Casey Kasem Family Feud - Scientology Related?

Discussion in 'Celebrity News' started by ChurchOfCylontology, Jun 2, 2014.

  1. rickybobby Member

    It looks like all the children are united, and Jean is the only one that wants to continue this care. What if you are the children, you see the stepmother advocating for life prolonging treatments you KNOW your Dad wouldn't want, and she just can't understand that he is dying? Would you step in and allow feeding tubes? Breathing tubes and a ventilator? What about a PEG tube? These treatments only get more and more invasive, and they DO NOT increase the quality of life. From what I have read, this man is not going to recover, and his life is not going to get any better. Reports are that he now has a bedsore (it's hard to avoid them in old, frail and malnourished patients), which is painful in itself.

    It appears that he expressed a desire NOT to have life prolonging treatment, he has a terminal condition, and his wife wants to order the medical staff to continue with invasive procedures. Stopping some of these treatments are NOT hastening his death, it is simply allowing the man to die naturally, with a little bit of dignity. It does not mean that Jean does not love him, indeed, it may mean that she loves him enough that she just can't let him go if she can keep him alive one more day, even if there is no quality of life here.

    I think anyone who has witnessed this end of life decision making process firsthand has a very different take on this story than those to whom this is simply an intellectual exercise.
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  2. Missfit Member

    Are you speaking to me?
  3. rickybobby Member

    No, not specifically. I know I quoted you, but I simply used your post as a springboard for a broader discussion. This is an important issue and I think that smart, well meaning people can fall on either side of it.
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  4. White Tara Global Moderator

    One of the hardest positions to be in, deciding end of life for those we love. :(
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  5. DeathHamster Member

    All the children from the previous marriage, at least. I don't think Jean and Casey's daughter has been heard from in the current round of events.
  6. Missfit Member

    Gotcha. Just to clarify, I was speaking in terms of Kerri turning to the media in response to Jean, not the decision to discontinue treatment for her father. Casey Kasem's wishes are the only ones I give a shit about in this situation and from what we know Kerri is acting on behalf of them.

    That does not mean, however, that Kerri's motives and Casey's wishes don't align for different reasons. That's as far as I'm willing to go on that.
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  7. Missfit Member

    Liberty ( Jean and Casey's daughter) hasn't spoken out but I do believe she is with the family, I've seen Kerri bring her name up in interviews recently.
  8. The Wrong Guy Member

    Legal Battle Over Casey Kasem's Care Offers 3 Lessons | Advocacy | Alzheimer's | HealthCentral

    So what are the takeaways from this sad tale? Here are my thoughts:

    Make sure that you have all of your legal documents in order early. You need to take the time to complete all advance directives, which are written instructions that describe how you want health care decisions to be made if you become incapacitated. You need to complete a living will, which allows you to voice what kind of life-sustaining care you would want if injury or illness leaves you dying or in a persistent vegetative state with no hope of recovery. Another document that you need to complete is the power of attorney for health care. This document appoints someone to be your agent. This person will make all health care decisions for you if you lose the ability to make the decisions for yourself. A third document you need to complete is the power of attorney for finances and property, which appoints someone to handle your financial matters if you become incapacitated.

    Make sure that all of your family members hear directly from you about your wishes for your final days. Failing health often divides people since some family members and friends want every medical procedure done – and then some – to extend a loved one’s life, even if it diminishes the person’s quality of life. Having those conversations about your final wishes can be difficult but you need to have them with every family member, even those you are not really close to, in order to avoid what Mr. Kasem is facing.

    Caregivers need to really come to terms with death. The news reports seem to indicate that Jean Kasem really didn’t want to understand that her husband was dying and, instead, was holding out hope that some other treatment could be found to help him continue to live. While holding out hope, she may have allowed him to suffer greater physical harm through the development of the bed sore that became infected. Therefore, I believe that there comes a point when caregivers need to make the decision to let a loved one die. It’s not an easy decision to make, but it also is the right one for the loved one with dementia who is in failing health, for the caregiver and for the family.

    More at
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  9. rickybobby Member

    You add the media and PR people to this already stressful situation and you get this..... ABOMINATION.

    They live in the Hollywood bubble, where all drama is played out in the public eye. It's just all kinds of fucked up.
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  10. rickybobby Member

    OMG, THIS.

    I wish I had the ability to explain this as well as this correspondant did. Oh well,: maybe when I make it to OT VIII....
  11. White Tara Global Moderator

    OK just to muddy up the confusion, at the end stage of my loved ones life, the doctor applauded the fact that there was no advanced health directive. it seems that paliative physicians know a reasonable time and way to allow our loved ones to pass with dignity. In absense of a health directory they are free to make gentle and clear decisions in consultation with loved ones. Once and advanced health directive is in place they actually become more hamstrung by legal constraints. So for those with parents of advancing age I would suggest a meeting with your aged loved ones primary carer, to discuss precisely this befor you engage the lawyers to put and advanced healthcare order in place. Trust me, wading through this was an eyeopener about both the medico legal and the purist legal side of the equation.
    Each country will have different legislation so check with your loved ones primary carer before you make any decisions.
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  12. incog712 Member

    It's a mixed bag. The "hamstrung" business comes in when while being of sound mind a person makes out an advance directive requesting life sustaining procedures if incapacitated and then some time down the road, when they are clearly in the throes of death and the only thing continued healthcare can do is prolong their suffering through Frankensteinian means, practitioners find themselves obligated to continue, knowing full well how pointless those continued efforts are.

