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Child abuse in the Sea Org

Discussion in 'Think Tank' started by Anonymous, Nov 11, 2013.

  1. Anonymous Member

  2. Anonymous Member

  3. FloGold Moderator

    As terrible as i'm sure child abuse is inside of the cult, i'm sure its pretty much covered by the AvS section of WWP.
    We really cant do anything about it with our resources and experience here since we deal with child abuse on the internet, mainly social medias and the darknet.
    If you find instances where the cult is abusing kids through the internet then let us know and we'll do what we do best.
  4. tinfoilhatter Member


    Now hold up. A lot of things here are interconnected. the great thing about anonymous is that its resources and thoughts shared freely. Perhaps we need to study the sea org abuses to see the similarities between other cult like communities? Perhaps if both communities work on joint projects, a break thru would occur that would help others?

    Regardless of whatever the circumstances, child abuse is always wrong.
  5. Anonymous Member

    I suggest we take both suggestions above into consideration.
    It is hard to reach children in cults directly as most cults are not wired (except for the elite and the business arms). We do, however, have the great hivemind who love to chew on the pointy heads of those who would harm children.

    One of the things that drew me here originally in the early days after the major protests passed was the stream of dox being deposited here, materials that had not gotten wide public circulation before. I believe these docs are a major component of the acid which is wearing away the wart of scientology. These dox (which continue via M. Ottman and others) shed much light and give lawfags resources in which to couch their legal arguements IRL.

    If people were inclined to start collecting dox and articles on cult child abuse and compiling them here, it might make for an interesting project, I mean look at all of the out-of-the-blue responses we've received on that 'access' thread. Also our fairly unique anonymous format allows for people to come forward and remain unnamed if that is a problem for them. Who knows, we might find some new chew toys, if nothing else, perhaps docs will surface that might be of use to courts, media, and people involved in cult recovery.

    From my readings, many cults use kids as a labor pool, separating them from parents, sexualizing them early and refusing them education outside the narrow parameters of cult think. I think these instances should be documented and as much written policy from the cult on the subject doxed as possible. Previously I thought this could happen on other forums, but after Rick Ross's peeps accidently the fucking website, I'm not so sure.

    Just a thought...
  6. FloGold Moderator

    Yes.
    But I lack the resources and knowledge to help children in a situation where abuse is perpetrated by an entity such as Scientology.
    Im part of a cell that already had their lives ruined by them for protesting back in the early days of Chanology. I dont wanna put myself in that position, especially since I do this on my own, with out any help from my cell.
    But still, my main thing is i lack resources and knowledge.
    Ofc Im all for joint efforts and what not. If anyone wants to start a new thread or post your idea on this one, go for it and we can see what come out of it.
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  7. Anonymous Member

    A marvelous idea!!! A child abuse data dump thread would both be a PR black eye, as well as an informational tool for lawyers and law enforcement!!!

    So who wants to start it? More importantly, do we already have one, and if we don't where should the new one go?
  8. FloGold Moderator

    I think the best thing to do to strat is to cross post our idea of a child abuse dump on the AvS section and ask for member that archive dox to please lend us any they have regarding children in the cult. Once that is done we can form teams to either A) hunt dowm more dox on child abuse or B) go through what we have here on WWP and organize it and all that good stuff.
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  9. FloGold Moderator

    I have a few websites already running regarding Anonymous Op's to stop child abuse. Maybe there?
  10. Anonymous Member

    I'm thinking perhaps a thread over in the child abuse/pedophile forum for discussion with referrals to dox elsewhere? I've noticed the comments we've gotten from people out of the blue regarding subjects like access and the mappins. It would be nice to continue to ally the high search ratings of WWP with a matter that falls in between two already established interests and which has been discussed on a number of long and relatively current threads. I have no dox to post except for a decent reading list for the curious, but would be happy to participate.

    Comment on the AvS thread would probably be helpful in seeing what sort of demand there might be.
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  11. Anonymous Member

    http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/isd/isd-5i.htm

    Appendix I
    Security Checks


    Security Check Children

    Bulletin September 21, 1961
    The following is a processing check for use on children.
    Be sure the child can understand the question. Re phrase it so he or she can understand it. The first question is the most potent.

