Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 W/E hate him all you want BUT all those people in that building will remember what he said. I don't think I've ever heard from or about any anons or critic in Helmet or San Jacinto but I'm guessing people their do have opinion about the scilons. Aren't some of the sea org living in apts and stuff in Hemet? Being bused to and from Gold like the Clearwater ones? AFAIK there is no "church" or anything there pushing stress or personality test and disconnecting families so these people probably just hear rumors. A guy getting attacked atGold Base and others arrested for no reason is good gossip. Gossip and rumors are important in getting attention on scientology imo.
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 AO obviously isn't eating, and at this rate will waste away to nothing. Perhaps some kind local anons could ensure that he gets a good meal once in a while?
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 AO did pretty good, I think. Well documented facts, actually. People will remember that AO had photos with him as well.
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 I really recommend watching former mayor and current council member Jim Ayres comments starting at 07:05 in part 4 and continuing in part 5: "I did a little research on the houses that are on Sublette Road. They have all been purchase by the Church of Scientology. You eliminate opposition by buying their house". "This is a long term strategy". "The tunnels were built for human passage under the street. ... I can't think of too many place where that's been done". "I believe outside the safety the other issue for them is noise because they have told me that over the years. Whenever they do their recordings or their filming the noise from the road has an impact on them. Well, I hate to say it but it's too darn bad because you knew it you bought the property in 1978, 39 years ago or whatever. The road was there, these people have been using that road". "We have to come out, to meet with the supervisors - the entire board. Mr. Mayor I suggest you hand deliver this resolution to the board of supervisors and let them know just how important this is if it passes tonight". And in part one: "The rumor on the street .. was that this city council was in favor of this closure ... I'll go on the record right now saying I will never support it. As long as I sit in this chair, as long as I have been here, I will never support the closure of Gilman Springs Road".
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 Agreed. You have to have the facts after you get the attentiion. He had both. This is actually the AO I postulated up. Or is it mocked up? The other AO was busy. lol
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 In part 4 @3:17 that guy said "i don't want the rd closed yet" I heard like one person clap. Was that you Catherine? Is he your friend? lol He went on to act like this wasn't needed and asked if they would "come back to it" when they need to. Watched him in part 5 I think he is just trying to appease them. He said maybe we should just slow down traffic and/or put in a light. LOL ^that sounds great imo (hypothetically, i've never actually been on the road) Any comments on that from the protesters that have protested there? *Ineed to pour out the rest of this ddrink I think lol Also I saw someone mention the BOS Riverside had already planned on widening Gilman Springs Road to 4 lanes. I read that on one of those papers somewhere cant remember it was like realigning Hwy 79. Wonder how much $ the church will spend to stop that from happening? I just had a thought. Information out about scientology is like ro-ro rooter. And away goes their money down the drain lol.
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 While AO's style may not be what you want it to be, he did introduce a key factual point (that that road should be expanded to 4 lanes, or up to its 100-foot width). That has the possibility of becoming actual policy for the County Road department, and could exploit Gold Base's own traffic surveys (which show a need to alleviate unsafe road conditions). Ayers really carried the day here, by reminding the panel of the history of Gold Base and pointing out their manipulations (by repeatedly lobbying officials over the years, and by acquiring Sublette Road parcels to eliminate opposition). This could all end up as another (expensive) headache for Gold Base, if they are forced to tear down their extensive security fences and hardware, lengthen and rebuild their tunnels, re-construct to current codes (including sidewalks!) and acknowledge their arrogance in illegally building on a public right-of-way. Consider also the results, to Aldaheff's pleading: An official 5-0 bitch slap.
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 Samuel Alhadeff has worked to suppress free speech in Riverside County by representing Scientology's county ordinance 884 restricting picketing in the county and now he is working to stop local residences from using a public road that they have funded and is vital to traffic in the area. These two efforts by Mr. Alhadeff both seek to deny rights and property from citizens in Riverside County. Where is Mr. Alhadeff's sense of civic responsibility or has he abandoned that to make a buck?
