Charleston Church Shooting

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by The Wrong Guy, Jun 18, 2015.

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  2. Who knows?! Stupidity has no limits
  3. You fascist dildo is off topic and should be moved to the dome.

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  4. No, no, no. Fascism is when a mob of drunken brownshirts come and break all your windows and haul your family off to a concentration camp, or arguably when a mob of indoctrinated scilons come and picket your neighbourhood and tell everyone you're guilty of heinous crimes they invented.

    Having your posts moved to the dome is an act of mercy and a civic duty.
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  5. Is it now? So what was against the rules for posting a picture of the charleston shooter and Why was it dome worthy?
  6. because the only one who cares
    That would be you
    Is too busy fucking the dog.
  7. I don't know. I was referring to your last posts ITT plus a few others I read, but why don't you ask a mod? We know it's always possible to sweep up a precious gem hidden among the trash when you're cleaning up.
  8. I have asked Ersatz but that was also moved to the dome or deleted without any reply lol
  9. I very much doubt anything got deleted by the mods, zombie9000.

    But I might not either feel inclined to rush my response to your queries if you called me a fascist dildo.
  10. He was asked yesterday, NOT today my friend
  11. Random guy Member

    The question is one of weight.

    The US flag is a representative of some very dubious things, invading peaceful countries, blatant breach of the Geneva Convention and genocide, but it is also a representative of a country who helped fight down to of the worst regimes this planet have seen (Imperial Japan, the Third Reich), took a principled legal stand in the aftermath (Nürenberg), rebuilt Europe (the Marshal Plan), put the first man on the Moon and was the leading light of the Western World for half a century.

    The Confederate flag is a representative of an army that attacked another nation to fight for the right to own people like cattle, for the opposition to civil rights for blacks and a general back up for where the flag of the before mentioned Third Reich is illegal to fly. On the positive side, it has stood for some college American football and low brow entertainment (Nascar, country music, driving around in huge, petrol guzzling pick-ups and public drinking).

    Now, feel free to assign numbers to those things...
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  12. White Tara Global Moderator

    Ok, volunteer mods do have lives too ya know, sometimes we can actually be longer than a day between logging in would you believe it!

    For the record yes when several mods are working on the fly cleaning up thread derails, some posts can get left behind and/or taken unintentionally with the derails. Try not to take it that personally mkay. Also please note when we are reading through a derailed thread a judgement call needs to be made as to if any given post is part of the sequence of derail conversation or part of the original on topic conversation. That might seem simple to do but damn if you guys cant waffle irrationally and make little to no sense from time to time. That BTW is why derails suck.

    Edit: I went back thru the dome Charleston threads to hunt down the original Dylan Roof image comparison pics and the fotoforensics link. It was a part a of the larger FALSEFLAG derail.

    Sequentially it went down like this. That heated debate and series of NoU's regarding the alternate narrative of the shooting, became an epic derail. We decided it should have its own thread upstairs and hence was re titled Charleston Shooting Alternate reality thread.Very soon thereafter it became mostly No U's and a flame war so understandably wound up in the dome as per usual. The Dylann Roof pics and fotoforensics link were very much central to that alternate reality thread. So in fact no mistake was made in the placement of that post.
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  13. ravenanon Member

  14. How is it derail to discuss if the shooting was real? (providing info)
    How is it normal for a mod to show biased opinion by calling it "alternative reality"?
    What rule was broken?

    Because you believe in one side of the story, you make decisions and judgments without even considering or commenting on the subject.
    What you (mods in general) showed here was that: "there is one truth, one view to this, whoever says otherwise is a conspiracy theorist".

    No hard feelings, just saying that it doesn't look good to dismiss info and label it,without even checking it. Consider this as feedback also for new users, or not.
    Anyway, thanks for answering.
  15. White Tara Global Moderator

    No dear. It became a new topic because like it or not it is an incredibly divisive subject matter and I might add an 'unsupported by dox assertion'. It stayed as a new discussion point until it became obviously derailed and a mere sideshow. Calling it The alternative reality thread was a way of indicating its point of difference. Titling it that was a tongue in cheek hat nod to the vaguely conspiracy theorist concept underpinning the newly formed thread.

    /derail :D
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  17. The Wrong Guy Member

    Why Wasn't Dylann Roof Charged With Terrorism? | The Intercept

    The Department of Justice charged Dylann Roof, the white 21-year-old man who allegedly gunned down nine black churchgoers in Charleston, South Carolina on June 17, with murder, attempted murder and use of a firearm, all in the commission of a hate crime. Attorney General Loretta Lynch announced the charges on Wednesday afternoon.

