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Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker Visa program for 5 years

Discussion in 'Leaks & Legal' started by OTBT, Jun 4, 2009.

  1. OTBT Member

    Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker Visa program for 5 years

    EDIT / UPDATE /

    On October 7th, this program was extended for another 3 years.


    FY2010 Conference Summary: Homeland Security Appropriations


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    tl;dr - The Nonminister Religious Worker visa program is set to expire in September; Congress [debates] extending this program for another 5 years.

    [Mod edit: This is important because Scientology has - with some limited success - abused the program to import their slave labor to the US.
    Writing your representatives is highly encouraged. See also
    Research re Human Trafficking, Church of Scientology
    Visa research, Church of Scientology, Religious Worker visas
    -- ARC]


    Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

    The Oh Law Firm

    For reference, here is an earlier thread on this

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/123-...orker-visas-eliminated-march-september-38296/
  2. Anonymous Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    damn.
  3. Anonymous Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    inb4osainvadedcongress
  4. OTBT Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    I just stumbled on this old government web page, regarding career opportunities for legitimate Religious Workers. Try comparing these salaries to Sea Org earnings:

    Careers - #323 - RELIGIOUS WORKER

    For comparison, here are some actual wages of Sea Org "Religious Worker" employees:

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/123-...-org-members-w-2-pay-statement-amounts-39100/

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/7-chit-chat/smi-staff-pay-2000-2001-a-38947/


    There is a whole lot of info on this old government web page above, regarding legitimate Religious Workers. Again, try comparing the legitimate duties discussed with Sea Org duties.
  5. Skeptic1337 Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    You know...the LV anons have that union picketing outside that org right? None payment.

    Informing them that not only are they not being paid but they're looking for congress to allow them to bring in slave labor in.

    The hedley suit might be worth while to toss in on this as well.

    You know so that people who would like to get paid can express their dissatisfaction to their local congressman.
  6. Ramona Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    All Amerifags, you may use this as a template, and send e-mails to your Congresspeople.

    Dear Congressman/woman _______,

    I write urgently to you now in regard to what may seem like a relatively minor House Resolution, introduced on June 3, 2009 by Mr. Giffords of Arizona. House Resolution 2679, "To extend certain immigration programs, and for other purposes," may in fact be a perfectly acceptable Resolution, but for one section:

    SEC. 3. SPECIAL IMMIGRANT NONMINISTER RELIGIOUS WORKER PROGRAM.

    Subclauses (II) and (III) of section 101(a)(27)(C)(ii) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(27)(C)(ii)) are amended by striking `September 30, 2009,' each place such term appears and inserting `September 30, 2014,'.

    The problem with Section 3 of this Resolution is that it keeps the door open to the Church of Scientology's open gaming of the Religious Worker visa, which it practices routinely as a means of more easily bringing its staff members into the United States. Indeed, the passing of a Resolution with this Section intact would seem a gift to Scientology. There have been numerous cases in recent years of Scientology playing fast and loose with the facts as it sometimes succeeds, and sometimes fails, in bringing its "Sea Organization" staff members into the USA. The abuses that go on daily in the "Sea Org" are beyond the scope of this letter, though they are significant and should certainly be investigated, but I urge you, if you plan to vote for this Resolution, first get Section 3 removed from it. Let those previous subclauses of the Immigration and Nationality Act expire on September 30, 2009, as was planned for them under the previous legislation.

    Here are a few links that will help you in researching the issue:

    Visa research, Church of Scientology, Religious Worker visas
    Research re Human Trafficking, Church of Scientology
    Scientology and religious workers visas, by Jeff Jacobsen

    Many thanks for your urgent consideration of this matter.

    With best regards,

    Me

    PS: I'M NOT FUCKING KIDDING!!1!!
  7. Anonymous Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    bump

  8. RightOn Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    5 more years??? ffffuuuuuuuu

    Good letter Ramona!
  9. OTBT Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    Update on this. Note, there are 2 other immigration proposals lumped together with the Nonimmigrant Religious Worker Visa program. All 3 visa programs are set to expire later this year.

    For anyone new wondering what this is about, scientology management uses the R-1 (Religious Worker) visa program to import foreign Sea Org slave labor into the USA.


    The Oh Law Firm


    Also for info, the E-verify procedure mentioned above is part of the computerization process that US Immigration is updating to. Computerization of immigration records is useful, see earlier thread on this:

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/7-chit-chat/religious-worker-visa-fraud-effectively-reduced-43280/
  10. OTBT Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    Here is the official update / status from Congress. 3 Committees are debating this bill.

    Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

  11. AnonLover Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    Pro-scilon Congressman Trent Franks - 2nd District of Arizona, from the US Congress Baww Letter to French is also on the house judiciary committee :(
  12. AnonLover Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    For letter writing fags not afraid to reach out to your congress critters, here's the relevant links to look up & see if any of your reps are in the mix

    Judiciary Committee Members

    Committee on Education and Labor Members

    Committee on Ways & Means Members


    woohoo - one of my very own critters finally does something relevant to my interests!!
  13. OTBT Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    Wall of text below is relevant to the current congressional debate involving renewal of the Nonminister Religious Worker Visa program. The Religious Worker section is only one small part of the bill. Other parts of the bill want to centralize the immigration processing procedures.

    Other parts of the bill, which will probably be debated heatedly in the 3 congressional committees, include sections related to national security.

    Sorry, I don't know how to tl;dr the text below. It's not directly related to the bill, but helps show that renewing the Nonimmigrant Religious Worker Visa program will not be easy for Congress to pass, partly because the bill involves multiple sections not relating to R-1 visas; the USCIS E-Verify system involves some controversy.