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 Just finished watching the 45 minute video. Two things: !. Very interesting stuff, glad the decision went the right way. 2. AO brought up a valid point about widening the road. Shame he let himself down by going off-topic AGAIN. AO- you are still DOIN IT WRONG. However, I have drawn up a helpful guide for you so that hopefully you will learn from it and start doing it RIGHT: As for that photo of AO, I couldn't decide who he was trying to imitate- Superman or Hitler
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 Aldaheff's official mailing address is registered with the California State Bar, and is available with a quick online search. State Bar of CA :: Attorney Search Any member of the public would be within their rights to write him a (respectful, non-threatening) letter, spelling out the errors of his ways.
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 He's been around the cult long enough. If he has any common sense at all he could have figured out what's what by now. He is their lawyer for pete's sake. And I don't think he is senseless. He chose his side imo.
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 I'd love to see how much more money the cult would have to put out to lengthen those two underground tunnels, and having to go through the permit process for it. Might have to put extra re-enforcement in them, better drainage, better vents, etc. And during the widening/rebuilding process, they might just have to close off traffic in those tunnels, too. Puts more scilons outside the gates. And if the fences are moved, the spikes come under scrutiny, too. All in all, more money, security, and headaches for the wee elf.
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 That would be such sweet irony. Sweet sweet irony.
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 One curious behavior reported of LRH was his constant orders to remodel his residences. The record of building permit applications for Gold Base, shows that pattern has continued since LRH "went exterior" (courtesy his Vistaril-filled gluteus) 23 1/2 years ago. Riverside County has the legal right to not only force Gold Base to widen that stretch of road, but to also pay for all associated planning, permitting and construction costs (as part of the approval process for Gold Base's "next" permit application). Requiring developers to improve public infrastructure (as part of a "mitigation" package) has become standard practice for cash-starved local governments for many years now. Gold Base's own self-commissioned traffic surveys, show a need to improve traffic safety. This is an opportunity for Gold Base to demonstrate what "good neighbors" they are (or claim to be)! Should Anons start writing letters to the Riverside County Building and Road Departments, imploring them of the need to enforce terms of the existing Conditional Use Permit (CUP-02943) for Gold Base by upgrading and widening Gilman Hot Springs Road frontage at the 19265 address?
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 Whatever his delivery (I can't stand to watch the guy because I cringe and twitch), he's right on the substantive issue here. If the cult is correct that the highway is unsafe for the heavy traffic using it, the solution is not to shut it down, but to take the entire easement property, expand it to four lanes, and maybe provide space for foot traffic. Perhaps they should even seize some of the cult's property by eminent domain to do it.
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 No seizure is required. The original Conditional Use Permit for the property, specified in 1987-1988 that a 100-foot-wide highway (with multiple lanes in each direction, according to an existing blueprint) would be constructed as part of the development. It was the failure of Gold Base to adhere to their own promises to the public, that has resulted in a traffic condition that their own consultants concede is dangerous. The remedy is not to deprive the public of a right to drive on a road (that they have paid for) but for Gold Base to follow through on their own commitments. Perhaps this topic should be re-introduced to Riverside County management.
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 Because he's convinced himself that the world (that really counts) is behind him and that everything else is irrelevant unless he deems otherwise. He does deserve credit for moving the guard shack comment, however. You can hear the audience in the background responding to this (laughter).
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 Yet, despite your vigorous opinion, the board voted unanimously for SuperHitler. Huh.
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 The T-shirt hides a very profound beer belly.
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 The latter, of course. Alhadeff is a corporate attorney in every sense of the world... the "Donald Trump" of lawyers which has served him well & made him a multi-millionaire. "Sam Alhadeff is a shareholder in the firm's Inland Empire (Temecula) office. He represents clients ranging from national real estate developers and municipalities to cable television stations and start-up businesses. With regard to real estate, Alhadeff's primary focus is in handling land use, entitlement, conservation work and the vast range of legal issues involved in the process of planning and executing the development of land for national and regional developers of residential, commercial and mixed use property. He is currently involved in three multibillion-dollar projects that involve the development of residential property in the Inland Empire. He has also represented developers with real estate projects in Arizona, Nevada and Texas, and has served as counsel for all of the Kaiser properties in Hawaii. Alhadeff has also represented municipalities, agencies and joint power authorities in real estate matters. He has served as counsel for a number of cities, counties and municipalities in California." Buchanan Ingersoll & Rooney Screw the little people. He represents developers & big business that enriches his wallet.