    But the DOJ did not charge Roof with domestic terrorism, or include terrorism in the indictment.

    Some media outlets, lawyers, public figures and activists have called for Roof to be charged not just with a hate crime, an illegal act “motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias,” but with the separate label of domestic terrorism. Critics contend that the label of terrorism is too often only applied to Islamic extremists, and not white supremacists or anti-government anarchists. Many were outraged after FBI Director James Comey balked at the term during a June 20 press conference, telling reporters he didn’t see the murders “as a political act,” a requirement he designated as necessary for terrorism.

    Roof’s crime certainly seems to fit the federal description of domestic terrorism, which the FBI defines as “activities … [that] involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law … appear intended to (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population, (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping.”

    Remember: Roof allegedly told a few friends that he intended the murder of the parishioners, attendees of historically black Emmanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, to “start a race war,” while his online “manifesto,” verified by the FBI, confirmed his motivations to intimidate and assassinate. He took as inspiration, among other things, George Zimmerman’s 2012 shooting of Trayvon Martin, the Confederate flag, the KKK and skinheads.

    It turns out there was one major obstacle in charging Roof with domestic terrorism: The crime does not exist.

    “As you know, there is no specific domestic terrorism statute,” said Lynch during the press conference to announce Roof’s indictment.

    Even when the USA Patriot Act, post 9/11, redefined terrorism to include domestic crimes, the provision simply allowed the government to investigate more broadly what it called “terrorism.” Actually charging someone with domestic terrorism remains a separate matter. Even criminals who use bombs or send money to ISIS — or Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev — are not charged with the crime of terrorism.

    Because Tsarnaev used bombs, the 30 federal charges against him — unlike Roof’s case — included charges of “using a weapon of mass destruction,” which is one of the few crimes specified in the U.S. criminal code section for terrorism. So it was accurate to say he was charged as a terrorist.

    But shootings, regardless of motivation, intention or number of deaths, likely don’t count. “It doesn’t seem like a shooting would fit,” says Faiza Patel, co-director of the Brennan Center’s Liberty and National Security Program. “Or else a lot of crime would get caught up” in the terrorism net, she tells me.

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  18. Terrorism:
    "the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal"

    1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
    2. the state of fear so produced.
    3. government or resistance to government by means of terror.
    The unofficial or unauthorized use of violence andintimidation in the pursuit of political aims.
  19. I say we hang em',
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  21. meep meep Member

    I I agree with Johnny some people are not quite human inspite of looks. He needs to leave our planet.
  22. The Wrong Guy Member

    Bree Newsome ‏@BreeNewsome 12 hours ago
    Thanks for all the prayers and words of support as Jimmy and I head to court for our first appearance!

    Bree Newsome ‏@BreeNewsome 9 hours ago
    As of now, Jimmy and I have a trial date set for November. Staying strong.

    Bree Newsome ‏@BreeNewsome 8 hours ago
    Jimmy and I are doing fine after our first court appearance. Thanks for the support, y'all!

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  23. The Wrong Guy Member

    Virginia shooting: Dead gunman's manifesto cites racial grievances, Charleston church attack | RT USA


    Vester Lee Flanagan, who was known on air under the name Bryce Williams, has reportedly cited Charleston church shooting as a trigger for his attack on WDBJ news crew. His tweets also reveal his frustrations.

    Flanagan wrote a 23-page manifesto, in which he details his grievances. He faxed it to ABC News about 2 hours after the shooting took place and called them on the phone, saying that authorities are after him and "all over the place" and hung up. ABC immediately sent the fax to the authorities.

    While ABC has not released the full text, they have published some excerpts. The shooter said that he was suffering from racial discrimination and sexual harassment at work, as a homosexual African-American.

    “Why did I do it? I put down a deposit for a gun on 6/19/15. The Church shooting in Charleston happened on 6/17/15…” Flanagan wrote, as reported by ABC. “What sent me over the top was the church shooting. And my hollow point bullets have the victims’ initials on them.

    “The church shooting was the tipping point…but my anger has been building steadily...I’ve been a human powder keg for a while…just waiting to go BOOM!!!!” Williams/Flanagan reportedly wrote.

    Flanagan was a disgruntled former employee of the journalists' TV station, WDBJ7. Williams was reportedly hired by the station in April 2012 and left in September 2013.