    Children's Security Check Ages 6 - 12

    What has somebody told you not to tell?
    Have you ever decided you did not like some member of your family?
    Have you ever taken something belonging to somebody else and never given it back?
    Have you ever pretended to be sick (ill)?
    Have you ever made yourself sick (ill), or hurt yourself to make somebody sorry?
    Have you even wanted something every much, but never told anybody about it?
    Have you ever gotten yourself dirty on purpose?
    Have you ever refused to eat just to worry someone?
    Have you ever remembered something about yourself and not told anybody, because you thought they wouldn't believe you, or be angry at you?
    Have you ever refused to obey an order from someone you should obey?
    Have you ever told another child something that wasn't true, just to frighten or upset him?
    Have you ever bullied a smaller child?
    Have you ever deliberately got another child, or a grown-up, into trouble?
    Have you ever pestered grown people, who were trying to work?
    Have you ever been mean, or cruel, to an animal, bird or fish?
    Have you ever forgotten to give food or water to a pet entrusted to your care?
    Have you ever broken something belonging to someone else?
    Have you ever deliberately spoiled clothing of yours because you didn't like it?
    Do you have a secret?
    Have you ever noticed something wrong with your body that you were afraid to tell anybody about?
    Have you ever done anything you were very much ashamed of?
    Is there anything about you your parents could not understand, even if you told them?
    Have you ever failed to finish your schoolwork on time?
    Have you ever flunked an examination at school?
    Have you ever deliberately given a teacher trouble?
    Have you ever tried to make others dislike some teacher?
    Have you ever tried to make another child unpopular?
    Have you ever broken, damaged, or taken, any school property?
    Have you ever lied to a teacher?
    Have you ever been late to school, or late to a class?
    Have you ever stayed away from school, when you could have gone??
    Have you ever cheated by copying someone else's work, taking notes into an examination, or looking up answers in a book when you weren't supposed to?
    Have you ever spoiled things for somebody?
    Who have you made guilty?
    Have you ever done something you shouldn't when you were supposed to be in bed or asleep?
    Have you ever told others bad stories about someone?
    Have you ever tried to make others believe that your parents, or teachers, were cruel to you?
    Have you ever offered as an excuse for something you have done wrong that you are only a child, or that you haven't grown up yet?
    Have you ever felt that your parents and home were too good for you?
    Have you ever felt that your parents and home weren't good enough for you?
    Is there anything you should tell your parents, and never have?
    Have you ever done anything to some else's body that you shouldn't have?
    Have you ever told anyone that you did something, when you hadn't really done it?
    Have you ever told anyone that you hadn't done something which you really had done?
    Have you ever ganged up on another child and made fun of him because he was different from the rest of you?
    Have you ever made fun of another because of the way he looked?
    Have you ever decided never to talk to someone again?
    Have you ever made your parents or teachers work harder than they should?
    Have you ever decided that you were too bright, or too smart for the other kids?
    Have you ever annoyed an adult by something you did or said?
    Have you ever hurt a child?
    Have you ever mae a child cry?
    Have you ever made a child sulk?
    Have you ever kept another child from having something that really belonged to him?
    Have you ever found anything and failed to return it to its owner?
    Have you ever told stories about someone behind their back?
    Have you ever lied to escape blame?
    Have you ever not told the whole truth about something so as to protect someone?
    Have you ever felt ashamed of your parents?
    Have you ever disappointed your parents?
    Have you ever run away when you should have stayed?
    Have you ever felt sure your parents wouldn't understand something that had happened in school, so you didn't tell them?
    Have you ever not told teachers something about your family because they wouldn't understand it?
    Have you ever failed to keep another child's secret?
    Have you ever felt it was just no use talking to someone?
    Have you ever hurt someone you didn't mean to?
    Have you ever been sloppy about your clothes or possessions?
    Have you ever cried when you shouldn't have?
    Have you ever been a coward?
    Have you ever made too much fuss over a little hurt?
    Have you ever tried to make your parents believe you were doing better in school than you were?
    Have you ever told on anyone?
    Have you ever teased younger children?
    Have you ever mae a mess and not helped to clean it up?
    Have you ever broken or damaged something and never told anybody it was you who did it?
    Have you ever let someone else get punished for something you did?
    Have you ever cried till you got your own way?
    Have you ever decided "Someday, when I'm grown up, I'll get even"? If so, with whom?
    Have you ever picked on someone smaller than yourself?
    Have you ever upset anyone by throwing a temper tantrum?
    Have you ever hurt anyone by telling them you didn't love them any more?
    Have you ever made out that you were more badly damaged than you were in order to make someone stop picking on you?
    Have you ever pretended to like someone that you didn't like in order to satisfy your parents?
  12. ^^^^^^^^^^ Can you imagine running Hubbard's Children's 'security=check' on any child, for any reason? L. Ron Hubbard locked 4 year Derek Greene to two days locked in the filthy, dark, cold, disgusting anchor chain lockers of his fake navy's ship Apollo for the crime of inadvertently chewing on one of his telexes while the 'crew' did nothing. Scientology is rotten to the very core.

    L. Ron Hubbard: "A child is a big being in a child's body."



  13. Anonymous Member

  14. Anonymous Member

    i cannot stress enough that you might want to take any pertinent information that might possibly lead to investigations underground. there is at least one person claiming to be a critic who thoroughly screwed up a police and child services investigation of the cadet org in clearwater by posting online that the investigation was taking place. this alerted the scientologists who took care to make everything seem rosy.

    work quickly and quietly. work with as few people as possible and try to suss them out to make sure they can be trusted. if you can work by yourself? do that.

    good luck. this is near and dear to my heart.
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  15. SilentNoMore Member

    See I've learned watching the Warren Jeff's mess down in Texas and Utah that the quickest way to shine a light on the abuses of any one person, organization or government is to shine the light on what they are doing to the children, but the one thing you have to make certain of is that you vet all the abuses for absolute truthfulness before going public with them because false allegations, or even worse faking a call from a "member" to CPS is the quickest and fastest way for any type of protest movement to be discredited
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  16. RolandRB Member


    What's wrong with this thread?

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/scientology-child-abuse.103487/
  17. The first Ambassador of Unicef, He is my stable Datum, he is what I want to be, he is my hero

    edit: I cried again watching

  18. Disambiguation Global Moderator

    The Real CYS


    ...........................................Fantasy hit men......................

    I like this part especially



    Hi cys. You seem to be advocating hit men. We don't murder people here. Legal protests only, and this post is....strange.
    I'm deleting it.
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  19. You DO know that Scn is spying on this site, right? I know it's a couple years late, but that's what I would have said when the post was fresh.
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  20. We know, and thank you for being your beautiful self and a consideraded and caring human being.
  21. Many Sea Org members turn their children over at a young age to Scientology to be raised as Sea Org members. That's Karen de la Carriere's child in the red and white stripe tank top:

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  22. Roland was my friend .
    He was honest, loyal and trustworthy. A real gentleman to the end.
    And every single day I miss him.

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