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Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

Discussion in 'Freedom of Expression' started by moarxenu, Nov 4, 2009.

  1. moarxenu Member

    Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    From Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Moar lings at the article

    Commenter anonymous writes:


    Constitutional law professor Glenn Reynolds at Instapundit writes:

    For excellent background on ACTA and the threat it poses see Electronic Freedom Foundation's Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement
  2. thetanmonger Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Bump; Death to that bill / law! If it does pass our mission should be to hijack the wifi of all major influences and have their internet cut off for piracy lol.
  3. Anon1260 Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Is it feasible to invent a peer-to-peer version of the internet, in which each individual node is in effect an ISP?

    1260
  4. Anonymous Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Just get a VPN tunnel and you are good to go :)
  5. RedOrbifold Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    I was just about to post this...

    yep, this is VERY bad.

    I'll exerpt some nice quotes from the article comments sections

    brb, editing tags
  6. moarxenu Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Excellent post, RedOrbifold!
  7. RedOrbifold Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    one of those quotes is mine.
    I'm not saying which, but it should be pretty easy to guess.

    anyway, someone else mentioned that this may well be the straw that breaks the camel's back, pissing off some really nasty camel rider. causing that camel rider to go ballistic and smash computers in front of congress, ddos important things and hold massive intercommunity protests.

    honestly, one massive raid where everyone who gives a crap about the internet decided to show up would be pretty awesome... but I think there would be logistical problems in keeping the groups peaceful with each other.
  8. coskilla Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    From the E.F.F. if you know who they are

    Leaked ACTA Internet Provisions: Three Strikes and a Global DMCA | Electronic Frontier Foundation


    "The safe harbors in the US Copyright law require ISPs to adopt and reasonably implement a policy for termination of “repeat infringers” “in appropriate circumstances”. US law currently gives ISPs considerable flexibility to determine what are “appropriate circumstances” justifying the termination of a customer’s Internet account. If the leak reports are correct, this would no longer be true. Instead, ISPs would be required to automatically terminate a customer upon a rightsholders’ repeat allegation of copyright infringement at a particular IP address."
  9. Olrik Member

  10. RedOrbifold Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    I like obama, I really do. He's got a firm understanding of what is important, regardless of what the public thinks is important... but the public IS the internet.

    it's unfortunate that governments (globally) are so conservative in changing laws to accomidate new mediums.

    by the way, Mr Obama, corporate/governmental control over internet content is NOT democratic, NOT socialist, NOT fair and NOT appreciated. Please cease your actions and reverse the damage you have done to copyright freedoms immediately.
  11. Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    This is all just word of mouth right now though, right? Are we even sure this is legit?
  12. moarxenu Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    megaphonebitch got this exactly right in his great State of the Insurgency Address:

    Text and background at The Anonymous Revolution.

    Here is the video:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPtb_f3Z9pU&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube - SF Anon Speech Made of Awesome[/ame]
  13. RedOrbifold Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    I have no reason to doubt the /. on this. it's a pretty hard thing to make up and there is a fairly direct link to the document's contents.

    of course, there's no scanned photocopy or anything like that, but I'm pretty sure it's legit
  14. Anonymous Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Too funny, its only going to get better.
  15. Rhamni Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Hm. Well, I'm not in a democracy right now, so I'm not about to suggest everybody do something illegal, but anyway. Yeah, let's do something. Preferably something us non-hacker-moralfags can be part of.

    You got the damn peace prize, Obama. That's a bribe, and you took it. You're supposed to uphold your end of this and not go all sinister on us.
  16. BahamutXone Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Oh dear sweet mother of Xenu. Someone fire up the Ion Cannons.
  17. SickLab Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Keep the partisan faggotry for another forum. thx all.
  18. Anonymous Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    I like the way you talk. Ultimately, the problem is private interests having an undue influence over public policies. The really scary thing is how difficult it is to undo, when private interests influence the law to their advantage. A lot of current ongoing various public debates demonstrate exactly this.
  19. Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Fair enough. Just trying not to jump to any conclusions.
  20. Anonymous Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    They say they are keeping it secret for National Security but the group that seems to benefit the most from this would be RIAA and the MPAA.
  21. Anonymous Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    you vote for a corrupt big government nanny stater you GET a corrupt big government nanny stater

    stop making excuses for your black Jesus, this typical power and control grab that has been par for the course for this state worshipping big brother socialist administration.