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 Good luck with that. You'd have better luck teaching a cat to bark.
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 Thanks for the extra videos. I can't help noticing the difference of tone between the city council and the county board. In one hand, we have people understanding scientology's ways and ready to react accordingly, i.e. killing the false rumor. In the other, BOS seems clueless and accepts scientology's views almost without critical thinking.
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 The justice system depends upon lawyers being willing to act on behalf of unpopular people and causes. The idea is that both (all) sides make their argument and the best case wins. Would you rather that unpopular people couldn't get a lawyer to make their case?
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 The BOS is not clueless. They're selfish. The BOS is ramrodded by CULT Ho Stone who has his selfish evil little political ambitions to forward. That is 'his' only consideration, therefore, it is the board's (that he dominates) only consideration. God only knows what selfish advantage has been offered or implied to the other selfish members of the selfish BOS. I do notice how nervous the public scrutiny makes the BOS. However, the arrogance of the BOS has steadied their nerves thus far.
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 This is true. But on the other hand, the rules of professional conduct explicitly obligates a lawyer not to help a person or corporation act illegally or dishonestly. If the lawyer doesn't follow those rules, he can be disbarred for it. There's a difference between defending a client, and helping a client break the law. The latter puts the lawyer at risk of both criminal prosecution and civil lawsuit, and ethics reviews by the bar association or the court.
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 Yup, in which light I continue to be amazed that Moxon & Kobrin (sp?) weren't dis-barred years ago for their vast and varied fuckeries on behalf of culty interests. Back on topic> On the whole road thingy, closing a major public throughfare that has existed for many years?, nah, opposition should be pushing for widening and traffic lights and, if cult still bawww-bawwing with bullshit 'safety' issues, then it could be pointed out to them that since they are so fond of bridges they should consider buiding a real one over the road for all the staff too inept to cross it (at a cost of probably 1/10,000th of buiding a new stretch of highway). Of course, choosing this solution would require them to line said theroretical bridge with uber high razor-wire fencing to prevent jumpers from taking advantage........ I don't know why but whenever I encounter scilon shooper-planz like this I get an urge to re-watch Monty Python's 'Twit Race' XP oi. Wonder if the Wee Dwarf has considered that this foot-bullet could actually cause a loss of property?
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 Hmmmm, the Shadow criticising AO for self-promotion. Am I the only one noticing the irony in this?
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 I don't blame Gold Base for wanting to close the road... the San Jacinto Valley has doubled in size during the past decade and Gilman Springs Road is very, very busy. Tunnels or no tunnels, the road is curvy and somewhat dangerous and I am sure the Scientologist management would appreciate being able to move from one side of their campus to the other without traveling underground. Anybody who has suggested adding lanes to that road, has not traveled it... it wouldn't be cost effective or even possible in my opinion. With all the recent talk of the Soboba Indians building a new mega-casino, I know that residents, city, county, Scientologists, and Soboba Indians are all concerned about the addition of 11,00 more cars per day on our roads for casino events. I see no conspiracy here. Presently, I would like to see the road remain open, so I can get to the new Denny's, that just opened down the street from Gold Base, easier... just past the Jewish Synagogue, soon-to-be park, and a public elementary school. Sorry to ruin the area's mystique; I am sure most people who post here don't like hearing that. In my opinion, the Scientologists, Soboba Indians, county, city, and next wave of developers should work together and build another road south of the San Jacinto River, then lower the speed limit on Gilman Springs and create signage that encourages travel on the new road.
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 Hmmm. I think I'll go with the county DOT, the San Jacinto city council and the County master plan which includes a project to widen that road to four lanes. I'll bet they've travelled on that road and they think it's a good idea to widen it.... which would make your opinion somewhat in the micro-minority. Keep trying, though. Is that you, Aldaheff? Sorry, I just had to ask.
