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chris christie bans tesla from New Jersey

Discussion in 'News and Current Events' started by commisiar, Mar 13, 2014.

  1. commisiar Member

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/12/nj-tesla-ban_n_4951571.html

    Fat man Chris Christie has signed into a law banning tesla from selling their cars in New Jersey as of april first. The thing is he "believes" in the free market and he does this...

    Hoot the national media spot light on him is getting hotter and hotter, thanks captain stupid you just proved the GOP's hypocripsy.
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  2. Chris Christie,What a sad,pathetic, little man saying he is for the free market.He is only for the free market when it benefits big money corporations.

  3. tinfoilhatter Member

    Hmmmm, this has the potential to become a lawsuit. That would be funny.
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  4. RightOn Member

    he's too fat to fit in them?
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  5. Ogsonofgroo Member

    Didn't get a kick-back and is all pissy nao?

    The stupid, has endless resources IMHO.....

    *sigh*
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  6. The Wrong Guy Member

    Tesla to Convert New Jersey Stores to Showrooms After Ban | Bloomberg

    Tesla Motors Inc. Chairman Elon Musk said the company will keep its two New Jersey stores open as showrooms after appointees of Governor Chris Christie barred it from selling directly to consumers.

    Musk said Tesla’s stores, at the Garden State Plaza in Paramus and the Mall at Short Hills in Millburn, will become “galleries” on April 1, when the ban takes effect. Customers can view the cars there before ordering from the company’s website. Tesla will continue selling from locations in Manhattan and suburban Philadelphia, he said in a blog post.

    Continued at http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...ey-stores-into-showrooms-after-state-ban.html

    New York could become next state to put brakes on Tesla | CNBC

    If car dealerships have their way, New York could become the fourth state to effectively ban Tesla's direct sales model.

    The president of the Greater New York Automobile Dealers Association told the New York Post last week that he feels confident the Empire State can follow New Jersey in blocking Tesla's business model, which cuts out dealers and sells cars directly to consumers.

    Continued at http://www.cnbc.com/id/101500191

    Search: http://www.bing.com/news/search?q=Tesla New Jersey
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  7. Quentinanon Member

    Chris Christie has got to be the epitome of a scumbag. How ironic that kind of criminal nonsense is allowed in the sanctimonious USA.
    Oh, wait, the U.S. government condones the scientology crime syndicate.
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  8. GWB

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  9. Django Member

    Just wondering: Why don't the other Auto companies use the direct sales model? I poked around the web a bit and can't seem to find an answer. If it's an advantage and not illegal (as it doesn't seem to be except in cases like NJ where the ban on the practice is very recent) why not direct sales of GM or Ford or Kia?
  10. Disambiguation Global Moderator

    *snort
  11. PresidentShaw Member

    Seems rather anti free market principles to me. Tesla, please come to canada, and make your cars more affordable. I'm highly interested in your products as I'm sure many other consumers are.
  12. Ogsonofgroo Member

    Likely because there is a whole 'mechanics' industry to support?.... *shrugz*
  13. The Wrong Guy Member

  14. tinfoilhatter Member


    The american auto industry is still stuck in the past. In the 40's and 50's, a lot of GIs came back and wanted cars, but there were not enough cars for them to buy. So the auto industry has attempted to keep demand high and supply low for years.

    there are MILLIONS(exaggeration) of books written about this from an economics and business standpoint. The ironic thing is these out dated business practices are killing the car culture in america:

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...217-four-theories-why-teens-drive-less-today/
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  15. Django Member

    So Direct Sales isn't considered monopolistic by the courts?
  16. commisiar Member

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  17. The Wrong Guy Member

    This is from March 14, 2014:

    Car Dealers Are Terrified of Tesla's Plan to Eliminate Oil Changes | Wired

    Excerpt:

    The first and most striking way Tesla kills the dealer service department cash cow is downloads. As part of its sales pitch, Tesla says you should think of its Model S sedan as “an app on four wheels.” That may sound like vacuous Silicon Valley marketing copy, but the company isn’t just being metaphorical. Software is at the heart of what keeps Teslas running. These internet-connected cars are designed to self-diagnose their problems. The vehicles can also download software fixes or updates — even new features — much like an iPhone when Apple puts out a new version of iOS. When fixes happen over the air, there’s no need for a shop in the first place.

    <snipped>

    At Tesla’s most recent annual meeting, one shareholder asked founder and CEO Elon Musk about whether challenges to the company from traditional auto dealers hurt the company’s business outlook. Musk argued that consumer desire for a better way of buying and owning cars would win out. He said the traditional franchise model that dominates auto-selling in the U.S. wouldn’t work for Tesla for several reasons, including its reliance on maintenance to make money. “Our philosophy with respect to service is not to make a profit on service,” Musk said. “I think it’s terrible to make a profit on service.”