    Under the name of Bryce Williams, he posted videos of himself performing the shooting on Twitter before his account was suspended.


    He filed a lawsuit against WTCW-TV in Florida, alleging that he was terminated for racist reasons, and claiming that a producer had called him "monkey," and that he had heard a manager telling another black employee to "stop talking ebonics," according to TMZ. WTCW-TV denied that race had anything to do with his termination.

    WDBJ reported similar incidents of Flanagan making accusations of racism. "He quickly gathered a reputation as someone who was difficult to work with... He was looking for people to say things he could take offense to," WDBJ general manager Jeff Marks said. After numerous incidents of anger, WDBJ dismissed him. "He did not take that well. We had to call the police to escort him from the building," Marks said.

    After his dismissal, Flanagan filed a complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, but the EEOC found no evidence of wrongdoing by the network and "dismissed the claim out of hand."

    Flanagan shot himself during an encounter with the police on Interstate 66. He was taken to the Fairfax Inova Hospital and died at approximately 1:30 pm.

    Virginia shooting: Gunman dies in hospital | RT USA
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  24. BrainStorm Member

    “The church shooting was the tipping point…but my anger has been building steadily...I’ve been a human powder keg for a while…just waiting to go BOOM!!!!”
    lol this sounds so much like a fiction story
  25. BrainStorm Member

    Do you also see something odd with this FPS video?
  26. The Wrong Guy Member

    Charleston church shooter Dylann Roof sentenced to death | The Associated Press


    Dylann Roof has been sentenced to death by a federal jury for killing nine people during a Bible study session at Emanuel AME Church.

    Deliberations started around 1:35 p.m. Tuesday after Roof told jurors they had been misled by prosecutors about his alleged deep hatred of African-Americans.

    Roof, who is from the Columbia area, represented himself in the penalty phase of his hate crimes trial, giving a closing argument that lasted about five minutes. He argued that he has never said he hates African-Americans, but that “I don’t like what black people do.”

    “And anyone, including the prosecution, that thinks that I’m filled with hate has no idea what real hate is,” Roof said. “They don’t know anything about hate. They don’t know what real hatred looks like. They think they do. But they don’t, really.”

    Roof went on to tell the jury that he knew he had the right to ask them to give him a life sentence. But he said, “I’m not sure what good that would do.” He reminded the jury all he needs to get life in prison is for one person to disagree with prosecution’s request that he be sentenced to death.

    That case was made by lead prosecuting attorney Jay Richardson during his closing argument, which lasted two hours, before Roof gave his. Richardson went through every horrific detail revealed during the last month of the federal hate crimes trial of Roof, a Columbia-area man.

    Richardson noted Roof’s extensive planning, his continued lack of remorse and the damage he caused to the family members of the victims he killed.

    “We learned about the defendant’s cold and calculated choices that caused those losses to happen,” Richardson said. “His racist ideology the acquiring of that ideology, that’s part of his preparation that’s part of what led him to walk in that door at Mother Emanuel on June 17 (2015).”

    Richardson also noted how Roof spent time on racist websites, but also chose to create his own to continue spreading “his message of hate; his message of revenge; his message of agitation.”

    “He spent years acquiring this deep hatred,” Richardson said. “He ‘had to do it.’ Those are the words of an extraordinary racist.”

    After highlighting what the loss of every victim meant to their families, Richardson went on to enumerate reasons why Roof’s case qualifies for the death penalty. All the while, Roof, 22, sat motionless as Richardson listed the reasons why Roof should be put to death.
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  28. The Wrong Guy Member

    Dylann Roof's sister arrested for having drugs and weapons at school | CNN


    The sister of Charleston church shooter Dylann Roof was arrested Wednesday on charges of bringing weapons and drugs to her South Carolina high school, authorities said.

    Morgan Roof, 18, was arrested after a school resource officer at the A.C. Flora High School in Columbia, South Carolina was notified that Roof was carrying marijuana, pepper spray and a knife on campus, the Richland County Sheriff's Department said.

    Roof had also made an alarming Snapchat post expressing anger about the National School Walkout, The Post and Courier reported. A 17-minute walkout was staged at schools around the country on Wednesday to honor the 17 people killed at Florida's Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School last month and call for stricter gun control laws.

    No A.C. Flora High students were harmed Wednesday, authorities said.

    Roof was charged with simple possession of marijuana and two counts of carrying weapons on school grounds. A judge set a $5,000 bond for Roof under the condition that she would not return to the school, CNN affiliate WIS reported.

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