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 Some residents even managed to be all nice about the $cifags.....while still saying no.
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 To be fair, the OP might not be a scitroll. Locals who live on the far side of Xenupolis may very well appreciate that the road exists, but be annoyed by the amount of traffic it receives. There are plenty of sound environmental, health and sanity justifications for NOT widening the road, or even reducing its traffic. What might be nice would be closing the road, replacing it with maglev monorail for local access and passage to Soboba, closing the cult and turning Gilman Springs into a monument to Scientology's fail. If we could pay for it out of DM's piggybank, would you support such a proposal? ________ fantasy aside, the harm and disruption caused by widening the road, and increasing its traffic is a long-term issue. In the short-mid term, the benefits to the community may be greater than these costs. Closing the road and giving it to CoS - would mitigate the long-term environmental issues, at the cost of a HUGE windfall to Scientology which would have many horrible short, medium and long-term dire effects on just about everything. I see some value in trying to maintain the road as-it-is, until the cult is run out of town- and then addressing resident vs Soboba vs commerce vs other concerns at that time. I don't know if this is realistic, or practicable. What we know for sure is that Scientology are not good neighbors, and any community plan that includes their input will be calculated to ruin the community (per L. Ron's orders) to the sole benefit of Scientology. They don't play nice. They're not allowed to. If you can't see this, you probably haven't walked down that road far enough...
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 As much as I don't like Scientology, they have never treated me in such a harsh way for expressing my opinion about a solution for my community. I call Scientology on their "errors" and "crimes" which I believe are many, but I don't believe in making this road-issue into more than what it is either. I have unique insite into Gold Base because it is in my neighbourhood. If I see someone escaping, hear alarms going off, or see a mother ship landing in my backyard, I'll post it. I prefer to deal with people looking for truth; that is why I dislike Scientology. Anybody who would call me a "troll" because of my observations of Gold Base, is of the same intollerant camp as the Scientologist leadership is often accused of.
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 Unless you provide a truly viable alternative for the growing community of which you talk about, and unless the existing road is redundant then you would improve a road and not close it. You don't really have many sensible options south of the river without winding up in San Jacinto city. That just isn't going to happen. Nothing in the county highway improvement plan for the next 30 years indicates that anything like that is on the cards. The difference in ease, time and cost between adding a couple of lanes to an existing stretch of road on easement ithe county already owns and building a brand new (longer) 4 lane highway on land the county doesnt even own would be huge. If you google you will find typical costs per mile per lane for improving and constructing new highways (urban and non-urban). Go prove yourself wrong about the costs because I'm not going to do that for you. Geography and geologywise there is probably a reason why that road found itself winding way it does rather than it being straightened it out and putting it on stilts on the floodplain alongside the riverbed on the south side of the cult base. You could do that though, with today's engineering, and needing only the cults consent, but at great cost. Why do that though when there is easily enough land either side (100ft easement) of the existing road to widen it at much less cost? There's also other safety measures such as merge-lanes (instead of junctions), no crossing traffic (or add signals), safety barriers on bends (or realigning the worst bends), sidewalks with guard rails, pedestrian underpasses etc etc. All these things are cheaper than building a new road on a floodplain or through a neighbouring city. I bet you could find much worse roads in the county in terms of safety, with viable alternatives too, and nobody is screaming to close those, so why all the fuss about this one?. Who cares anyway. By the time the slow process of county planning gets round to lifting a finger, either Miscavige will be in an asylum and the cult's assets seized or the Marcab spaceships will have invaded and flattened Gold Base with its death ray. .
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 http://www.sanjacintogateway.com/ Target, McDonald's and more are coming to their backyard. Look at the maps of the local road improvements that are happening as I write. These improvements are one of the reasons Gilman Springs is so busy now. -- the "Troll"
Re: City council votes on closure of Gold Base Road Sept 3 This map show even more: San Jacinto Gateway, Inland Empire, New California Construction "Troll"