    The shareholders applauded — the same shareholders that have sent Tesla’s stock price up nearly 650 percent over the past year. Yes, for now, Tesla only makes luxury cars, and its approach to service might seem like a luxury. But if it starts making cars regular people can afford, that applause for car dealers could be the sound of money spiraling down the drain.

    http://www.wired.com/business/2014/03/car-dealers-fear-teslas-plan-end-oil-changes-forever/
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  18. GilRenard Member

    hes a fat fck who will do anything to get into D.C.. i am sick of hearing his BS. especially about how much he cared about us during Sandy.
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  19. The Wrong Guy Member

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  20. The Wrong Guy Member

    Follow the money:

    Texas, Arizona Beg Tesla To Build Factories While Banning It From Selling Cars

    Lawmakers in two states where Tesla can’t sell its cars are hoping the company will bring them thousands of jobs anyway.

    Texas and Arizona are each competing to be the future home of a new lithium-ion battery factory that Tesla estimates could create 6,500 jobs. These states are business-friendly, their representatives claim.

    But neither state has been very friendly to Tesla: Both say Tesla can't sell cars there without using independent car dealers. New Jersey joined them last week, with a new rule cutting Tesla out of that state's huge luxury-car market. Nevada and New Mexico, which are also in the running to host the new plant, called a "Gigafactory," don't have such rules.

    That's not stopping Arizona and Texas from trying to woo Tesla anyway: All nine of Arizona's U.S. representatives wrote a letter to Tesla CEO Elon Musk on Tuesday, urging him to build the new factory in that state. The mayors of Tucson and Mesa, Arizona, have made the same pitch. Texas state representative Jason Villaba wrote Musk earlier this month trying to lure him to that state.

    In his letter, first reported by the Texas Tribune, Villaba noted that Texas has no personal or corporate income tax and is a “right-to-work” state (no unions allowed, in other words). The Arizona congressmen wrote that their state is "one of the most business-friendly" in the nation.

    Tesla's response has been understandably cool.

    “The issue of where we do business is in some ways inextricably linked to where we sell our cars,” Diarmuid O’Connell, Tesla’s vice president for business development, told Bloomberg earlier this month. “If Texas wants to reconsider its position on Tesla selling directly in Texas, it certainly couldn’t hurt.”

    Continued at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/19/tesla-sales-ban_n_4992758.html
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  21. The Wrong Guy Member

    Tesla wins direct sales lawsuit in Massachusetts | Autoweek

    Unanimous vote gives Tesla right to sell

    Massachusetts’ highest court on Monday threw out a lawsuit seeking to block Tesla Motors Inc. from selling its luxury electric cars directly to consumers in the state, enabling it to bypass traditional dealerships.

    The state’s Supreme Judicial Court unanimously concluded that the Massachusetts State Automobile Dealers Association and two dealers lacked standing to block direct Tesla sales under a state law designed to protect franchise owners from abuses by car manufacturers.

    Justice Margot Botsford wrote that the law was aimed at protecting dealers from unfair practices of manufacturers and distributors “with which they are associated, generally in a franchise relationship,” rather than unaffiliated manufacturers.

    The law “was intended and understood only to prohibit manufacturer-owned dealerships when, unlike Tesla, the manufacturer already had an affiliated dealer or dealers in Massachusetts,” she wrote.

    “Contrary to the plaintiffs’ assertion,” she added, “the type of competitive injury they describe between unaffiliated entities is not within the statute’s area of concern.”

    The trade group had accused Tesla of operating a showroom in Natick, Mass., without a license and in violation of a law prohibiting a manufacturer from owning a dealership.

    Robert O’Koniewski, executive vice president of the dealers association, told Automotive News on Monday that dealers are disappointed by the court’s decision.

    “We obviously thought we were in the right, otherwise we wouldn’t have appealed it,” O’Koniewski said.
    O’Koniewski said dealers spent a lot of time and effort amending state franchise law in 2001 and 2002 to block factory stores in Massachusetts.

    “The court says today it was not addressed properly and the requirement on standing still requires an affiliation with that manufacturer,” O’Koniewski said. “As an association, we need to sit down and reassess what we feel the statute says versus what the court says it says and come up with a gameplan.”

    Legislation is one option. “Obviously, if one is going to address the loophole, one would need the legislators to pass something and the governor to sign, but that’s way premature,” he said.

    Monday’s ruling came nearly two years after a lower court initially dismissed the lawsuit in December 2012. Tesla representatives welcomed the decision.

    “It’s a great decision,” Todd Maron, deputy general counsel at Tesla, said in a telephone interview. “The statute is very similar to statutes in other states,” he said. “We have battles in New Jersey and other states with similar constructs, and we hope and expect the same interpretation would carry over to those venues.”