    Indeed, if there is no directive in place, physicians may have the option of working with family to accept the reality of such a situation, at least prior to the dying family member being placed on artificial life support. Once all of those tubes are connected, it's hell getting them disconnected in any case. And these days, it's possible to keep a pulse going in an otherwise stone cold dead person for an awfully long time.
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  13. White Tara Global Moderator

    Thank you for the clarification, As a non medical person, but from from a medical family its hard to understand what is happening let alone translate it for others. Suffice to say all people with aging loved ones need to speak frankly and possibly awkwardly with the primary health carer, and their loved one, clarity of mind providing, before installing legally binding documents.
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  14. nevarmore Member

    Been there, done that, and never, ever, ever want to have to make that decision FOR someone again. Ever. I shall spend the rest of my life wondering if I made the right decision. And logically, knowing I did, but in the wee wee hours of the morning, my heart has it doubts.
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  15. nevarmore Member

    Don't forget there are other avenues that loved ones come to this state of existance other than aging. Sudden illnesses, and unexpectred trauma can bring anyone to this point of decision making for other family members. That's why discussion with your family is so vital... talk about it, now, so somebody knows what you think and feel. Just in case old age is not the option.
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  16. If anything, the Kasem feud illustrates that even having an advance directive means shit when you have awful, greedy cult members as offspring. The discussion on having one vs not having one is good in theory but not that relative here because Casey Kasem had an advance directive, but his wife and daughter are still fighting in court over it.

    As far as a 'wrongful death' lolsuit.....hate to say it, but suing on that c/a will be a stretch if a judge doesn't laugh at the lolyers first. Wrongful death means that Jean's actions/negligence caused Kasem's death. The facts in this case do not support a wrongful death here. Jean was trying to keep him alive, and besides the guy is in end stage dementia. The dementia caused his death, not any action on the part of Jean.
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  18. rickybobby Member

    This may be an unpopular observation, but.....

    He raised the children who are involved in this controversy over his disposition. He chose to marry Jean. He apparently left enough doubt about his wishes so that they have cause to fight about what he might want.

    This is what happens when we ignore the fact that we are all going to die, and it might not be pretty.

    Just saying.
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  19. DeathHamster Member

    My mistake, she's one of Jean Kasem's lawyers.
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  20. The Wrong Guy Member

    Casey Kasem's Wife -- FEED MY HUSBAND! | TMZ

    Casey Kasem's wife has just filed legal docs begging for an order requiring doctors to provide her husband with nourishment so he won't die.

    Jean Kasem has filed legal docs -- obtained by TMZ -- asking the California Court of Appeal to reverse a judge's order allowing Casey's daughter to remove all life support, including food.

    Jean lost control of Casey recently because his daughter Kerri produced a document giving her control over his health care. But Jean now claims Kerri forged the doc.

    Jean says Casey is not at death's door. She says he can't speak but he communicates with her using a few words, hand signals, hand squeezing and facial expressions. She believes he could actually return home if he receives proper, aggressive care.

    Jean says in the docs if the court doesn't immediately order doctors to feed her husband, "it will lead to certain death."

    The legal docs say Casey is a member of the Druze religion, suggesting lack of treatment would go against his faith.


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  21. White Tara Global Moderator

    The daughter has been out of her fathers life for some time, yes? If so she should back the fuck off. That would be fully respecting her fathers wishes, even those that would remove her from his life. End of story.
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  22. rickybobby Member

    Druze? Really? Where the hell did THAT come from? Wtf?
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  23. DeathHamster Member

    Funny, he doesn't look druish... :cool:

    With a Lebanese background, it's quite possible.

    I hope she can prove that Kerri forged a document, because right now, it's still a she said / she said cat-fight, even if Kerri is lying about Scientology.
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  24. incog712 Member

    She probably shouldn't have played the Druze card. Religion can really muddle things up (ya think?). Is she Druze as well? If not, he'd likely have been excommunicated, even dating outside of the faith would be cause. As for some deep seated religious view on end of life issues, "Dru's" are more like scilons than fundies. It's pretty much a meat body thing. There are x number of souls, always, unchanging through reincarnation. Out of one taxi, into the next.
  25. moxie Member

    He is listed as Druze at Wikipedia.
    Note the last 2 precepts, numbers 6&7.

