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Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

Discussion in 'Freedom of Expression' started by moarxenu, Nov 4, 2009.

  1. Relyt Member

    Re: Viva la Revolution!

    There's already a thread on this (Might even be two).

    Also, COOL STORY BRO.
  2. YAHRLY Member

    Re: Viva la Revolution!

    yeah good thing it doesn't involve what Tom Cruise had for breakfast or there would be 12 threads and situation room

    this subject should have a million threads
  3. Anonymous Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    French and British Anons can now look forward to being disconnected from the internet with just three accusations of infringement by Scientology.

    And, this is trying to come to the U.S.

    Computerworld > ACTA morphs into an international copyright treaty

  4. Mutante Member

    Re: Viva la Revolution!

    Quite right too. Celebrity content or NYPA.
  5. Meatwad Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    And this is why you shouldn't get involved. I've been a member of Anonymous since SA started the first real movement. This is the only true way to handle this problem. The "war" you're talking about cannot be fought with the current numbers we have. And the war can DEFINITELY not be fought with the number of newfags and skids we have amongst us.

    Chanology has absolutely no chance of winning any "war" on this proposed bill, as we can't even successfully take down a cult in less than a year. I'm a realist. I'm not trying to cut us down, I'm merely stating the facts. The strides we have made in the fight against Scientology have been significant, and the biggest death blow will come from Chicago in a few months. Watch for it. But until then, the damage we have done so far is sizable. We need to focus or efforts on the problems at hand before taking on new ones. If we devote resources to ANOTHER cause, that depletes resources we have for this one. Some might say they can multitask and do both, but realistically this is grossly inefficient and false.

    True Anonymous (not Chanology faggots) will be able to handle this problem on their own. Since I've departed from most of the severe moralfaggotry, meme spewing, treehugging antics of 99% of Chanology, I'll be returning to my roots as a true Anon and fighting it with them. Scientology is still my #1 priority.

    tl;dr - You're a newfag and have no idea what you're talking about. GTFO
  6. Meatwad Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Chanology claims to be part of Anonymous. When I refer to Anonymous on these boards I am always, unless otherwise noted, referring to Chanology Anonymous, not real Anonymous.

    Chanology Anonymous has been experiencing declines in rl numbers since summer of last year. The numbers here are fewer. The real Anonymous, however, will never shrink in number. It can only grow.
  7. none given Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Same here.
    Bet we all do.
  8. Robocat Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Indeed. Taking the internets from the internet (us) would fail. The gov will nevar get away with controlling the interwebs.

    The only ones in favor would be folks like Disney.

    Everyone make a sekret treefort!
  9. YAHRLY Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    yeah because the government would never get away with taking over the banking industry , insurance industry, Auto industry, oh wait...
  10. Mutante Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Alex Jones was right all along.
  11. Anonymous Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    What? In that you wake up and Mr. Snowman is dead?
  12. Re: Viva la Revolution!

    What if I said so I herd Tom Cruise lieks censorship?
  13. Skeptic1337 Member

    Re: Viva la Revolution!

    The furries wouldn't be pleased.
  14. eleven Member

    Re: Viva la Revolution!

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  15. Hicks Member

    Re: Viva la Revolution!

    Moved to freedom of expression. Feel free to express yourself.
  16. Anonymous Member

    Re: Viva la Revolution!

    OP is a nigger lover
  17. JohnnyRUClear Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Thanks for the clarification.

    Chanology isn't shrinking in my area, but maybe we're the exception. In any case, this site continues to exceed my ability to keep up with everything, so I don't see any reason to complain yet. :) It'll be interesting to see how the endgame plays out; maybe some of the oldfags will return for the grand finale (if there is one), or maybe people will trickle out of Chanology in parallel with the shrinkage of the "clut" until both fizzle out together. Probably some mix of both?
  18. Re: Viva la Revolution!

    Jesus fucking christ, all these negative responses piss me the fuck off.

