, he looks like a damn sea org victim every time i see a vid of him.
  16. JohnnyRUClear Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    Yep. This whole thread, I've been wondering why we're spending so much time on this. The problem will vanish with the cult, so our goal here is the same as our overall goal:

    SHUT 'EM DOWN.

    Of course, short-term contingency planning is -- unlike LRH's failtech approach of always going balls-out on offense -- cool, too. So, carry on. :)
  17. anon555 Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    i do. you dont close a road because its too busy. exactly what does that solve? the thought that any business would even ask for a public road to be shut is offensive, 'i'm sorry, too many of you locals are driving on our highway, please shut it down so we can have it to ourselves'

    but ironically, in retarded scilon fashion, if by some miracle of xenu they actual manage to get the road shut down, that entire corner of riverside will be out protesting them (and the morons who approved it) because the quickest way to piss off a californian is to fuck with his commute.
  18. Anonymous Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    It's doesn't look like a swing coat.
  19. Obi-Wan-anon Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    Even though the cult uses the same road to get to the compound. So shut it down and force the traffic to go where, exactly?

    Their choices were tunnels or overpasses. Road was already there.

    11,00 more cars per day on the roads, so that's a reason to shut it down.

    You're right, I don't like hearing that Denny's is opening up another place. Starbucks would have been better received.
  20. xenubarb Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    How you talk! Denny's has the best chicken fried steak on the planet!
  21. Old Shadow Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    Only the most bad-ass :)

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  22. Anonymous Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    One of the main issues for closing down the highway, according to Scilon whore Cathy Fraser, is because of the dangerous driving conditions.

    Guess she forgot to mention this to PAC's OSA chief Kirsten Caetano who got pulled over last March for speeding in excess of 65 mph on Hwy 79.

    Case 91820KKKC - Defendant - CAETANO, KIRSTEN MARIA

    04/17/2009 CITATION ISSUED

    04/28/2009 DEFENDANT SIGNED UP FOR TRAFFIC SCHOOL ON COUNT(S) 01 & MADE PAYMENT OF $386.00.

    06/29/2009 TRAFFIC SCHOOL COMPLETION
  23. fitch2000 Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    did she happen to ask for a beating? a la, Davey's daddy.
    ;-)
  24. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    AFAIK, Moxon is a scientologist. Other lawyers might not be.
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  26. Anonymous Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    None of those instances would have involved the lawyers merely representing their clients and making submissions to a court or agency. Those lawyers would all have acted dishonestly or done acts which, in themselves knowingly enabled their clients to commit offences.

    Once again, Alhadeff was being criticised in the OP - not for having done something illegal or dishonest (nor for aiding and abetting a client's misconduct), but MERELY for representing the CoS by agitating for 884 and for the road closure. They are entitled to do both things. Nothing has been posted to suggest that there have been acts of misconduct. And even if there had been misconduct by the CoS, dishonest people are entitled to have lawyers represent them and make the best legal submissions that can be made on the facts. Simply representing somebody and honestly making a case on their behalf is not a problem.
  27. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    IMHO and IANAL The problem is about people playing both the legal and illegal ways. Those who are known to use the two at the same time should not be granted the same rights than those who do not.

    Since nothing is done about it AFAIK, it is left to each lawyer to make its own choices. Some lawyers would not touch this type of clients with a pole, others do. I am under the impression that lawyers working for the mob are not very well seen. The same should happen to those working for scientology, Alhadeff included. From what was said about him in San Jacinto, this is not the case.
  28. Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    fix'd
  29. Anonymous Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    Lawsuits is not the only thing. The lawyer is in fact obligated to try to make the client stop doing the dishonest or illegal thing, and walk away from the job if the client refuses to do that. This is a rule which is broader than what you can get sued or convicted for. You don't have to be actively involved in the illegal/dishonest actions yourself, but under the rules of professional conduct you may be disbarred.

    So lawyer actively doing something to break law: Lawsuit or prosecution
    Lawyer passively assisting in illegal and dishonest acts, by continuing to represent the client: Disbarment.

    The lawyers who were involved in the whole ordinance 884 stuff may well be at risk of disbarment if there was any proof of what they've done.
  30. Sponge Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    Local paper, The Valley Chronicle reports today.....
    Council opposes closure of road | The Valley Chronicle

    In summary:
    Scientology, STFU & GTFO
  31. Ogsonofgroo Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    ^^^THIS^^^

    ......and retarded scilons driving too slowly without lights on the wrong side of the road....


    Nice article!

    :)
  32. Anonymous Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    This is exactly the point the people at Gold are trying to make.
    If the road were closed to everyone but the scientologists, the few cars speeding to and from Gold would be much safer. Since most residents at Gold can't afford vehicles and are seldom, if ever, allowed liberty off base that would be very few cars indeed.
  33. fitch2000 Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    **David's brother* Ronald Miscavige wants to get beat instead of getting a ticket? lol wut?

    http://www.lermanet.com/exit/images/ron-miscavige-misdemeanor-02-socr.jpg

    '“I asked Ronald what he was doing driving so recklessly. Ronald said he was late for work. Ronald said,” I know I ran a red light.” Ronald continued by saying he was wrong and deserved a ticket but was very late for work. Ronald asked me to beat him instead of giving him a ticket.”"

    http://glosslip.com/2008/03/07/more-weirdness-from-church-of-scientology-leader-david-miscavige/

    "After reviewing the case, Judge Bishop sentenced Ronald to 100 hours of community service for his conviction of reckless driving. So, imagine my surprise to find where Ronald completed his court-ordered service: Golden Era Productions."
  34. Smurf Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    (Never mind) :-(
  35. fitch2000 Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    every article I read said it was Davey's father.? Do you know for sure Smurf that it was his brother?
  36. Smurf Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    You're right. I goofed the floof. Sorry.

    It was Ronald Thomas Miscavige, born in 1936. Riverside County Superior Court, Case # SWM034078.

    You can still access his record through 'Defendant's Name Search' at Traffic/Criminal.

    MISCAVIGE, RONALD THOMAS DOB: 01/1936 SWM034078 CHARGE: VC 23103(A)

    Probation Type: SUMMARY Granted: 02/16/2005 Expire: 02/16/2007

    SUMMARY PROBATION GRANTED FOR A PERIOD OF 24 MONTHS, UNDER THE FOLLOWING TERMS AND CONDITIONS:

    (1) OBEY ALL LAWS, ORDINANCES, AND COURT ORDERS.

    (2) PERFORM 100. COMMUNITY SERVICE HOURS ARRANGED BY VOLUNTEER CNTR; COMPLETE BY 07/18/2005; PAY $80 TO THE VOLUNTEER CNTR FOR ADMINISTRATIVE FEE.

    (3) AS TO COUNT(S) 1 PAY FINE AND PENALTY ASSESSMENT FOR A TOTAL OF $336.00 TO THE COURT AS DIRECTED BY ENHANCE COLLECTION DIVISION

    (4) NOT DRIVE UNLESS PROPERLY LICENSED NOR WITHOUT INSURANCE OR VALID REGISTRATION.

    http://public-access.riverside.courts.ca.gov/OpenAccess/CRIMINAL/default.asp
  37. Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    The San Jacinto city council members - with absolutely no jurisdiction over the non-incorporated property matter in question - come out with a publicly popular recommendation regarding the closure of Gilman Springs Road?

    My god. What publicly relational brilliance this is!
  38. Anonymous Member

    Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3

    Let's expand the road.

    And make one of the extras a special "Cult Escape Lane".

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