    The Druze follow seven precepts that are considered the core of the faith, and are perceived by them as the essence of the pillars of Islam. The Seven Druze precepts are:
    1. Veracity in speech and the truthfulness of the tongue.
    2. Protection and mutual aid to the brethren in faith.
    3. Renunciation of all forms of former worship (specifically, invalid creeds) and false belief.
    4. Repudiation of the devil (Iblis), and all forces of evil (translated from Arabic Toghyan meaning "despotism").
    5. Confession of God's unity.
    6. Acquiescence in God's acts no matter what they be.
    7. Absolute submission and resignation to God's divine will in both secret and public.[5
  26. vaLLarrr Member

    "truthfulness of the tongue"

    Well that's the opposite of $cientology already.
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  27. The Wrong Guy Member

    Casey Kasem's Body -- Family Feud Looming Even Before Death | TMZ

    Casey Kasem, the famed DJ who is near death, will probably not rest in peace, at least in the short term, because we've learned a massive fight is brewing over his body.

    Family sources tell TMZ Casey's will makes his wife Jean the executor, cutting Casey's kids out entirely. The will gives Jean, who is in a nuclear family war with the kids, the power to arrange for a proper funeral and burial

    Now here's the rub. Casey's daughter Kerri is currently Casey's conservator. When he dies, the conservatorship is terminated and Kerri loses all control over Casey's body. But Casey is currently at a hospice in Washington, under Kerri's watchful eye. When he dies, well, you know the adage -- possession is 9/10 of the law.

    Kerri says she'll abide by the terms of the will, but we're told Jean absolutely doesn't believe her and thinks everything is now all about a money grab on the part of Casey's daughters, and she's bracing for a fight over the body.
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  28. DeathHamster Member

    What's she going to do, sneak out with the body at 2:30 in the morning?
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  29. Mr. Magoo Member

    I just heard that Casey Kasem has passed on....
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  30. Home Celebrity Casey Kasem Finally at Peace, Now the Fight for His $80 Million...
    Casey Kasem Finally at Peace, Now the Fight for His $80 Million Estate Begins

    by Roger Friedman - June 15, 2014 11:09 am
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    Legendary deejay Casey Kasem has finally passed away at age 82. He’s at peace, after being tortured by his family in a tug of war that went public, became incredibly unseemly, and included meat being thrown down a Seattle driveway.
    His daughter Kerri released a statement on Facebook this morning: “Early this Father’s Day morning, our dad Casey Kasem passed away surrounded by family and friends. Even though we know he is in a better place and no longer suffering, we are heartbroken. Thank you for all your love, support and prayers. The world will miss Casey Kasem, an incredible talent and humanitarian; we will miss our Dad.”
    Now the fight begins for his money. This will pit his shall we say eccentric widow, Jean Kasem, who played a loon very well on “Cheers,” against his children. How long before they’re all in court? A day? Two?

  31. Missfit Member

    On father's day, none the less....... RIP Mr. Kasem
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  32. RIP Shaggy. We'll remember you with a sammich in your honor.
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  33. RightOn Member

    Interesting that Kasem's wife was in Cheers just like Krusty Alien was.
    She played Carla's (Rhea Pearlman) ex husband's new wife. The ditzy blonde
  34. DeathHamster Member

    Didn't Alley attempt to recruit the other cast members? That may be where Jean learned to distrust Scientology.
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  35. incog712 Member


    And lol, I wasn't attempting to paint Druze and scilons into the same corner above. Not many similarities to speak of, Only suggesting that Druze are geared towards reincarnation rather than resurrection/eternal afterlife, etc.

    Allowing a Druze to "drop his meat body" in peace and without technological interference would seem to be in alignment with those last two precepts. But it's open to interpretation.

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  36. White Tara Global Moderator

    :p And Hebbo to you too.
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  37. The wife had been married to Casey Kasem for 34 years and they have a legitimate daughter, Liberty. The other three kids from his previous marriage rarely saw their father, even when he was healthy, they rarely paid a visit. It was only recently that they decided to descend like a pack of money-grubbing scum bags on the scene so they could get their filthy hands on their father's money. Jean Kasem, the wife of 34 years, has been with him in sickness and in health. If she really wanted the money she could have divorced him 20 years ago and taken it all, or at least half. Of course she did not do this, she took her husband out of the nursing home in fear that his three kids from the previous marriage would play some sort of Power of Attorney card and remove him off his support, which in the end they (the kids) did anyway. Mr. Kasem did not have a terminal illness, he had dementia, and Parkinson's, but the money-grubbing kids saw their bit of inheritance dwindling away on their father's nursing home care and decided to jump in and preserve what estate inheritance remained. Kerri Kasem is the greediest whore of all, killing her own father for money.

  38. Can I have a side of boeuf haché jeté with my order, please?
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  39. incog712 Member

    He's pretty much dead, which more or less implies that his condition was terminal. Nursing homes nurse, they don't provide extensive ICU care for those on their last breath. Say what you will about our cultist friends, nobody killed this guy. He simply stopped breathing.
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  40. vaLLarrr Member

    Why aren't the media making the cult connection?

    Do they need poons?
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