    Honestly, people, does anyone remember anything about where this all started? Well then let me explain. The Tom Cruise video was released, and immediately suppressed. Now, somewhere, in a small corner of the Internet there was a man named KoraX (KORAX > YOU) who dj'd for Raidchan Radio. He was, and still is, quite an epic person to know. Well, KoraX decided that this whole "CoS suppressing free speech thing" wasn't cool.... and he was probably drunk, which makes him angry. So he went on the radio and started telling people to DDoS the Church of Scientology. Actually, he raged about it for a long, long time. A channel started, etc etc, DDoS happened, the rest is history.

    All of this to say, it was the suppression of free speech, and the refusal by a man named KoraX to put up with it, that started all of this. Chanology, in its current form, cannot forget that this all started as an attempt to protect free speech. It wasn't about the CoS abusing their parishioners. It wasn't about DM being a fgt. It was about free speech. The fight for free speech is what lead to all of you having something to for the past two years. So shut the fuck right up, and pay some respect to the fight from which we were born: the fight for freedom of information/speech.

    *EDIT* also I know I'm going to get a huge flood of "ego fag" or whatever the hell else people are going to say, but for a cause like this, its worth it. Seriously people.
  19. Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Numbers in Melbourne Chanology have been growing. September we had 45 and October we had 50-60 people there. This month we're expecting slightly higher.
  20. Mister B Member

    Re: Viva la Revolution!

    ITT: Chanology history lesson from someone who bailed for a long time.


    But in all seriousness. I do have to agree! This started with free speech and many people who are still in Chanology, are fighting for that reason. However, it has changed so much into something similar to OCMB/ExScn, that it's kind of an amalgam of the two. Sadly, the loudest voices on this forum lean more towards the "Evil cult go away" part, where as in the beginning, it was more about free speech and freedom of information on the web.

    I don't think many people realize how easily all this access online could be easily taken away if the powers of the world wanted it to. Most of the decision makers are/were too old to really get this whole "series of tubes" thing, but in the last decade, the infrastructure of information has been under attack, and legal actions like the OP is mentioning is huge! People don't like having their rights taken away, just as much as some Powers in the world don't like the people having so much access. The internet came out of no where for some of these Powers.


    It's our responsibility, privilege, and goddamn born right to defend and fight for this access of knowledge and information!

    CoS is absolutely outrageous but this far more detrimental than anything CoS, in its current form, could do to the world.
  21. Anonymous Member

    Re: Viva la Revolution!