    FINALLY the internet basement dweller have gotten a clue
  22. Herro Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Don't forget who owns all the infrastructure. Hint- it ain't you or any of the other basement dwellers. Don't rely upon these silly ideas. Fight back.
  23. moarxenu Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    QFFT
  24. Rhamni Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Is he...? is Herro...?

    The fuck. I know it's a bad thing if this goes through, so why do I feel my conviction evaporate the moment Herro encourages us?

    Troll troll is troll.
  25. Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Just ignore it, this time. There's one [strike]mod[/strike] person that uses the herro account who dosen't quite understand how to consistently play the character correctly.
  26. Anonymous Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    fat
  27. Anonymous Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Remember, Remember, the FIFTH of November....
  28. moose Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    so, who is behind all this?
    probably some lobbyist group.
    WHO SHOULD GET A PIZZA?
  29. J. Swift Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    This is a two-edged sword.

    All corporations are Scientology-like to a greater or lesser extent. Someday "Scientology"will serve as a word to define any form of corporate fascism, greed, and abuse of copyrights, religion, and exploitation of employees and members. Someday we will call corporate CEO's "Scientologists" in the same way in which Anonymous presently calls people faggots. In some sense, Sumner Redstone is a Scientologist for filing his $1 billion dollar lawsuit against Google. Redstone is an incalculably more powerful version of David Miscavige. Redstone is Meade Emory, Larry Hiller, and Tommy Davis rolled into one with 40 years of age and vastly superior treachery added. Mr. Redstone could eat all of them for breakfast and then consume Norton Karno, Leon Misterek, and Monique Yingling for lunch and still not be sated. He would need to additionally consume Gerry Feffer to actually experience satisfaction with lunch. A man who can sue Google for one billion dollars in a copyright lawsuit -- and Google is afraid of Redstone and his lawsuit -- is, in some sense, the penultimate once and future Scientologist.

    Someday, a movie studio will attempt to crucify an American ten year old kid because the kid got excited about the new movie Lion Queen XII and posted a clip online using his easy-to-use Apple laptop and its potent reproductive capabilities, reproductive capabilities that movies studios and other corporations want spayed and neutered in all personal computers. The Vast Conspiracy want pc's treated like pets: Spayed and neutered at birth; licensed; injected with the rabies serum of a net nanny program; kept locked up in a backyard whose fences are made of dumbed-down processors and software; and destroyed if they bare their semiconductor fangs and bite a copyright. Society cannot have either rabid or mad pc's running around on our streets!

    This kid will be crucified and suddenly every soccer mom in the US will be furious with an unholy duo of, say, Paramounted Studios and Mc Donnies'. These moms will talk at church, health clubs, and PTA's and will use the net to extract their revenge. They will engage in a massive, crippling boycott of the movie Lion Queen XII and tank Mc Donnie's earnings overnight by refusing to buy Fun Meals with the Lion Queen XII toy or anything else. They movie's stars will get Tomcruised, which is to say steamrolled. They will go on Oprah and beg for forgiveness.

    People like me will post at financial blogs about how Paramounted and Mc Donnies stock have AIDS and should be dumped before the bottom falls out. Really, we will argue, if the CEO's greenlighted the crucifixion of ten year Timmy and his family because Timmy used his Apple laptop to post a scene from Lion Queen XII, then these companies lack compassion, are not green, and their CEO's ties are crooked and their flies are unzipped. They are slobs who need to be booted out by the Board. These companies need to apologize, make amends. Oh and BTW, did I say their stock has AIDS and that Sony and Burger King look like a much better buy?

    *****
    The costs and PR risks of any company litigating and fighting internet-based consumer boycotts of their movie, artist, or latest product, as well as getting their systems hacked, perhaps even by an irate employee w/a thumb drive, in retaliation makes this a two-edged sword. Taking away an internet connection is the digital equivalent of turning off the water or electricity to a home out of spite.

    The "Scientologization" of a company can happen. Chanology now has a template for social and internet action that is interesting. What happens when 100,000+ people globally show up at theaters and Corporate HQ to tell the world that the Movie Stars, the Director, and the Producers of Lion Queen XII are evil people who crucified Little Timmy?

    The Vast Conspiracy is made of people who can and will leak. The Vast Conspiracy is organically rooted in humanity. Until the Vast Conspiracy is operated by Evil Robots, even the most draconian laws are risky to enforce if an outraged public and employees push back hard. Chanology was ahead of the times in its battle against Scientology. This event is a microcosm, a template, of an electronic bio-future in which the Masses fight the Corporations using extraordinarily overt, complex, and fully legal means to Scientologize offending corporations.