    The Oh Law Firm

    Back on track, you can read the entire bill here; the Nonimmigrant Religious Worker visa program is only one small section of the bill. If the bill is not passed, the Nonimmigrant Religious Worker Visa program will expire in September.

    Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
  14. xenubarb Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    Nice! Thanks for doing this.
  15. anonymous1312 Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    Good letter BUT is it Ms. rather than Mr. Giffords?

    Wish I could do something but IANA. [I Am Not American]
  16. Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    gearing up the congressional rabble rabble machine
  17. Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    Of special note, please discuss how this law allowed for Scientology terrorist and weapons smuggler Artur Solomonyan into the country.

    Bad dude, glad the FBI caught him.

    Scientology library: “Artur Solomonyan”
  18. Ramona Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    Darn it, you're right!!! "GABBY GIFFORDS"!!! Her husband is an ASTRONAUT! I don't think she's a Scilon, though. Just uninformed.

    Please adjust your letters accordingly! Sorry about that!


  19. Nightwing Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    am not surprised that the scilons are trying these tactiks for there own use
  20. Anonymous Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    No. Artur Solomonyan came into the country on a student visa (which is limited in time and scope). He tried to work for the Church of Scientology since they promised to get him a visa that would allow him to stay longer. He didn't like the working conditions at the Church of Scientology and left staff. According to other accounts, he continued to disseminate Scientology, so that would make him a scio.

    But he did not come into the country with a scio-sponsored religious worker visa.

    Here's one account.
    The Church of Scientology holds out the potential of (otherwise hard to get) US visas as a big carrot to recruit for staff for peanuts wages. It's part of their Human Trafficking gig.

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  21. kitfisto Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    bump
  22. OTBT Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    The Wall Street Journal comments on the current state of the Nonimmigrant Religious Worker Visa program

    Buddhist Monk Faces Worldly Green-Card Matters - WSJ.com

  23. Anonymous Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    And how the hell do these people support themselves on a volunteer's wages?
    (I know that's an oxymoron, but it was intentional.)
  24. Anonymous Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    i.e. Sea Org employment
  25. OTBT Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    A Thai newspaper gives their view of the Wall Street Journal article:

    MediaWATCH: Stayput Monk Takes On US Law - Phuket Wan

  26. Anonymous Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    Oh, I get it. Read between the lines above to decipher the real scenario. (See also excerpt below.)

    • The guy gets a valid religious worker R-1 visa good for about 2-3 years, though renewable once for a total of 5 years.
    • He applies to extend his R-1 visa to the 5 year limit, but his original approved visa period expires before he hears back from USCIS.
    • He doesn't leave the country before his visa expires.
    • His visa expires.
    • He is now "out of status".
    • But he continues his religious "work", the same work which he planned on doing which qualified him for the original R-1 visa.
    • He later applies for a diff visa (to get a green card), but now he's been in the country illegally and working so he's denied all visas he applies for.
    • USCIS issues a deportation order.

    Sounds normal to me. What's the problem? He wants the USCIS to bend over backwards and issue him an exemption to all the same rules that everyone else has to follow?

  27. Anonymous Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    For Sea Org recruits, the Church of Scientology says the person applying for a religious worker visa will be a "volunteer". USCIS has accepted this model as appropriate "employment" for purposes of a religious worker R-1 visa. I can't imagine they would turn 180-degrees and say that that same work is okay as "not employed".

    Again... can't have cake and eat it, too.

    Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Scientology sure has figured out the ins and outs of USCIS regulations.
  28. Anonymous Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    Yup, good analysis.
  29. OTBT Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    Scilons just published an article in Rant Rave:

    Rave - Church of Scientology Recognitions


    / Edit - the Rant Rave article was pulled in less than 24 hours.

    The exact same claim as above can be found on this scientology web site Scientology Myths Wiki -Tax Exemption
  30. Anonymous Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years


    Volunteers can make a very good living.
    I'd cite the sister of Riverside County Supervisor Jeff Stone as an example.
    She's into six figures annually as a shill for scientology. Oh, plus an SUV and gas!
  31. Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    That's 404'd already! Shoulda copypasta'd the whole thing!
  32. OTBT Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    Huh, it was up for less than 24 hours before it was removed from Rant Rave server. The scilon article was long copy & paste of earlier recycled promo, proclaiming how scientology is legally declared a religion in umpteen countries.

    The only new bit I saw in the recycled article was that short section posted above, about scilon "ministers" and US immigration status.
  33. Uncle Bruce Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    Actually, there is still a good reason for you to write. If any of the sea org members being sent here are from your country you have every right to be interested.
  34. OTBT Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker Visa program for 5 years

    As you can see from the summary below, the Nonimmigrant Religious Worker Visa program is only a small part of the bill currently being debated.

    Employee Verification Amendment Act reintroduced in the House

  35. OTBT Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker Visa program for 5 years

    This just in, but no clear details yet on R-1 extension. There should be more information in the next day or so. See post above for more info about E-Verify program.

    DAN STEIN // STEIN REPORT 2000-2009® | Federation for American Immigration Reform

  36. ultrapoet Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    I seriously doubt that most congresscritters are going to understand 'gaming' as a verb the way you're applying it here.
  37. Anonymous Member

  38. Anonymous Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker Visa program for 5 years

    Nonimmigrant Religious Worker visa extension section of the bill is not even mentioned in the bill summary here

    Washington Labor & Employment Wire Employee Verification Amendment Act of 2009 (H.R. 2679)

    The official name of the bill and the short name of the bill are very different

    H.R.2679: Employee Verification Amendment Act of... OpenCongress

  39. Anonymous Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker Visa program for 5 years

    See the full bill text:
  40. parrotnut Member

    Re: Bill to extend Nonminister Religious Worker program for 5 years

    Haha hahaha hahaha..... yep, that`s about right!

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