    This is to inform MS about the state-of-play of the internet enforcement chapter that
    should be discussed at the next ACTA negotiating round in Seoul, Korea.
    On 22-24 September, DG Trade participated in the EU-US IPR Working Group,
    which took place in Washington. In a side meeting with the USTR (US lead
    negotiators on ACTA), at their request, the US colleagues informed us about the
    progress in the preparation of a draft text of the future Internet Chapter of ACTA.
    US reported that they have been working on a draft text since the end of the 5th round
    (end of July) and that this was basically finalised. However, they are still involved in
    internal consultations with other government agencies and a number of private
    stakeholders (bound to strict confidentiality clauses), therefore they were not willing
    to share with COM (or even to show us) the text at this stage.
    USTR indicated that these internal discussions were sensitive due to different points
    of view regarding the internet chapter both within the Administration, with Congress
    and among stakeholders (content providers on one side, supporters of internet
    "freedom" on the other). Consequently, they have to delay the release of the initial
    text longer than initially expected. US expects the text to be circulated within the next
    2 weeks. COM noted that if the text is received only 4 weeks before the next round,
    this will not be sufficient to conclude internal EU discussions and therefore to present
    written counterproposals (if any) in Seoul. US acknowledged the issue.
    This being said, the US nevertheless provided a detailed oral description of the text.
    Below is a report of such description. It is stressed that this report is provided as an
    advance-warning and a preliminary indication of the content of US proposal, but since
    it results from an oral presentation it may not fully reflect the final draft and should be
    analysed accordingly.
    The draft internet text is around 3 pages long and it was generally modelled on the
    respective section of the recently concluded US-Korea Free Trade Agreement
    (KORUS)1 (Chapter 18), however, in a "simpler" and "shorter" manner. It consists of
    the following sections:
    Section 1: Baseline obligations inspired by article 41 TRIPs, imposing adequate
    and effective legal remedies, as provided in relevant sections of ACTA (civil, penal),
    for internet infringements.
    Section 2: ACTA members have to provide for third-party liability.
    Section 3: Safe-harbours for liability regarding ISPs, based on Section 512 of the
    Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)2, including a preamble about the balance
    1 Available at
    http://www.ustr.gov/sites/default/files/uploads/agreements/fta/korus/asset_upload_file273_12717.pdf
    2 The DMCA is the US domestic law implementing the WIPO internet treaties and regulating, inter alia, copyright
    issues on the internet. Available at: Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
    between the interests of internet service providers (ISPs) and right-holders. See also
    KORUS Chapter 18.10.30. According to US, the language proposed is somewhere in
    the "middle" between the WIPO internet treaties, KORUS and the DMCA, which
    probably means that it is more detailed than the first but not as specific as the latter.
    ISPs are defined as in Section 512 (k) of DMCA3
    On the limitations from 3rd party liability: to benefit from safe-harbours, ISPs need to
    put in place policies to deter unauthorised storage and transmission of IP infringing
    content (ex: clauses in customers' contracts allowing, inter alia, a graduated
    response). From what we understood, the US will not propose that authorities need to
    create such systems. Instead they require some self-regulation by ISPs.
    This Section 3 should also contain "broad" provisions regarding notice-and-takedown
    mechanisms.
    Section 4: Will focus on technical protection measures (TPMs). Language
    inspired by US-Jordan Free-Trade Agreement (article 4.13)4, as well as by the WIPO
    Internet Treaties (articles 11 WCT and 18 WPPT):
    - Parties to provide adequate civil and criminal remedies that are specific to
    TPM infringements, i.e. treat these as separate offenses form "general"
    copyright infringements.
    - TPM infringements would be: (i) prohibition of circumvention of access
    controls and; (ii) prohibition of manufacture and trafficking of circumventing
    DRM devices.
    - There will be exceptions to these prohibitions available to ACTA members.
    - "Fair use" will not be circumscribed.
    - There will be no obligation for hardware manufacturers to ensure
    interoperability of TPMs.
    Section 5: Will focus on Rights' Management. Language inspired by US-Jordan
    Free-Trade Agreement (article 4.13)5, as well as by the WIPO Internet Treaties
    (articles 11 WCT and 18 WPPT):
    - Parties to provide adequate civil and criminal remedies for rights' management
    infringements.
    - Right' management infringements would be stripping (works?) of rights'
    management information
    As agreed among ACTA participants, the negotiating papers are not public documents
    and therefore should be treated with reserve.
    ___________________
    3 See Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
    4 Available at: http://www.ustr.gov/webfm_send/1041
    5 Available at: http://www.ustr.gov/webfm_send/1041

    This i think looks unworkable
    The public backlash will be vast
  22. Anonymous Member

    Re: Viva la Revolution!

    Protip: Use the spacebar to avoid danger!
  23. Ironhead Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    THIS IS MADNESS!!
    this_is_madness.jpg


    lol, no not really this is the way of the world since forever. the "haves" trying to protect what they got by fuckin over the "have nots". really appreciate how they kept it a secret, just like the scilons they've figured out that the best way to keep people in check is by keeping them in the dark.

    how ironic, the people of america voted a man into the white house hoping there would be "change", yet it seems The Who was bang on when they said "meet the new boss, same as the old boss". I'm not american, but I like to think I would have at the time voted for Obama if I was, how naive. so many seem to fall into the same trap time after time, we listen to silver tongued politicians speak of change, and we assume it's going to be change for the better...we assume they will protect the interests of the people who voted them in, all the while not even looking at where their campaign funding comes from...

    I'm sure there would be an uproar at first, but honestly who are we kidding, they got money and we don't. they do what they want, when they want and it doesn't matter how much awareness you spread, or how many websites you hack, or how many news reports there are. money talks, and once it goes into the right pockets, that's when money has spoken. that's why Co$ is still standing.

    perhaps I'm just a cynic. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.
  24. Anonymous Member

    Re: Viva la Revolution!

    T H A N K S
  25. Anonymous Member

    Re: Viva la Revolution!

    Instead they require some self-regulation by ISPs.

    Interesting
  26. parvent Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Unless you haven't noticed, ACTA IS Scientology, through the back door.
  27. whosit Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.