    I have no idea what a VPN Tunnel is, but if I were a CEO, I would visualize people electronically digging into my computers. I would be worried. Maybe we need to rethink this and give Little Timmy a quiet rebuke and then do some PR photos where he gets a free Fun Meal and we say it was all worked out amicably and was, you see, a misunderstanding. My company, after all, remains committed to families, green technology, and the planting of trees, lots and lots of leafy green trees that were made from recycled paper.

    *****
    Do not think that corporate lawyers and CEO's everywhere have not taken quiet notice of what has happened between Chanology and Scientology. History has always been a battle between competing "ologies" and it is no different here.

    Somewhere in Washington D.C., it is likely that lobbyists circuitoulsy connected to Scientology presented their case for this new copyright treaty. In a bar somewhere near the Capital, these same Cult lobbyists talked to record company, movie company, and other lobbyists and agreed that "this internet thing" has gone too far and needs to be stopped.

    These people believe that "too much" Freedom is a bad thing. Gov't regulators see the internet as a vast untaxed entity that needs to be taxed. This treaty looks like the first major Corporate/Gov't dogpile on the internet since the DMCA laws.

    These regulators and corporations are the dinosaurs mired in personal and collective IP tar pits and do not realize it yet. They think it is still 1955 where de facto monopolies have rights that are commensurate with their abilities to grease the right palms. They are mired in the tar and sinking fast. They think the internet is to blame. It never occurs to them that they are to blame for having created a dishonest production and distribution model that steals from artists and writers, massively overcharges for popcorn and soda, and rewards formulaic entertainment and sequels. Movie and record industry execs are certainly involved. Indeed, citing "national security" as a pretext to protect music and movies comes straight out of Hollywood. In this vein, I am quite certain that the Church of Scientology needs to be protected as a matter of national security as well. I mean, if the Terrorists ever learn the secrets of the e-meter and the tech, we are all surely doomed!


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  30. Anonymous Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    I was actually going to read the TL;DR until I got to.

    To moose:

    I hope lobbyist wouldn't be involved in something that is being kept secret for "National Security", but somehow I think they are.

    *************

    Someone did point out on the Slashdot comments that all references to this are pointing back to the same spot. Haven't gotten through all of them so I don't know if there is a second source on this. It would really nice if there was an actual second separate source on this.
  31. webkilla Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    to OP:

    fuck whatever cause-fag things he can direct where chanology goes and what it targets

    no anonymous person directs the whole
  32. anon0004 Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    we will need a shitloads of VPNs

    We should consider building our own darknet, before its too late.
  33. Anonymous Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Come up to the present. Peer-to-peer internet is already a reality, and it requires no infrastructure.

    If this passes, there will be a new internet.
  34. Herro Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    So computers are telepathic now? And just how easy will this be to access for your average person? And just how much traffic will it be able to support?

    You're right, it takes at least three or four people to direct the whole.
  35. Anonymous Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.


    How does it not require infrastructure???????
  36. J. Swift Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    Because it will be mocked up and operate on massless, invisible theta routers!
  37. Anonymous Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    don't forget which corporate body lobbied for, paid big moneys towards and in every way possible furthered the cause of these draconian copyright laws being brought into existence in the first place...

    yes, scientology was at the very heart of all this shit, right from the get go. funding the RIAA etc
    all to protect their precious fucking xenu crap
    do no forget evar
  38. RedOrbifold Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    this is freedom of expression subforum, not scientology,

    albeit related, it's not the point here.

    if this does go through, and somehow people manage to keep it under control and ban enough users to make everyone scared, the user generated content side of the internet is gone.

    I saw one suggestion for wireless internet on the comments page.
    a decent idea, but mostly useless because it pretty much means you'd need a router every hundred meters or so...

    the point I'm failing to make is that if this gets through without resistance, it will be too late to turn it around.
    so go print off a few interesting posters with a few website links and staple them to places, things, people. let others know.
  39. Anonymous Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    ^ good call. Couple of colleges nearby would be very interested in this.
  40. RedOrbifold Member

    Re: Boing Boing: Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

    just tell them that their beloved chans, blogs, deviantart and collegehumour would be threatened and they'll jump on it

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