    In March, New Jersey’s Motor Vehicle Commission effectively revoked Tesla’s license to operate two stores. The General Assembly in June passed legislation that would, if enacted into law, allow sales to resume.

    Tesla also cannot conduct direct sales in Arizona, Maryland and Texas, the company said.

    Continued here:
    http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/tesla-wins-direct-sales-lawsuit-mass
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  22. The Wrong Guy Member

    In Iowa, You Can't Test-Drive a Tesla | Popular Mechanics

    Tesla Motors has been fighting it out state-by-state for the right to sell electric cars directly to the consumer, as many states have used old laws that mandate the franchised dealership system as the only way to legally sell an automobile as means to keep Tesla out. Iowa is going even further to make life difficult for Tesla, trying to stop the automaker from even offering test drives of the Model S.

    Oh, you can drive a Tesla through the Hawkeye State, as long as there isn't somebody in the passenger's seat trying to sell you the car. It seems that test drives are governed by the same arcane laws that rule everything else about buying and selling a car. So earlier this month, the Iowa Department of Transportation shut down a planned three-day series of test drives that Tesla set up in West Des Moines, claiming the event was illegal because Tesla Motors was not a licensed auto dealer in the state.

    Predictably, the Des Moines Register says, it was the Iowa Automobile Dealers Association that squealed on Tesla's test drive. Auto dealership associations have been using their political clout to lead the charge against direct-to-consumer car sales.

    Source: http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/news/auto-blog/iowa-no-test-drive-tesla-17245213
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  23. The Wrong Guy Member

    Column: Gov. Snyder should veto anti-Tesla bill

    Across the country, the car dealers’ lobby is running scared of Tesla Motors. Tesla makes electric cars that Consumer Reports has called the best performing car — of any kind — it has ever tested. For lots of good reasons, Tesla wants to open its own showrooms and service centers and sell cars directly to consumers, bypassing traditional franchised dealer networks.

    The dealers see this as a mortal threat to their business model. In state after state, they are invoking decades-old statutes that protect dealers from unfair exploitation by manufacturers to argue that direct distribution is illegal. They have met with limited success in some cases, but the tide is beginning to turn against them.

    As detailed in an open letter signed by 72 of the most prominent economists and law professors in the country, there are no good economic or policy reasons to prohibit direct distribution in today’s market. A study by the Justice Department found that direct distribution could save consumers more than $2,200 per vehicle. The staff of the Federal Trade Commission have come out against restrictions on direct distribution, and not a single consumer, environmental, or civic association is taking the dealers’ side.

    Continued here:
    http://www.freep.com/story/opinion/contributors/2014/10/17/tesla-michigan-car-sales/17379315/
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  24. rof Member

    How many years since the elderly white men learned to text their penises?

    It's been a while now.
  25. The Wrong Guy Member

    Senate panel OKs plan allowing Tesla car sales in New Jersey

    State lawmakers have jump-started their drive to allow Tesla Motors to directly sell its electric cars in New Jersey.

    <snipped>

    The bill endorsed Monday by the Senate Commerce Committee in a 6-0 vote is limited to the direct sales of zero-emission electric cars only. It would allow manufacturers licensed by the state to directly sell cars at a maximum of four locations in the state and require them to operate at least one service facility.

    "This is good for New Jersey. This is good for America," said James Chen, Tesla's vice president of regulatory affairs for Tesla, who estimated each store creates $7 million to $10 million in economic activity in their first year.

    More here:
    http://www.app.com/story/money/business/2015/03/09/tesla-sales-nj-senate/24668233/

    Georgia car dealers back revised Tesla bill

    http://www.ajc.com/news/business/car-dealers-back-revised-tesla-bill/nkRkt/
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  26. The Wrong Guy Member

    FTC to states: Quit banning direct-to-consumer sales

    Even the Federal Trade Commission agrees: Statewide bans on Tesla-style direct car sales are the opposite of free market competition.

    By Robert Sorokanich, Road & Track, May 12, 2015

    Tesla's direct-to-consumers sales model has kicked off a long and ongoing debate across the U.S. While some states are opening exemptions to their decades-old laws that limit new car sales to independent franchise dealerships, others are doubling down, writing new laws that further enforce existing bans on direct car sales — like Michigan, whose aggressive, GM-backed anti-Tesla law won that state the Information Technology & Innovation Foundation's prestigious Luddite Award for 2014.

    We've long held that the direct sales model Tesla uses is a benefit for consumers—one that adds competitive pressure to a market that's been artificially limited to franchise dealerships for far too long. And it turns out, none other than the Federal Trade Commission agrees with us, as evidenced by this strongly-worded blog post the organization just published.