    Hopefully, you're just cynical. While this isn't just strictly an American issue (i.e. other countries involved in this treaty), people can make a difference. People make fun of the "teabaggers" but there is a reason why the US Health Care bill was voted on on a Saturday night at midnight (please note: not making this a political issue, just pointing out the obvious).

    No, its not.
  28. Meatwad Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Np. I really don't want to sound like a downer, nor do I want to sound like someone who is dissenting. I am just merely stating my observations throughout the history of the Project.

    This is fantastic. I just wish our numbers of actual protesters would go up.

    I'm the greatest troll in the world bitch. You def can't troll a troll. Especially not this one.
  29. Anonymous Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.


    it's cute how you still protest
  30. Ironhead Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    you're correct it will greatly affect us up north, it's a world issue for sure. it would be a long hard road, but worth traveling, a fight worth fighting. but my god...the sheer logistics of it are unfathomable.

    same shit different pile, it seems the more sophisticated the medium though, the bigger the pile.
    record companies had this fight with radio stations, the makers of tape cassetes, and then it was CD burners, and now it's the internet...the scope of the fight gets bigger and bigger everytime though.

    I think that the ones who are pushing for this bill to pass are stubornly refusing to evolve, and therefore they deserve to go extinct. they had their time, they made their money, but now the future is here, and they need to accept that. evolve or gtfo.

    but nooooooooo. old man (insert name of what ever ceo of a major global conglomerate you chose here) has to tear down the tree fort that is our internet, because it's blocking his view of his giant mountain of money. why oh why would they want to back us into a corner like this?

    this wont end well.
  31. whosit Member

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    agreed :)

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  32. Anonymous Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Fix'd
  33. Anonymous Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    “Big music and movie interests, and other content producers, are conducting a global campaign to put their interests ahead of citizens rights to use the internet and to not be subject to unreasonable and arbitrary penalties that do nothing for public interest,” Mr Carter

    NZ should not sign international piracy agreement | The National Business Review - New Zealand - business, markets, finance, politics, property, technology and more
  34. Anonymous Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Some Anons have been working on this. It's on either insurgen, 888chan, or 000chan. The idea is to create a separate Internet where each person is an ISP. Feasible in theory. It's kind of like an advanced for of Tor. See, the way it is now, you communicate with the ISP, which relays your information to the destination's ISP, which sends it to the destination computer. This creates bottlenecks at the ISPs, allowing government to control the flow of information there.

    What this plan would do though is eliminate and have each person communicate through those around them. Right now there are only a few of these, and the network is slow. But the more people join in, the more connections there will be, and the faster it will be. Look around those sites I mentioned. I'm pretty sure one of them has a page on it.
  35. JohnnyRUClear Member

    Re: Viva la Revolution!

    I don't see that as sad at all. It's like, if a giant octopus tentacle brushed against your leg, and started annoying you, and you said EWWWW -- DO NOT WANT and chopped off the end of the tentacle, and then you were all YAAAAY GO ME I PWN... but then you were like hmmmm, w8; octopus tentacles are usually attached to... an octopus!!!!one!wtfbbq so you went to hunt down the octopus that used to be attached to the tentacle. Point being, the octocult tentacle of messing with freedom of speech was what first annoyed Anonymous, but that led naturally to the octopus head itself: Hubbard and his insane dreck. Having been provoked by the tentacle, it was inevitable that the battle would come to the head (or, in this case, the mini-me replacement head) of the octopus.

    Ehhhhhhhhh....

    Cheers for the public \ but can a brother get a TL;DR on that post??
  36. Anonymous Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    WWP is not known for having much of a welcoming committee...
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  38. 4Dlulz Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    thank you! as I have said, true anonymous rules the web, WWP is just one of the first to breach the IRL/OL barrier.
    second, if this happens, it will be the most epic footbullet ever. because you will get ALL of the true anonymous, every member of the chans, sciipt kiddie to the high level 1337 hackers enraged. Which will lead to a e rape of such epic proportions, the world could not the epiciness
  39. RedOrbifold Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    that's something I could get on board...
    if you can't control your internet, become the internet
  40. YAHRLY Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    you realize of course the monumental undertaking this would be right?

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