    The usually-staid FTC comes right out swinging in the first sentences. "A fundamental principle of competition is that consumers – not regulation – should determine what they buy and how they buy it," the commission states. "Consumers may benefit from the ability to buy cars directly from manufacturers – whether they are shopping for luxury cars or economy vehicles. The same competition principles should apply in either case."

    Here, the FTC is referring to the many state laws that prohibit carmakers from selling directly to consumers through brand-owned showrooms. Almost universally, those state laws were put into place through the political clout and largesse of state dealership associations. It's a classic case of protectionism, and a pretty blatant one at that.

    Continued here:
    http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/buying-maintenance/news/a25720/ftc-defends-direct-car-sales/

    Direct-to-consumer auto sales: It’s not just about Tesla | Federal Trade Commission

    https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/blo...-consumer-auto-sales-its-not-just-about-tesla
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  27. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Viewed from the outside, this seems crazy.
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  28. The Wrong Guy Member

    GM vs Tesla and an Email Worth 1000 Words

    By Leilani Munter, March 4, 2016

    In an incredibly public display of insecurity in their abilities as an auto manufacturer, General Motors recently backed a bill that would block American electric car manufacturer Tesla Motors from selling cars in Indiana. It was shelved for later study, but Tesla has faced direct bans in five states: Connecticut, Michigan, Texas, West Virginia and Utah. In Utah, at least, the issue is being litigated as a misapplication of law and is now before the Utah State Supreme court.

    In 2013 I was personally involved in fighting against a similar bill to block Tesla in my home state of North Carolina. Although I was not a Tesla owner at the time, I knew I wanted to be and so I drove to the State Capitol and met with every lawmaker who would see me, lobbying for Tesla’s right to sell cars in my state. Tesla won — or so I thought. Almost three years later, although there is a Tesla location just 28 miles from my home, on March 31 I will have to make a 300-mile round trip from my home near Charlotte to Tesla’s Raleigh location in order to place an order for the upcoming Tesla Model 3. Why? Because although the bill to block Tesla in North Carolina was defeated in 2013, Mecklenburg County continues to deny a sales license for Tesla’s Charlotte location.

    (Update: Tesla Motors has confirmed they will take reservations for the Model 3 at all locations, even ones without a sales license  —  like Charlotte. When I published this article, Tesla had not yet determined what would happen at locations with no sales license and I was told I would have to drive to Raleigh to reserve a Model 3.)

    <snipped>

    The Tesla Model S won Motor Trend Car of the Year  —  the first electric car to ever win  —  and scored the highest rating ever given out by Consumer Reports: a perfect score of 100. Consumer Reports went so far as to say it is “the best-performing car that Consumer Reports has ever tested.” As a Tesla Model S owner myself, I couldn’t agree more. But when something rises so far above the competition, it makes its competitors, like GM, very nervous. Nervousness causes people  —  and companies  —  to do stupid things.

    <snipped>

    In light of GM’s ridiculous effort to block a fellow American car manufacturer, I decided it was time to share this email sent to me back in 2008 by a design engineer at GM.

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    His email was in response to an email I sent announcing my participation in a press conference on Capitol Hill to support the Climate Security Act. The GM engineer actually sent me two emails but the second contained a confidentiality clause at the bottom. He forgot to attach the clause to this one, a small mistake he might be regretting right about now.

    I’ve decided to protect the name of the guilty, if for no other reason than to not expose him publicly for his dreadful spelling abilities and his inability to understand basic grade-school climate science.

    I’d like to offer some advice to GM: if you are so threatened by Tesla’s success that you feel the need to pass laws to block them from selling cars, may I suggest that instead of spending your energy trying to block your competition (which makes you look like a jerk), your time would be spent more wisely concentrating on designing cars that can compete with Tesla in a free market  —  one that allows the customer to choose how they want to buy their car. Do you think perhaps the free market is speaking and telling you: it’s time for you to improve your product? Perhaps this is a hard pill for you to swallow, being one of the “big three,” but it’s what the patient needs, and your doctor, the consumers, have written the prescription for you.

    One American car company tries to block innovation while the other disrupts the status quo in the very best way, a perfect example of the free market at work.

    I do believe that the fact that GM is trying to block their competition from selling cars while Tesla shares their patents with the world speaks volumes about who they are morally and ethically as companies.

    And while it may seem counter intuitive, all these legal battles Tesla is fighting is actually a good sign. One of my favorite Gandhi quotes is: “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

    GM is fighting because Tesla’s ability to build a superior product is scaring them. And they  —  along with every other automotive manufacturer in the world  —  should be scared because you know what comes next, right? Tesla wins.

    https://medium.com/@leilanimunter/gm-vs-tesla-and-an-email-worth-1000-words-8544abedbf70
  29. Quentinanon Member

    Legislatures banning Tesla sales is like a Pharaoh banning shoelaces.

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